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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 21, 2010 1:51:19 GMT -5
This has officially become Train's second career Top Ten hit after an 81% digital sales increase lifted the single 23-7 on the Billboard Hot 100 this chart week.
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At this point I think it would be most wise for Train to release the title track as a Triple A-only second single to tide over their core format audience, for this single will make any wide secondary release unwise well into mid-spring.
I would release "Save Me San Francisco" to Triple A now, then between April-June release either "Brick By Brick", "If It's Love" or "Parachute" as the second wide release (my guess is "If It's Love" will come next since it is closest to "Hey, Soul Sister" in terms of lyrical whimsicality and quirkiness) and then eventually release "This Ain't Goodbye" as the obligatory third single ballad.
Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by marv1978 on Jan 21, 2010 8:30:46 GMT -5
This has officially become Train's second career Top Ten hit after an 81% digital sales increase lifted the single 23-7 on the Billboard Hot 100 this chart week. * At this point I think it would be most wise for Train to release the title track as a Triple A-only second single to tide over their core format audience, for this single will make any wide secondary release unwise well into mid-spring. I would release "Save Me San Francisco" to Triple A now, then between April-June release either "Brick By Brick", "If It's Love" or "Parachute" as the second wide release (my guess is "If It's Love" will come next since it is closest to "Hey, Soul Sister" in terms of lyrical whimsicality and quirkiness) and then eventually release "This Ain't Goodbye" as the obligatory third single ballad. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus I agree but i think "Parachute" needs to 2nd...and the title track 3rd and next like u said on AAA
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Post by The Party Captain on Jan 21, 2010 13:17:52 GMT -5
Just saw the huge jump it had. Could it go up to #1?
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Post by The Party Captain on Jan 21, 2010 13:21:42 GMT -5
I think it is safe to say this is no doubt a comeback and career-reviving hit.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 21, 2010 14:30:56 GMT -5
Just saw the huge jump it had. Could it go up to #1? Rock singles have had a lot of trouble trying to get into the Top Five of the chart these days, so it's not impossible, but improbable in my view. If the digital sales keep steady or further increase, and airplay starts EXPLODING as soon as possible on the Mainstream Top 40 and AC, then it's feasible. But not even "Use Somebody", "I'm Yours" or "You Found Me" achieved the feat, so I think it's unlikely, although I do think it can go Top Five. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 21, 2010 14:34:12 GMT -5
I think it is safe to say this is no doubt a comeback and career-reviving hit. No arguing there. All that remains to be seen is if this help the album significantly or not. If it does, then I think they can potentially be more popular than they've ever been (even if the album doesn't go double-platinum like "Drops of Jupiter" did). If not, then it will be an indication it's the song that is enchanting listeners, not the band, and that the band's comeback was a fluke. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by No Brake$ on Jan 22, 2010 14:12:26 GMT -5
I really think this song is going to hit +600 next week on POP after it goes for adds.
I also think it will become a CHR #1 hit, and will be on the charts until the end of Summer.
It will be #1 on HOT AC until Rob gives them a run with "Give Me The Meltdown", which I also think will be a decent spring\summer hit.
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Post by The Party Captain on Jan 22, 2010 18:40:07 GMT -5
I have no doubt that this will reach #1 on Hot AC. I'm a little skeptical of it reaching #1 on CHR.
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Post by countryfan2002 on Jan 22, 2010 19:00:31 GMT -5
I don't know if this has already been said, but this song is very Jason Mraz-ish.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 22, 2010 19:21:16 GMT -5
I have no doubt that this will reach #1 on Hot AC. I'm a little skeptical of it reaching #1 on CHR. In my earlier point, I meant the Billboard Hot 100, not an airplay chart. It's not impossible, but improbable it will top the Billboard Hot 100 (only a few acts that can remotely be considered "rock" have done so this past decade, namely Coldplay, Nickelback, matchbox twenty, Maroon 5 and the Plain White T's, with even mammoth hits by Green Day, Kings of Leon, The Fray and Fall Out Boy falling short, mostly due to the CHR/Rhythmic & Urban bias as far as airplay is concerned). That said, it will undoubtedly top the Adult Top 40, I believe it has a very legible shot at topping the AC chart by early to mid summer (since it takes forever for singles to cross over there) and while I'm doubtful it will follow in the heels of "I'm Yours" to top the Mainstream Top 40 chart, I do think it will go Top Ten there. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Libra on Jan 25, 2010 10:43:35 GMT -5
All that remains to be seen is if this help the album significantly or not. If it does, then I think they can potentially be more popular than they've ever been (even if the album doesn't go double-platinum like "Drops of Jupiter" did). If not, then it will be an indication it's the song that is enchanting listeners, not the band, and that the band's comeback was a fluke. Thing is, these guys have never managed to get more than one multiple-format hit per album. Their follow-up releases have tended to falter outside of HAC/AAA.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 25, 2010 13:13:28 GMT -5
All that remains to be seen is if this help the album significantly or not. If it does, then I think they can potentially be more popular than they've ever been (even if the album doesn't go double-platinum like "Drops of Jupiter" did). If not, then it will be an indication it's the song that is enchanting listeners, not the band, and that the band's comeback was a fluke. Thing is, these guys have never managed to get more than one multiple-format hit per album. Their follow-up releases have tended to falter outside of HAC/AAA. As true as that is, they nonetheless were able to sell Platinum-certified albums off of one hit per album. The early signs of this album's turnaround potential are promising. It soared 114-74 on the Billboard 200 the week the single reached the Top Ten. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by The Party Captain on Jan 25, 2010 20:02:05 GMT -5
Thing is, these guys have never managed to get more than one multiple-format hit per album. Their follow-up releases have tended to falter outside of HAC/AAA. As true as that is, they nonetheless were able to sell Platinum-certified albums off of one hit per album. The early signs of this album's turnaround potential are promising. It soared 114-74 on the Billboard 200 the week the single reached the Top Ten. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus We both know Platinum is hard to come by these days. I think the album can go gold now.
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Post by MostInterestingManInTheWorld on Feb 4, 2010 8:42:02 GMT -5
#1 Hot AC!
2 1 TRAIN Hey, Soul Sister Columbia 2009 4153 3866 287 101 41.1 38.6 +2.5
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Post by sadchild on Feb 11, 2010 7:07:31 GMT -5
I've been a casual fan of Train for some time, aware of their enjoyable radio songs like "Meet Virginia", "Calling All Angels" and "Drops Of Jupiter". But this song unfortunately misses the mark. By a long shot. my review of the song is here: bit.ly/cKIdo1
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 11, 2010 11:54:34 GMT -5
I've been a casual fan of Train for some time, aware of their enjoyable radio songs like "Meet Virginia", "Calling All Angels" and "Drops Of Jupiter". But this song unfortunately misses the mark. By a long shot. my review of the song is here: bit.ly/cKIdo1Absolutely agree with your review! ;) Alas..........this somehow became a major hit! Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by marv1978 on Feb 11, 2010 18:28:37 GMT -5
I've been a casual fan of Train for some time, aware of their enjoyable radio songs like "Meet Virginia", "Calling All Angels" and "Drops Of Jupiter". But this song unfortunately misses the mark. By a long shot. my review of the song is here: bit.ly/cKIdo1Absolutely agree with your review! ;) Alas..........this somehow became a major hit! Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus I quite like this refreshing catchy song. and i guess alot of people do it's 1 and top 40 on chr which is almost impossible if your core hot ac these days,but i can't believe my 52 year old mom likes it and sings along to it and doesn't think so deeply into the lyrical content as some do,some songs are for the hooks,some for the writing,some for both...this one was just catchy!
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 11, 2010 20:44:34 GMT -5
Absolutely agree with your review! ;) Alas..........this somehow became a major hit! Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus I quite like this refreshing catchy song. and i guess alot of people do it's 1 and top 40 on chr which is almost impossible if your core hot ac these days,but i can't believe my 52 year old mom likes it and sings along to it and doesn't think so deeply into the lyrical content as some do,some songs are for the hooks,some for the writing,some for both...this one was just catchy! As are dozens of other singles here that somehow never became hits here that also happened to have superior lyrics! ;) Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Gravity. on Feb 11, 2010 22:44:10 GMT -5
I liked this for a while, now it's kind of grating.
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Post by The Party Captain on Feb 11, 2010 23:00:14 GMT -5
I hope it goes #1!!!
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Post by MostInterestingManInTheWorld on Feb 11, 2010 23:02:03 GMT -5
Well it has already, at least on Hot AC. I'm of the opposite opinion of some... at first it sounded like another Train song, but it has really grown on me over time.
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Post by The Party Captain on Mar 8, 2010 18:59:51 GMT -5
Jumped to #3 on Billboard Hot 100.
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Post by zarasthustra on Apr 1, 2010 23:11:19 GMT -5
I've been a casual fan of Train for some time, aware of their enjoyable radio songs like "Meet Virginia", "Calling All Angels" and "Drops Of Jupiter". But this song unfortunately misses the mark. By a long shot. my review of the song is here: bit.ly/cKIdo1 Ha Ha Ha Ha .. you just became one of my favorite people in the world!! Is it embarrassing to speak with such authority about things you know so little about?? I always wondered about that but I was never fortunate enough to be so ensconced in my own ignorance that I could feel comfortable making that kind of statement but bully for you!!
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Post by sadchild on Apr 2, 2010 7:35:33 GMT -5
what specifically do i know so little about? please explain my ignorance.
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Post by zarasthustra on Apr 2, 2010 9:40:59 GMT -5
what specifically do i know so little about? please explain my ignorance. Hey Simple... I can be a self absorbed prick at times.. that is a simple fact and my albatros... I apologize for offending you. I just found it amusing that this is by far Train's biggest hit and your assessment of it was that it "misses the mark by a long shot".. to each his own I guess.. glad you share my enjoyment of their other stuff... I wish you peace love and happiness!
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Post by sadchild on Apr 2, 2010 13:15:44 GMT -5
i commend train for scoring such a big hit. i wish i could like it. but alas, i often have a different opinion than the mainstream. which is why i'm shocked that BoB's "Nothin' On You" is doing so well, because i like that song a lot too.
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Post by zarasthustra on Apr 2, 2010 13:24:24 GMT -5
i commend train for scoring such a big hit. i wish i could like it. but alas, i often have a different opinion than the mainstream. which is why i'm shocked that BoB's "Nothin' On You" is doing so well, because i like that song a lot too. I like that song as well and I share your feeling of enjoyment that comes from its mainstream acceptance and appeal!
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Post by zarasthustra on Apr 2, 2010 13:33:27 GMT -5
Looking forward to hearing something new from these guys. They sort of missed the mark with their last album, which was unfortunate because I thought the song "Cab" was pretty good. Then lead singer Pat Monahan went ahead with a solo career. Of course, Meet Virginia, Drops of Jupiter and Calling All Angels are their standout hits thus far. Hopefully they can get something decent out of this next album. I happen to think "For Me, It's You" is, arguably, their best album to date (only their self-titled debut rivaling it in quality). In my opinion, both "Drops Of Jupiter" and "My Private Nation" were too overproduced and, aside from some moments on both records, felt lyrically bland on the former (aside from the title track and "Mississippi") and lyrically shallow on the latter (aside from "When I Look To The Sky" and "Lincoln Avenue"). With "For Me, It's You", however, you could tell a lot was genuinely on Monahan's mind at the time, from a painful divorce to the death of a close friend to watching a couple band members leave. Thus, he has many of the most thoughtful lyrics he's ever written all across the record (especially on "All I Ever Wanted", "Skyscraper" and "Explanation") while, musically, Train felt a lot more organic, a lot more grounded, where they didn't fully abandon the production gloss but this time around didn't allow it to dominate the music itself, where on tracks like "Am I Reaching You Now?" a nice rootsy sound is maintained and on other tracks like "I'm Not Waiting In Line" and the title track you hear great organ pipes and shimmering acoustic guitars. It's sad that that album fell between the cracks and was, ultimately, a commercial disaster. :'( Sincerely, Noah Eaton Noah, even in a utopian world, I couldn't agree with anything you have written more than I do. You have capsulized the crux of the enigma that is Train so eloquently. If you were a woman I would propose to you immediately ;) Thank you for this post!
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Post by singingsparrow on Apr 2, 2010 15:16:38 GMT -5
I happen to think "For Me, It's You" is, arguably, their best album to date (only their self-titled debut rivaling it in quality). In my opinion, both "Drops Of Jupiter" and "My Private Nation" were too overproduced and, aside from some moments on both records, felt lyrically bland on the former (aside from the title track and "Mississippi") and lyrically shallow on the latter (aside from "When I Look To The Sky" and "Lincoln Avenue"). With "For Me, It's You", however, you could tell a lot was genuinely on Monahan's mind at the time, from a painful divorce to the death of a close friend to watching a couple band members leave. Thus, he has many of the most thoughtful lyrics he's ever written all across the record (especially on "All I Ever Wanted", "Skyscraper" and "Explanation") while, musically, Train felt a lot more organic, a lot more grounded, where they didn't fully abandon the production gloss but this time around didn't allow it to dominate the music itself, where on tracks like "Am I Reaching You Now?" a nice rootsy sound is maintained and on other tracks like "I'm Not Waiting In Line" and the title track you hear great organ pipes and shimmering acoustic guitars. It's sad that that album fell between the cracks and was, ultimately, a commercial disaster. :'( Sincerely, Noah Eaton Noah, even in a utopian world, I couldn't agree with anything you have written more than I do. You have capsulized the crux of the enigma that is Train so eloquently. If you were a woman I would propose to you immediately ;) Thank you for this post! ;) For the record, I like "Save Me, San Francisco" overall, but it's inferior to "For Me, It's You" in my opinion. I'd rank the album third among their five releases to date, only behind "For Me, It's You" and their self-titled debut. Thankfully "Hey, Soul Sister" is the low point on the album (at least in my view, given it is unmistakably their biggest hit to date). The title track is a stand-out and among their best recordings to date with the descriptive, cultural lyrics and throwback organic 70's rock production, along with the gently lilting acoustic paean "Marry Me" and the almost-R&B leaning "Breakfast In Bed". "You Already Know" also has a unique epic arena-rock production to it that makes it stand out in the album's middle (even though the lyrics are lame at moments, like the double-O 7 reference). "Brick By Brick" is also above-average I believe. Their alleged next single, "If It's Love", is actually my second least-favorite song on the album just because it sounds overproduced (it will surely appeal to almost everyone who flocked to "Hey, Soul Sister" regardless) and is lyrically lazy (seriously, what's with all these pop-cultural references?) but it's surely more tolerable than "Hey, Soul Sister" has been. "Parachute" is alright in that I appreciate the guitars aren't toned down on this melodic anthem, but it just sounds interchangeable with previous recordings of theirs like "Get Out" and "Respect". "This Ain't Goodbye" would be their most obvious attempt at a hit ballad, and though pleasant it's nothing remarkable. And "Words" is enjoyable but lacks staying power to me. All in all, it's a decent album and fits hand-in-glove with the rest of their catalog. I'd love to see the title track and "Marry Me" especially become staples in their set-lists from here on out. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by The Party Captain on Apr 2, 2010 17:41:32 GMT -5
I've been a casual fan of Train for some time, aware of their enjoyable radio songs like "Meet Virginia", "Calling All Angels" and "Drops Of Jupiter". But this song unfortunately misses the mark. By a long shot. my review of the song is here: bit.ly/cKIdo1I dislike your review much like I dislike most reviews. Pop music is not groundbreaking. I can name about 5 other songs with the same chord progression. Over the years, I have heard thousands of songs that convey the same theme of affection this song has. We have all heard a ukelele before. If I was a musician, I would take my music to a random person on the street and ask them what they think. Music critics are spoiled in the very idea that they have authority over art. What makes a person a guard of free expression? In the end all that matters is this: "Does it tickle your fancy or not?" If you don't like the song despite its quirky, singalong, and pleasant nature, then whoop dee doo. Buy a soda instead. Reminds me of a poem by Walt Whitman. When I heard the learn’d astronomer; When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me; When I was shown the charts and the diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them; When I, sitting, heard the astronomer, where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room, How soon, unaccountable, I became tired and sick; Till rising and gliding out, I wander’d off by myself, In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time, Look’d up in perfect silence at the stars.
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