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Post by NORTHCOAST on Aug 25, 2009 19:51:30 GMT -5
I read on Rob's board that a station in NYC has started to play Someday, his next single. I'm not happy with the choice. In fact, I usually skip the song when I play the CD. Just kind of vanilla. Not sure what the label is thinking by releasing this after Her Diamonds. Maybe they're zeroing in on the soccer Moms and foregoing Pop altogether. The song is being used on commercials for The Biggest Loser. Here's the commercial: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2tK8XDrxIs
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Post by Adam (UTR) on Aug 25, 2009 20:42:13 GMT -5
I was fairly sure this would be the second single. I think it kind of serves as a Part 2 to "These Hard Times", which was also a second single (from Exile On Mainstream, of course.) It's just radio-ready, and it can definitely be a Hot AC and AC smash.
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Post by singingsparrow on Aug 25, 2009 21:35:09 GMT -5
I think the song's alright, but that's not necessarily a compliment when sized up to an excellent album.
I think singles, as much as possible, ought to try and showcase either an artist's maturity or growth musically and/or lyrically after they've gotten to the point where they can't go wrong with what they release due to an impressive string of previous successes and achievements.
"Someday", unfortunately, doesn't reveal anything new about Rob Thomas. Lyrically it has more platitudes than any other Rob Thomas or matchbox twenty single I can recall, which is surprising given Rob Thomas has always had a knack at being one of popular music's most consistently emotionally-committed singers and songwriters without compulsively grasping at cliches or Hallmark-card style schmaltziness. "Someday", on paper, just looks like something any MOR cookie-cutter act could write.
In two other threads in this forum, a few were baffled over why I thought "Give Me The Meltdown" would underperform if released as as a single.............because the lyrics are all over the place and though there is undeniably a catchy beat to it, it's also that kind of beat that people will like for three months but then move on from not long after that. Despite that, I kind of wish something like "Give Me The Meltdown" was released instead of this, just for a change of pace and to show a side of Rob Thomas that isn't quite so pensive and knows how to cut loose just as well as any artist.
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Post by Rumors on Aug 26, 2009 5:57:44 GMT -5
I'm not happy with this as the second single either but I just realized something yesterday so here's my theory. I pulled out the CD cover over the weekend and Matt Serletic has a co-write on this song. He has produced everything Rob has done. So my theory is that Rob HAS to release one of the songs Matt has a co-write on. Again, just my hunch but there's always these types of arrangements on albums. Similar to if Kelly Clarkson has/had to release a song as a single that Ryan Tedder co-wrote, etc. Common practice.
Having said that, I think the way they worked Someday into the add for The Biggest Loser was very well done. It actually made me appreciate the song more.
It's a good song but I just don't see it propelling album sales. Sales aren't that great in the US. Cradlesong has sold about 238,000 in 7 weeks. That's still less than STB sold in its first week. It's more than just an overall decline in album sales over the past 4 years. Very little TV or media coverage is partly it. I doubt Atlantic Records will get Rob an SNL performance like they did with label mate Jason Mraz.
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Post by marv1978 on Aug 26, 2009 6:11:50 GMT -5
I'm not happy with this as the second single either but I just realized something yesterday so here's my theory. I pulled out the CD cover over the weekend and Matt Serletic has a co-write on this song. He has produced everything Rob has done. So my theory is that Rob HAS to release one of the songs Matt has a co-write on. Again, just my hunch but there's always these types of arrangements on albums. Similar to if Kelly Clarkson has/had to release a song as a single that Ryan Tedder co-wrote, etc. Common practice. Having said that, I think the way they worked Someday into the add for The Biggest Loser was very well done. It actually made me appreciate the song more. It's a good song but I just don't see it propelling album sales. Sales aren't that great in the US. Cradlesong has sold about 238,000 in 7 weeks. That's still less than STB sold in its first week. It's more than just an overall decline in album sales over the past 4 years. Very little TV or media coverage is partly it. I doubt Atlantic Records will get Rob an SNL performance like they did with label mate Jason Mraz. I wanted "Meltdown" but "Someday" works and is a smash too! I added it this week and i hear "Meltdown" & "Mockingbird" will be future singles so i think the cd will eventually go between gold and gor a platinum,maybe 700,000. to listen to The Torch which is Top 40 without the hip hop and teen disney stuff. We're on shoutcat as the torch,www.myspace.com/torch_radio and torchradio.webs.com
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Post by Gravity. on Aug 26, 2009 16:59:28 GMT -5
I actually really like this song, I'm cleary in the minority.
I want Give Me the Meltdown or Gasoline next!
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Post by No Brake$ on Sept 10, 2009 9:32:56 GMT -5
I'm really wondering if this can tank so badly that people will never even notice it was released. I mean, all of his singles that were released alonmg with Matchbox Twenty have made sense, but this is just...NO.
Well, only one release didn't make sense, off of "More Than You Think You Are", I still think they should have released, "All I Need", or especially, "The Difference" instead of Downfall, which was an excellent song, just not for the radio.
And yes, like 95% of the RT listening world, release Meltdown and then Gasoline or Snowblind.
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Post by Rumors on Sept 12, 2009 8:56:06 GMT -5
I would hate to see any Rob single tank on radio even if I don't really think its the best choice. Hopefully, it will be a respectable hit and keep the album in the top 150 or so through the holidays. Then we'll see if they release a third and maybe fourth single next year. If album sales stay below 500,000, I'm not sure a third single is a done deal. On the bright side, it looks like the video for Someday will be FUN. I think that's a good thing after the dark video for Her Diamonds. Hopefully, Rob is actually in this video more than he was for Her Diamonds. He has tweeted some pictures of the video shoot and many fanclub members were selected as extras! Cool!
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Post by Rumors on Sept 12, 2009 9:08:50 GMT -5
80 THOMAS*ROB CRADLESONG 6,106 -17 7,352 261,024 10th chart week
And just for comparison purposes Daughtry whose album has been out one less week than Rob's and Kelly Clarkson who has been out maybe 7-8 weeks longer than Rob's and has had two very big pop/airplay hit singles. Daughtry is still benefitting from his huge first album as well as he should be and Clarkson is probably settling into a very nice selling area for her after her massive second album.
74 CLARKSON*KELLY ALL I EVER WANTED 6,790 3 6,616 693,582 Now on her third single
20 DAUGHTRY LEAVE THIS TOWN 26,348 -19 32,692 606,224 still on first single - probably will easily reach 2.5-3 million in total US sales
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Post by Rumors on Sept 12, 2009 9:57:06 GMT -5
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Post by Rumors on Sept 13, 2009 10:42:15 GMT -5
128 spins over the past 7 days on HotAC. 11 spins on AAA. I don't think this is a AAA song. I'm surprised that Her Diamonds did as well as it did on that format. The 12 stations that added it must have played it quite a bit.
Even though people aren't crazy about this as the next single where do you think it will peak on HotAC? What's out this fall?
Bon Jovi (I don't like their new single at all) Kelly (good song that will probably reach 1-3) Mayer (haven't heard this one yet) Daughtry (I expect he'll get his second single out before the holidays are over) Pink (fourth single - haven't heard this one yet either) Uncle Kracker (actually a nice song from him that could easily peak 5-6) Train (a better sound for the band but I don't really like it much - at least its not cheesy like Pat's solo stuff - never have liked this guys lyrics - just not my thing; should go top 10)
Anything else on the horizon for the format? Mraz and Colbie (love her single and expect top 5-6 for it). I haven't heard Mraz but I'm not real sure he's a stable yet on the format. He's selling incredibly well but I actually think he is more AAA than HotAC and he's selling more to that market (college kids, etc.). He has had a tremendous hit single which I did like but didn't expect the results he got for it. I didn't think it was all that.
So Rob and Someday....I'll go with a #3 peak.
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Post by erzo01 on Sept 13, 2009 23:02:12 GMT -5
Top 50 in Hot AC!
59 50 ROB THOMAS Someday 111 68 43 0.776
And this goes for adds tomorrow (14th September).
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Post by erzo01 on Sept 18, 2009 7:59:17 GMT -5
Top 40!
55 40 ROB THOMAS Someday 247 88 159 1.372
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Post by MostInterestingManInTheWorld on Sept 18, 2009 8:20:12 GMT -5
Top 40! 55 40 ROB THOMAS Someday 247 88 159 1.372 This will probably go to #3 or so HAC - I have to say meh, however.
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Post by No Brake$ on Sept 18, 2009 10:43:53 GMT -5
Off to a great start just because it's Rob. It's at about +175 on only 38 stations.
I'm pretty sure even "Downfall" by M20 had an amazing start too. I'm really thinking this might do quite well even though I really get bored with this song.
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Post by erzo01 on Sept 21, 2009 7:36:44 GMT -5
Top 30 in Hot AC!
48 30 ROB THOMAS Someday 429 127 302 2.211
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Sept 21, 2009 12:02:20 GMT -5
Still wonderiing the back story of why this song was chosen as a single. It's the only song on the record that I regularly SKIP. Just do not understand their thinking on this. Someone mentioned that the song was co-written by Matt Serletic (I don't have the CD in front of me to confirm this). But I wonder if Rob is throwing his buddy a bone with this one. Looking forward to see the video in a few weeks though.
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Post by Rumors on Sept 21, 2009 16:59:02 GMT -5
Still wonderiing the back story of why this song was chosen as a single. It's the only song on the record that I regularly SKIP. Just do not understand their thinking on this. Someone mentioned that the song was co-written by Matt Serletic (I don't have the CD in front of me to confirm this). But I wonder if Rob is throwing his buddy a bone with this one. Looking forward to see the video in a few weeks though. Matt does have a co-write on Someday and that was my theory. LOL! The song has grown on me. After listening to the album a lot, I still love it but there probably aren't any slam dunk mega hits on it. Someday is probably as good a single release as there will be on the album.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Sept 22, 2009 6:28:05 GMT -5
My radio station played this in a challenge against a new Michael Buble song. Buble's song won. :(
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Post by Rumors on Sept 25, 2009 18:43:11 GMT -5
I have to say that this song is off to a stronger start on HotAC than I thought it would get.
+481 spins and already on 61 of the 93 stations (2 stations never added Her Diamonds).
Video premieres 9/29 on VH1.
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 26, 2009 19:52:30 GMT -5
Still wonderiing the back story of why this song was chosen as a single. It's the only song on the record that I regularly SKIP. Just do not understand their thinking on this. Someone mentioned that the song was co-written by Matt Serletic (I don't have the CD in front of me to confirm this). But I wonder if Rob is throwing his buddy a bone with this one. Looking forward to see the video in a few weeks though. Though it's my least favorite single of his to date, I nonetheless believe it makes complete sense why this was released...............it simply has more commercial potential than any other track on the album. It's Hallmark Card cliche-heavy and as middle of the road as he's ever gotten (the main reason why it's my least favorite Rob Thomas single in that Thomas knows how to convey incredible emotion while also showing a sense of edge and personality to the lyrics, which he doesn't do here and rather relies on cliches by the book) but both those qualities prove to sell singles. Add Rob Thomas' immense name recognition, and this is a cut tailor-made, and destined, for the airwaves compared to everything else on the album. "Give Me The Meltdown" may be fun-sounding and edgy, but the lyrics just don't sink in and it doesn't convey that level of emotion that has delivered Rob Thomas hit by hit. "Fire On The Mountain" may be as ambitious and epic as Thomas has ever gotten, but that just doesn't translate as radio success these days especially given the track's dark themes. And the title track is a home run in terms of how Thomas both gradually augments the emotion and illustrates lyrically getting by through life and holding true to what really matters rather than moving to Hollywood and broader, more superficial aims, but it needs more immediacy to be a potential single I believe. "Someday" may be plagued with platitudes and "sameness" musically, but it still doesn't change the fact this track just sounds more radio-ready than every other track on "cradlesong" (and I say that agreeing "Snowblind" also sounds like a hit, with "Gasoline" and "Mockingbird" also certainly single candidates) Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Gravity. on Sept 26, 2009 19:54:35 GMT -5
I know that you don't like Give Me the Meltdown, Lisping, but I think that it'd be a good single. I want Gasoline, Meltdown, or even Still Ain't Over You next.
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 26, 2009 20:10:34 GMT -5
I know that you don't like Give Me the Meltdown, Lisping, but I think that it'd be a good single. I want Gasoline, Meltdown, or even Still Ain't Over You next. Actually, I really like "Give Me The Meltdown", and my past posts will confirm that (I've said I appreciate the song for being more left-field and giving his catalog more edge). I just simply believe it isn't a strong single candidate for reasons I stated before, just as I stated more briefly why I think "Fire On The Mountain and the title track (both songs that have gotten wide acclaim among fans) would make weak singles too despite being great album tracks. ;) Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Sept 26, 2009 21:56:16 GMT -5
Someone posted on Rob's board that they just recently asked him if Give Me the Meltdown would be a single. He said it was a distinct possibility. That or Mockingbird. :) I love both. But I can't help singing "still that fucking bird won't sing" for some reason. Probably cuz I can hear Rob singing it that way cuz he's got such a potty mouth.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Sept 30, 2009 11:33:36 GMT -5
My Hot AC station added this yesterday. :) The DJ's talked about it after they played it and all agreed that they loved it. The one said he wasn't a big fan of Rob Thomas but he loved the piano on this and really liked the song. The other DJ said he really liked it too and that Rob was a hit machine. :)
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Sept 30, 2009 11:51:54 GMT -5
Oh, and the video is out today. Haven't seen it yet. What's everyone's opinion of it??
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Oct 1, 2009 20:26:23 GMT -5
Here's the video. I really like it. Even made me kind of misty. I think it really captures the real ROB. His caring and fun loving nature. He looks to be having a really good time. I read on his board that a bunch of his fan club members are extras in the video. www.aceshowbiz.com/video/download/00010236/
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Post by erzo01 on Oct 3, 2009 10:55:38 GMT -5
Top 20 in Hot AC!
22 20 ROB THOMAS Someday 1255 799 456 5.294
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Oct 3, 2009 11:39:48 GMT -5
I read that Rob was on VH1's Top 20 Videos this morning for an interview and the premiere of the Someday video. Gonna have to DVR tomorrow morning's rerun.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Oct 5, 2009 20:29:28 GMT -5
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