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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 7, 2010 1:23:47 GMT -5
My Clear Channel small market HotAC station just added Someday. I heard it for the first time today. It was a big Rob day on my station today - Someday, Her Diamonds, Little Wonder, Bright Lights, and Ever The Same. Even though we won't know for sure how well each chart single is gaining, sliding or slowing until a week from today, it does seem like it has the strongest stature among the Top Five singles on the chart, gauging by the inflated net gains. There's no real imminent competition Rob Thomas has to face presently further down the chart. It is the matter of sticking it out long enough for "Already Gone" to decline that will determine whether this tops the chart or not (I expect "Fireflies" will slide sooner and faster of the two singles above "Someday"). Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Rumors on Jan 9, 2010 10:16:41 GMT -5
Cradlesong sales from this week's Billboard 200. Unless "Give Me The Meltdown" is a mega hit, it doesn't look like the album will go Gold. I doubt that's what Atlantic had in mind when Billboard Magazine gave Rob a cover and said that Atlantic wanted to make Cradlesong massive. I loved the album but I guess it just didn't find an audience. I won't blame it on promo because I think Rob got about what he is going to get. No magazine covers (other than Billboard), no Oprah, no award show performances, and no SNL. I mention that because I know Jason Mraz (also on Atlantic) really took off when he was on SNL. Was he THAT much bigger than Rob at the time? I'm sure sales are good enough to give him another album on Atlantic if he wants it.
124 THOMAS*ROB CRADLESONG 6,308 -57 14,687 362,458
It also looks like Pop just really isn't going to support "Someday". We'll see what happens with "Meltdown".
For Rob's next solo album in a few years (he'll probably be over 40 by then), I say bring on the alt-country album. An entire album of songs like "Getting Late", "Remembered Well" (bonus track on Rhapsody), and the unleased but performed live "Sunday Morning New York Blue" - best new song I heard from Rob in this era. I can go from a song like Getting Late to a song like Real World '09 but I like a lot of different kinds of music but I'm not sure that holds true for everyone. I've heard Rob say that he just puts the best songs that he has at the time on an album. MAYBE just MAYBE he needs to focus his sound more....less pop (Real World '09) and less AC stuff (Someday) and more rock - country rock. If you have ever seen Rob live he definitely is more Willie Nelson (acoustic stuff) and Bruce Springsteen than say George Michael or Daryl Hall. I know Rob can sing a multitude of styles but at this stage of his career maybe some focusing is needed.
Any thoughts on the next Rob solo album and what you would like to hear from him?
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Post by Rumors on Jan 9, 2010 10:20:10 GMT -5
There's no real imminent competition Rob Thomas has to face presently further down the chart. It is the matter of sticking it out long enough for "Already Gone" to decline that will determine whether this tops the chart or not (I expect "Fireflies" will slide sooner and faster of the two singles above "Someday"). "Someday" seems to be hanging there on HotAC. I'm kind of like you though and I don't know if it has enough steam to make it to #2 or #1. Train could actually pass it. Can't believe I just wrote that because I'm not feeling that single but it seems to be shaping up to be a big comeback single for them. Downloads are really doing well which for an adult act is something that isn't easy. So good for them.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 9, 2010 10:26:26 GMT -5
I'd actually like more songs in the vein of 'Wonderful' on Rob's next album.
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Post by Rumors on Jan 9, 2010 11:17:26 GMT -5
I'd actually like more songs in the vein of 'Wonderful' on Rob's next album. This acoustic version of Wonderful is really what I was thinking about when I mentioned the Bruce Springsteen comparison. Check out the 4 minute mark on this performance. I think Rob needs to get back to a little more edge in his vocals (or I should say I would like to see him to that). I would like to hear a version of Wonderful rocking out without the horns. I like the recorded version with the horns but to go a more traditional rock or alt-country sound I wonder what he could do with the song with a different direction for the music. LOVE the lyrics and I think he needs to go back into this direction. Even though I think Mockingbird as recorded is the strongest track on the album...this is the kind of production I hope he goes away from on the next solo album.
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Post by Rumors on Jan 9, 2010 11:18:00 GMT -5
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jan 9, 2010 12:48:46 GMT -5
I'd like him to go to an alt-country album next too. Perhaps do a duet with a female vocalist. Nothing too country but something fun for him since he loves the genre. But it is interesting how artists' music much change as they get older or they just fade away or end up doing the festival circuit with other artists of their era.
Regarding Wonderful, I love the song and prefer the album version to the acoustic one. I always thought that Michael Buble would do well covering that song. It's just FUN!
I'm hoping that Meltdown does well, especially on Pop to drive more record sales. The album got good reviews and should be doing better. In a perfect world, he'd get to release Mockingbird as a 4th single.
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Post by wavetunes on Jan 9, 2010 16:26:43 GMT -5
Rob's lyrics is a major reason why I love his music. I'm not really into anything country. I prefer the soul/rock stuff from him. I wouldn't mind if his next album is solo. My fav songs from his current album are Her Diamonds, Meltdown, Real World '09, Fire On The Mountain, and Mockingbird. I also like Someday, it grew up on me. I rarely listen to the rest. I like how he changes things up. I don't like when artists do more of the same. It gets boring. As for the album sales, I don't think it's bad. I think it will eventually go gold. But if Meltdown explodes, the album sales could explode as well. One thing I hope happens is for Rob to be a mentor on American Idol. It could be a great exposure for him.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jan 9, 2010 17:28:35 GMT -5
Hmmmm, American Idol. I read that Rob just had dinner with Ryan Seacrest. He's a fan of the show, but has said he wouldn't ever go on it because it means you're on the downside of your career. Or something like that.
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Post by Rumors on Jan 9, 2010 18:44:52 GMT -5
One thing I hope happens is for Rob to be a mentor on American Idol. It could be a great exposure for him. I thought he should have done that during his good run with Something To Be. He has an odd relationship with AI. Rob is apparently good friends with Ryan Seacrest, Randy Jackson picked one of Rob's songs to include on an album that Randy was producing, he seems to be buddies with Chris Daughtry and I saw a tweet he made to David Cook recently. However, at the same time I think he is totally against what the show is all about. I don't know his reasons but maybe hard for other artists to make it in this business, commericalism over art, unfair playing field, etc., etc. I guess its kind of a love-hate thing. LOL! I'm the same way. I've watched my fair share of the show but I'm not really behind what it stands for. Interesting comments wavetunes. You tend to like Rob's pop/rock songs. I do too but maybe would like to see him try an entire album doing something different. Country would be a new market for him to gain a little exposure. I think he would make a more laid back, less produced country album (or that's what I would like anyway) than he does with pop/rock. Would be like starting over in a way.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jan 9, 2010 22:51:22 GMT -5
The only thing about Rob going country is that I think of Bon Jovi's attempt and cringe. But at least Rob is a southerner and a fan of a lot of old school country artists, unlike the boys from New Jersey. But alt-country with an emphasis on the alt is what I'd like to see.
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Post by Rumors on Jan 10, 2010 10:24:46 GMT -5
The only thing about Rob going country is that I think of Bon Jovi's attempt and cringe. But at least Rob is a southerner and a fan of a lot of old school country artists, unlike the boys from New Jersey. But alt-country with an emphasis on the alt is what I'd like to see. I agree. To me the country influenced songs that we have heard have been less-produced than his other songs. That's what I would like to hear. Maybe almost an acoustic album? Only time will tell. I wouldn't want a Bon Jovi like country album. What was the point of that except for trying to pick up album sales in the country market.
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Post by Rumors on Jan 12, 2010 6:00:25 GMT -5
This song will be close to getting to the top of the HotAC chart. About 300 spins away from Already Gone which has lost its bullet and less than 200 away from Fireflies. Maybe a short stay at #1 for Fireflies, short stay for this song, and then a longer stay for Train. We'll see.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jan 12, 2010 7:35:03 GMT -5
Looks like my Hot AC station has kicked Someday into high rotation. I heard it 4 times during the workday yesterday. Yay! This station had been slow to even play it a few months back.
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Post by wavetunes on Jan 12, 2010 16:23:21 GMT -5
Hmmmm, American Idol. I read that Rob just had dinner with Ryan Seacrest. He's a fan of the show, but has said he wouldn't ever go on it because it means you're on the downside of your career. Or something like that. Yep, Ryan Seacrest mentioned on his AT40 (HAC version) last weekend that he had dinner with Rob and his wife. The weekend before was the top 40 of the decade show, and he interviewed Rob cuz Unwell was the #1 song of the decade. At the end of the interview, Ryan told Rob something like he wants to talk to him off the show. Downside? haha. My complaint, and a lot of others, about most of the mentors is that they are old and way past their prime. Some come to the show just to promote an album. So, it would be nice to have artists like Rob come as mentors.
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Post by wavetunes on Jan 12, 2010 16:26:57 GMT -5
However, at the same time I think he is totally against what the show is all about. I don't know his reasons but maybe hard for other artists to make it in this business, commericalism over art, unfair playing field, etc., etc. I guess its kind of a love-hate thing. LOL! I'm the same way. I've watched my fair share of the show but I'm not really behind what it stands for. I saw a while back an interview on youtube with Rob and Paul, from I think Q100 in Atlanta, and I got the impression that the other MBT guys are the ones against AI, not Rob. Not sure though. It's just an entertainment show. Usually once a new season starts, people forget about the previous season. Very few from AI has become successful, and those few are really good. I don't think they would have had a chance otherwise. Not sure I would call that unfair. Interesting comments wavetunes. You tend to like Rob's pop/rock songs. I do too but maybe would like to see him try an entire album doing something different. Country would be a new market for him to gain a little exposure. I think he would make a more laid back, less produced country album (or that's what I would like anyway) than he does with pop/rock. Would be like starting over in a way. I hope the "something different" wouldn't be country haha. I don't like country at all.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jan 12, 2010 19:13:15 GMT -5
I think Rob watched AI but I heard he say that he doesn't like that it just is a singing competition and that's a big difference from being an artist who can write their own songs. He basically was saying that the AI artists are manufactured by music biz people to be stars.
And I remember years ago hearing that Ryan Seacrest was asked who he would want with him on a deserted island and he said Marisol Thomas, Rob's wife!! OMG! He must have had a big crush on her.
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Post by wavetunes on Jan 13, 2010 15:36:41 GMT -5
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Post by wavetunes on Jan 13, 2010 16:31:43 GMT -5
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Post by Rumors on Jan 14, 2010 16:55:10 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the one interview I remember seeing and I do think Paul is more anti-AI than Rob.
I do agree that the show would be terrific exposure for Rob. Most people I know do not know who Rob is.
As for Someday, I think I'm leaning more to a number 3 peak than 2 or 1. Fireflies is holding steady and Train is going to start gaining. A #3 peak would actually be a very good run for Someday. I wasn't sure that it would do much beyond a top 5 or 6 peak when it started out.
I will say that even though Cradlesong's sales aren't jaw-dropping when you put everything in perspective they aren't that bad. It's hanging in there on the Billboard 200 at 126 (down from 124). In comparison, Green Day and Kelly Clarkson (both Spring/Summer 2009 releases) are farther down the list. Their overall sales are a lot more but Cradlesong is kind of holding its own right now. It will be interesting to see what Meltdown will do for the album when it's released.
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Post by NORTHCOAST on Jan 14, 2010 20:16:57 GMT -5
The morning DJ's on my Hot AC station were lamenting the horrible situation in Haiti this morning. Saying that even with this terrible recession ALL Americans have it better than the people of Haiti right now (and probably prior to this tragedy). Then the DJ said the someday things might get better for them and the first notes of Someday started to play. As I listened to the lyrics, I thought of the song in a whole new light.
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Post by Rumors on Jan 15, 2010 5:54:16 GMT -5
Yeah, you know Rob's heart is in the right place when you listen to the lyrics in songs like Someday and Streetcorner Symphony. I heard SS yesterday which is why that song is on my mind. I forgot that I liked that song so much.
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Post by wavetunes on Jan 16, 2010 15:50:14 GMT -5
Well, this song is definitely going to be #2 real soon. Already Gone is ahead by 181 spins and is falling. Train's is behind by 449. The question is, will it hit #1?
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Post by Rumors on Jan 18, 2010 8:45:20 GMT -5
Well, this song is definitely going to be #2 real soon. Already Gone is ahead by 181 spins and is falling. Train's is behind by 449. The question is, will it hit #1? Looks like Someday may peak at #3. If it does manage to keep its bullet long enough for AG to fall behind it it would be there for long. Someday actually did a little better than I was honestly thinking it might.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 19, 2010 2:50:08 GMT -5
Well, this song is definitely going to be #2 real soon. Already Gone is ahead by 181 spins and is falling. Train's is behind by 449. The question is, will it hit #1? Looks like Someday may peak at #3. If it does manage to keep its bullet long enough for AG to fall behind it it would be there for long. Someday actually did a little better than I was honestly thinking it might. I think it can squeeze in a week at #2 I'm predicting. "Someday" performed just as well as I predicted it would. It is simply the most tailor-made radio song on the album, even if the least interesting track on the album, so I didn't expect anything less of how it charted. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by wavetunes on Jan 20, 2010 18:12:30 GMT -5
2 1 OWL CITY Fireflies 4153 4091 62 1 2 KELLY CLARKSON Already Gone 3982 4172 -190 3 3 ROB THOMAS Someday 3957 3922 35 5 4 TRAIN Hey, Soul Sister 3671 3303 368
Someday probably will be #2 tomorrow. Train's is moving fast though.
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Post by erzo01 on Jan 22, 2010 8:21:10 GMT -5
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2 1 OWL CITY Fireflies 4094 4108 -14 20.001 3 2 ROB THOMAS Someday 4006 3934 72 21.079
Looks like "Someday" has a chance to snag #1 after all!
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Post by wavetunes on Jan 22, 2010 11:16:44 GMT -5
^ Yeah, that would be GREAT!!
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Post by singingsparrow on Jan 22, 2010 14:07:16 GMT -5
I just had a feeling that Owl City's single would slow down faster than most singles.................not because it's a bad single (I love it personally) but because it's quite an anomaly from most singles on Top 40 presently and "Vanilla Twilight" is also starting to move up.
Unless "Someday" falls short this week and "Hey, Soul Sister" accelerates even more in its gains within the next week, "Someday" will be a chart-topper by the skin of its teeth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2010 10:42:38 GMT -5
I hope this gets one week at number one...
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