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Post by No Brake$ on Jan 23, 2010 11:24:01 GMT -5
This will definitely get a week at #1.
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Post by Rumors on Jan 23, 2010 12:12:08 GMT -5
Wow, didn't really see this coming...shot at #1. OT - check out Rob's tweets. Someone just asked him if Meltdown was the next US single. From Rob...if there is another single it will probably be Mockingbird. It was just released in Australia. So I guess our guesses were all wrong about Meltdown being single #3. twitter.com/thisisrobthomas
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jan 23, 2010 12:34:41 GMT -5
Wow, didn't really see this coming...shot at #1. OT - check out Rob's tweets. Someone just asked him if Meltdown was the next US single. From Rob...if there is another single it will probably be Mockingbird. It was just released in Australia. So I guess our guesses were all wrong about Meltdown being single #3. twitter.com/thisisrobthomasOOOOHHH! That is interesting. Had hoped for Meltdown and it being a huge hit so they could then release Mockingbird. Love it! And as I sing along I wonder if on tour Rob ever changed the words to "still that fucking bird won't sing". Sounds like something he would do. Haha.
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Post by marv1978 on Jan 23, 2010 12:35:24 GMT -5
Wow, didn't really see this coming...shot at #1. OT - check out Rob's tweets. Someone just asked him if Meltdown was the next US single. From Rob...if there is another single it will probably be Mockingbird. It was just released in Australia. So I guess our guesses were all wrong about Meltdown being single #3. twitter.com/thisisrobthomasbut "meltdown" was #3 in australia and it propelled sales alot,i'm all for "mockingbird" but if meltdown doesn't get released in us i have a feeling stations like kstz and wplj are gonna spin it anyway as i already am,it's one of the catchiest song ever imo lol! After @ back to back #1s since someday is about to be #1 ,the guy should get 4 singles come on,U2 got 3-4 and none even go top 20 hardly lol,i miss the 80s logic of singles :(
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Post by Rumors on Jan 23, 2010 13:36:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about Rob's comment. Mockingbird is my favorite song on the album and one of my favorite song from him period. There's just something about the song that I love. However, I was kind of hoping for a change up on the next single and maybe releasing something that had a chance of going top 20 on pop. The label must have just wrote off pop radio from this album. And Rob said "if there is another single" so I'm not sure the label thinks the album's sales warrant a third single. Too bad.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 24, 2010 0:07:35 GMT -5
"Mockingbird" is more radio-friendly than "Give Me The Meltdown".
From a commercial standpoint, this move makes sense, though from an artistic standpoint it would have been fun to see Thomas release a more funky, rock-induced, nonsensical ditty.
As a third single, though, "Mockingbird" makes more sense. I'm still convinced "Give Me The Meltdown" would be his lowest solo charting single to date on Hot AC if it were released.
Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 24, 2010 0:10:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about Rob's comment. Mockingbird is my favorite song on the album and one of my favorite song from him period. There's just something about the song that I love. However, I was kind of hoping for a change up on the next single and maybe releasing something that had a chance of going top 20 on pop. The label must have just wrote off pop radio from this album. And Rob said "if there is another single" so I'm not sure the label thinks the album's sales warrant a third single. Too bad. On the other hand, though, it would feel simply bizarre to follow up what is looking likely to be two #1 singles with nothing. Going two-for-two on singles this era, I feel, automatically warrants a third release. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Rumors on Jan 24, 2010 11:28:38 GMT -5
On the other hand, though, it would feel simply bizarre to follow up what is looking likely to be two #1 singles with nothing. Going two-for-two on singles this era, I feel, automatically warrants a third release. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus I like your way of thinking.
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Post by wavetunes on Jan 24, 2010 12:55:05 GMT -5
I really don't understand what do they have against Meltdown. haha. If there isn't another single, that means his label gave up on the album. Stupid labels... In other good news, Someday reached #1 today!!! 3 1 ROB THOMAS Someday 3999 3931 68
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 25, 2010 0:20:34 GMT -5
I really don't understand what do they have against Meltdown. haha. If there isn't another single, that means his label gave up on the album. Stupid labels... In other good news, Someday reached #1 today!!! 3 1 ROB THOMAS Someday 3999 3931 68 Given how much respect Thomas has in both the Nashville and New York songwriting communities, and his epic resume both in terms of successful hits, songwriting credits and production, I can't see why he couldn't take marketing of his and his associates' material in his own hands. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Rumors on Jan 26, 2010 5:52:20 GMT -5
Per HotAC guru...
Other Notes: Rob Thomas earns his fourth #1 hit apart from Matchbox Twenty this week. He had 4 with MB20. His 8 total number ones continues to keep him the act with the most number ones.
What are his 4 number ones?
LNM ETS? Her Diamonds Someday
Plus Smooth? Or is Smooth #4 and ETS didn't reach #1?
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Post by Rumors on Jan 26, 2010 6:03:51 GMT -5
Someone posted last week's numbers. 149 THOMAS*ROB CRADLESONG 3,708 -16 4,426 370,592 In all honesty, those sales probably don't warrant a third single from the label's standpoint. So IF they are maybe going to go with a third single probably to HotAC and AC, then I can see the logic for Mockingbird. It's such a great song I hope it does get a radio release. But then again, there have been a lot of great MB20 songs that weren't singles.
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Jan 26, 2010 8:32:22 GMT -5
Per HotAC guru... Other Notes: Rob Thomas earns his fourth #1 hit apart from Matchbox Twenty this week. He had 4 with MB20. His 8 total number ones continues to keep him the act with the most number ones. What are his 4 number ones? LNM ETS? Her Diamonds Someday Plus Smooth? Or is Smooth #4 and ETS didn't reach #1? I give credit to Rob for "Smooth", so that's the 4th #1. ETS peaked at #2.
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Post by marv1978 on Jan 26, 2010 8:39:51 GMT -5
Per HotAC guru... Other Notes: Rob Thomas earns his fourth #1 hit apart from Matchbox Twenty this week. He had 4 with MB20. His 8 total number ones continues to keep him the act with the most number ones. What are his 4 number ones? LNM ETS? Her Diamonds Someday Plus Smooth? Or is Smooth #4 and ETS didn't reach #1? I give credit to Rob for "Smooth", so that's the 4th #1. ETS peaked at #2. I think he deserves a 3rd single because of 2 #1 hits and he is Rob Thomas a man who is well respected by his label and plus with all the downloading these days,i don't think labels care just about cd sales,it's more itunes and single sales, and we can't forget how easy it is to just get the whole cd for free or any torrent site or peer to peer. but anyways i may be wrong but i could've swore "This Is How A Heart Breaks" reached #1 for a week,now i am sure i heard it on Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 hot ac edition...
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jan 26, 2010 12:52:41 GMT -5
I'm wondering if the label just doesn't think Pop stations will give Rob the time of day so they have decided to focus on Hot AC and forget Pop. Do labels communicate with radio stations to see in advance if they'd spin a single? I still think Meltdown could be a big hit though! Wish it had been the #2 single. Glad that Someday hit #1, but just have never been a big fan of the song.
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Post by wavetunes on Jan 26, 2010 13:02:38 GMT -5
Given how much respect Thomas has in both the Nashville and New York songwriting communities, and his epic resume both in terms of successful hits, songwriting credits and production, I can't see why he couldn't take marketing of his and his associates' material in his own hands. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus I don't think he has a choice. He's with a major label and they pretty much control all the marketing aspects of an album. The thing, though, is that I don't think he costs the label too much to make albums. So they shouldn't complain about album sales. Plus, he's giving them #1 hits on HAC. Anyway, I don't think Her Diamonds and Someday are representative of that album. A right 3rd single could very much help with the sales.
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Post by wavetunes on Jan 26, 2010 13:09:32 GMT -5
I'm wondering if the label just doesn't think Pop stations will give Rob the time of day so they have decided to focus on Hot AC and forget Pop. Do labels communicate with radio stations to see in advance if they'd spin a single? I still think Meltdown could be a big hit though! Wish it had been the #2 single. Glad that Someday hit #1, but just have never been a big fan of the song. Yep, I agree that Meltdown could be a decent hit on pop. Why wouldn't pop stations play Rob? Her Diamonds peaked at #23, I think.
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Post by No Brake$ on Jan 26, 2010 14:29:04 GMT -5
I still wouldn't be shocked if Give Me The Meltdown becomes an unreleased hit.
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Post by Rumors on Jan 26, 2010 17:23:57 GMT -5
I give credit to Rob for "Smooth", so that's the 4th #1. ETS peaked at #2.[/quote] Thanks. As big a fan as I am, I don't write this type of stuff down. I should but I don't. I didn't think ETS hit #1 but I wasn't sure.
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Post by Rumors on Jan 26, 2010 17:34:03 GMT -5
Well, this is just an "out there" thought on "Meltdown." Rob has recorded two songs with INXS and one cover with Santana. I think both albums are coming out in 2010. Rob is performing with Santana at Clive Davis' grammy party on Saturday. He just tweeted that it will be their cover song that they perform and not "Smooth." Could it be possible that one or both will be released as singles in 2010 and the decision has just been made to put this album to rest? We are also expecting a new MB20 album at the end of the year or beginning of next year. Rob's a prolific writer. This album just didn't connect with non-Rob fans (due mainly to marginal pop airplay - people don't buy what they don't hear). Just call it a good album...made some money for the label and Rob...lets just move forward.
SO MAYBE go ahead and let your very friendly Rob HotAC and AC stations add "Mockingbird" as they turn down the spins on "Someday." I wouldn't think this would take a lot of radio promo money and without a video it could probably be done pretty cheaply.
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Post by Rumors on Jan 26, 2010 17:36:22 GMT -5
I'm wondering if the label just doesn't think Pop stations will give Rob the time of day so they have decided to focus on Hot AC and forget Pop. Do labels communicate with radio stations to see in advance if they'd spin a single? I still think Meltdown could be a big hit though! Wish it had been the #2 single. Glad that Someday hit #1, but just have never been a big fan of the song. I think radio PDs give the labels a lot of feedback on what they will play and what songs will work with their listeners. It may not be a guartanee of success but they have to communicate. Look no farther than Adam Lambert - first single was DOA and the label quickly went to work on another song that a few prominient pop stations played right off the bat. There is definitely a give and take with the big stations and the labels. So maybe the POP stations that Atlantic Records works with didn't hear anything they were going to put into high rotation or play at all (outside the Cumulus pop stations). So Atlantic may not have spent any money on pop radio promo this time around. Other than LNM there wasn't a lot of pop support on his first album either. Unfortunately, age will now become a factor. Rob will be 38 next month. The pop charts don't include too many late 30 performers. Even Jay-Z has to put a younger artist on a song to get pop play.
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Post by Rumors on Jan 26, 2010 18:08:09 GMT -5
Northcoast - I just came across this post in another artist's thread. It's about Decca Records but check out what the label guy says about working with radio. I think that pretty much answers your question. You mentioned the partnerships and artists that Decca has chosen to work with, which seems to present a common thread. What is the A&R philosophy of the label? Number One is quality music and quality artists. Number Two, we want artists that can tour and help us get out there and work the marketplace. But it’s the quality music we’re after – quality Adult music. The mission statement of the label is to develop an image as the premier Adult music label in the business. We already had that with the Classical division and the Broadway division, which has fantastic soundtracks we put out and incredible Jazz that we’re starting to redevelop. Along with that comes the Popular music component which is Paula Cole, Mark Cohn, Boyz II Men and Paul Anka’s 50-year career retrospective, which is coming at the end of August. You mentioned some names that have certainly been important in the Triple A world and the Pop world. Talk about the significance of the artists you’ve signed and what they bring to the label that’s going to help you brand it at radio. First of all, those are name artists that have careers that are still very healthy and ongoing. We all know how tough it is to get a brand-new act going these days, so these folks at least have a resume to fall back on. They’ve made giant hit records. Now our challenge is to get radio and the marketplace to give these artists a fair look, so we can go back to their existing audience and develop some new audience for them, continue to propagate their careers and help them continue to be relevant on the radio. Radio, like the rest of the industry, has changed dramatically since the Decca brand was put on hiatus 30-plus years ago. How is the new Decca approaching the new radio landscape to further these careers? Decca has been very smart in how we approach radio. Radio is not the primary driving force at this record label. Hopefully that’s going to change over time, but right now it’s smart not to put all your chips on the table behind radio. Radio has been difficult the last few years. Radio used to “drive the car.” If you didn’t get on radio, you wouldn’t even put the record out half the time. Nowadays you’ve got to develop ways to get radio to be excited about your record, to be a partner in the project with you. You want to make them feel good about playing an artist like Paula Cole or Mark Cohn, but as an important part of the mix, not the only part of the mix. We have a great sales division here, with three super pros who know how to get the right records into the right retail accounts at the right time. We have an awesome press department that has taken difficult artists that don’t get radio play, and delivered major television and media hits. We already have the fundamentals of a very good record company, and hopefully [National Director of Promotion] Louise Coogan and I can help radio become a partner in breaking some of these projects and furthering these artists’ careers. I couldn’t be happier about having Louise here. She has a great resume in the business, having done both radio and independent promotion. Her fresh ideas have already opened my eyes to some new things. I look forward to having her as my partner for quite a while. www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=442045
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Post by erzo01 on Jan 27, 2010 5:02:04 GMT -5
Top 30 in Triple A!
33 30 ROB THOMAS Someday 135 128 7 0.589
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 27, 2010 15:03:12 GMT -5
Wow, I was sure right about the rapid descent of "Fireflies" compared to "Already Gone".
"Someday" currently has a comfortable margin between it and the nearest single on the chart to claim another week at the top of the chart, before Train takes reign one and a half weeks from today.
Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Rumors on Jan 27, 2010 17:29:40 GMT -5
Great 3 minute little clip. Last minute with Rob at the piano describing how he came up with Her Diamonds. I love this kind of thing from songwriters. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q--VYjFLE84
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Post by Rumors on Jan 29, 2010 5:57:51 GMT -5
Anyone hear anything about this? Miley Cyrus 'When I Look at You' - New Song Posted on Jan 28th 2010 9:46AM by Sara D. 'When I Look at You' is Miley Cyrus' second single from her 2009 'The Time of Our Lives' EP. A Wal-Mart exclusive, the extended play was compiled to coincide and promote her clothing line with French Designer Max Azria. You may have also heard the pop ballad on the movie trailer for 'The Last Song.' Based on a novel by acclaimed author Nicholas Sparks, the film stars Cyrus -- an ambitious 17-year-old musician who struggles to rekindle her talent and reconnect with her estranged father. The Rob Thomas-penned song -- about falling in love -- fits perfectly with Cyrus' voice, and for an artist transitioning from a Disney figure to a young adult. With lyrics like : "When my world is falling apart / When there's no light to break up the dark / That's when I, I, I look at you," you can't help but join the Miley fan club and hope for another chart-topping single, such as her most recent and successful dance hit 'Party in the U.S.A.' 'The Last Song,' including co-stars Kelly Preston and Greg Kinnear, is slated for an Apr. 2 theater release. To hear the new single, go to AOL Radio's Fresh 40 station. www.aolradioblog.com/20...-when-i-look-at-you/
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Post by Rumors on Jan 29, 2010 6:15:23 GMT -5
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jan 29, 2010 7:46:49 GMT -5
I tried to find the songwriter thru a Google search and came up with no definitive answer. I like when Rob writes for other people though.
I found this info about Clive Davis' Grammy party written by Roger Friedman who is a huge Rob supporter over the years:
But the big excitement will be the return of Carlos Santana with matchbox twenty star Rob Thomas. They’re set to perform their new cover version of Eric Clapton’s “Sunshine of Your Love.” It’s from the forthcoming Santana album in which the guitar hero “Santana-izes” a dozen classics with guest vocalists. Here’s hoping Carlos and Rob will also do their big hit, “Smooth,” and maybe Rob’s current hit, “Someday.”
My colleagues at Billboard, by the way, have just cited Rob for having the most #1 Hot Adult Contemporay hits. The infectious “Someday” is now headed for the pop charts.
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Post by Rumors on Jan 29, 2010 16:00:06 GMT -5
The infectious “Someday” is now headed for the pop charts. We'll have to try to confirm that the Miley song was written by Rob. I don't trust everything that I read. Interesting last sentence there by Roger. Are we to infer that the song hasn't actually gone to the pop charts yet? Of course, Roger isn't always right with his inside scoop either. ;) Update - a Miley fan answered my question. I do like the song though even if Rob didn't write it. "Rob Thomas was going to write a song for the Movie but this isn't the song, this was originally on Miley's EP and they decided to also use it for the movie. John Shanks and Hilary Lindsay wrote this."
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Post by marv1978 on Jan 29, 2010 22:56:15 GMT -5
I really don't understand what do they have against Meltdown. haha. If there isn't another single, that means his label gave up on the album. Stupid labels... In other good news, Someday reached #1 today!!! 3 1 ROB THOMAS Someday 3999 3931 68 if theyre is not another single, this could be the first tie i've ever seen an artist or label turn down possible #1 hits at theyre core format lol and this is his format not chr because i was reading over theyre that since rob is 38 his career is now over lol,akes e kinda sad to think that once your mid 30s chr won't play u,wtf thats the most discriinating thing i've ever read and like if rob puts a younger artist on with hi he'll be hip again,hes not madonna lol,i wish they'd make it both ways age limit to sing too lol. daughtry got discovered at 30,hes now what 33-34,hurry up chris u glot 4 years tops no atter how good of songs u come up with chr will not play if youre close to 40. if thats really true rob better try to get every hit he can and not move on to the next prodject so fast,times running out fast. ask steven tyler and jon bon jovi about life after mid 30s lol,was that sarcastic?
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