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Post by hitseeker. on Feb 6, 2013 15:59:35 GMT -5
Josh you seem too intent on me voting for Nick so we can "move on". Can you please expound on that, beyond the "I just want the game to move on; I'm bored" reason?
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 16:01:49 GMT -5
I really am bored though. You said you aren't going to switch so I'm just joking around. Well kind of. I'm still almost positive Nick and Az are mafia. But either way we'll (finally) move on to night 4 in a few hours.
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 16:02:27 GMT -5
Well that's boring. You should switch just so we can move on. Why don't you? I missed this. But like I just said I'm still basically locked onto you and Az being mafia together.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 16:09:33 GMT -5
Someone save me please.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 16:10:46 GMT -5
Josh you seem too intent on me voting for Nick so we can "move on". Can you please expound on that, beyond the "I just want the game to move on; I'm bored" reason? He's saying that because I'm not mafia.
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 16:12:54 GMT -5
That gif lmao
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Post by hitseeker. on Feb 6, 2013 16:20:32 GMT -5
He's saying that because I'm not mafia. Ugh like I said I have no strong case against you but I just don't know really
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 16:21:51 GMT -5
If you have no strong case then why did you even vote? You ended up starting a chain reaction and now he's at lynch -1.
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Post by hitseeker. on Feb 6, 2013 16:40:17 GMT -5
If you have no strong case then why did you even vote? You ended up starting a chain reaction and now he's at lynch -1. Lol true but we've been through that and if Daniel is indeed Town I'll take full responsibility for my actions
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Post by JCMF3 on Feb 6, 2013 17:00:00 GMT -5
Well I am pretty sure Az is Mafia but no one else wanted to join me in that case. Since I think he is one Mafia member, I cannot side with him in a vote for fear it is a Townie. I am also fairly well convinced Nick is Mafia. I am not sure if hitseeker or Heartbreak are Indie though.
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 17:02:49 GMT -5
If you have no strong case then why did you even vote? You ended up starting a chain reaction and now he's at lynch -1. Lol true but we've been through that and if Daniel is indeed Town I'll take full responsibility for my actions But do you honestly think giving mafia a free kill is going to help town? You said you're against not making a lynch yet here you are making it so we do just that.
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Post by hitseeker. on Feb 6, 2013 17:11:35 GMT -5
Lol true but we've been through that and if Daniel is indeed Town I'll take full responsibility for my actions But do you honestly think giving mafia a free kill is going to help town? You said you're against not making a lynch yet here you are making it so we do just that. What if Daniel is Mafia though? As I said I have no strong cases against anybody and while your argument makes sense what if I switched to Nick now? I don't know how to justify it properly; I can't even do that for Daniel Besides, I already know how suspicious I'm going to look for people if I just switch votes. lmao And I'm not making so there is a No Lynch. Other people are free to unvote and vote for other players if they want. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 17:21:03 GMT -5
Yeah, and Jason and I aren't going to vote for Daniel, and Daniel's obviously not going to vote for himself. You are in fact assuring a no lynch. But I'm pretty sure, between mafia and independent, if we give mafia a free kill, one of those two will win. This is how I see it: no lynch: mafia gets a free kill and then either they or independent will almost for sure win (small chance independent dies, but not very likely) lynch and kill townie: mafia win is almost a lock lynch and kill independent or mafia: gives town a HUGE relief if we no lynch, mafia (assuming 2 mafia and 1 independent) have only 1/4 chance of killing the independent, a low chance. if we lynch a mafia, they still (same assumptions) would have 1/4 chance to kill independent, but then they're also way down for a majority and votes for lynching the next day. this is a HUGE score for the town. if we lynch an independent, that's great but then mafia has a guarantee town kill, and will win. So basically I view no lynch as the town forfeiting the game, or mafia being smart enough to force the town into a draw so that they win. That's why I'm so adamant about making the lynch, because I truly believe town will lose if we don't even attempt a lynch. Yes, lynching could still make the town lose, but there's a much higher chance of use winning by lynching than by doing nothing. We also (assuming 2 mafia and 1 independent) have a 3/6 or 50% chance of killing a baddie. Those are pretty good odds for the town, and considering no lynch gives town even less votes to be cast against the baddies, I think it's suicide for the town not to make a lynch.
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Post by hitseeker. on Feb 6, 2013 17:26:25 GMT -5
Yeah, and Jason and I aren't going to vote for Daniel, and Daniel's obviously not going to vote for himself. You are in fact assuring a no lynch. But I'm pretty sure, between mafia and independent, if we give mafia a free kill, one of those two will win. This is how I see it: no lynch: mafia gets a free kill and then either they or independent will almost for sure win (small chance independent dies, but not very likely) lynch and kill townie: mafia win is almost a lock lynch and kill independent or mafia: gives town a HUGE relief if we no lynch, mafia (assuming 2 mafia and 1 independent) have only 1/4 chance of killing the independent, a low chance. if we lynch a mafia, they still (same assumptions) would have 1/4 chance to kill independent, but then they're also way down for a majority and votes for lynching the next day. this is a HUGE score for the town. if we lynch an independent, that's great but then mafia has a guarantee town kill, and will win. So basically I view no lynch as the town forfeiting the game, or mafia being smart enough to force the town into a draw so that they win. That's why I'm so adamant about making the lynch, because I truly believe town will lose if we don't even attempt a lynch. Yes, lynching could still make the town lose, but there's a much higher chance of use winning by lynching than by doing nothing. We also (assuming 2 mafia and 1 independent) have a 3/6 or 50% chance of killing a baddie. Those are pretty good odds for the town, and considering no lynch gives town even less votes to be cast against the baddies, I think it's suicide for the town not to make a lynch. Ok, I concede. You make great points there But if the set-up is not how you think it is, then things may change. But ok, if I was to vote for Nick, besides the No Lynch thing, in your opinion what reasons or evidence are there for me to vote? We have the Lynch -1 thing, which I don't consider that big, and what else? The fact the AZ explained over and over why the claims against Nick are not strong enough that could indicate a partnership of some sort between the two?
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Post by nick64 on Feb 6, 2013 17:30:24 GMT -5
^Exactly. You guys have a no stronger case against me than we have for Heartbreak or even josh. Why are you guys SO insistent that it's me??? I've asked this a billion times and haven't gotten an answer and it's really frustrating!
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 17:30:34 GMT -5
I have my reporting claim backed up by Xiivi, so I know that it's true, obviously. I understand why others are skeptical since everything can be a lie, but I know it for a fact. Then there's the lynch -1 thing like you said, and also Az has been defending him like crazy, which I don't understand why that would be for anyone unless you're mafia defending another mafia. So to me it's obvious, like I've said before. Now it's just up to you.
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Post by hitseeker. on Feb 6, 2013 17:32:15 GMT -5
Damn this shit is hard Josh you do realize that if Nick is indeed Mafia and if I vote for him, lynching him in the process, I'll be nightkilled, don't you?
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 17:33:11 GMT -5
Yes, but then town has a chance at winning. Remember, you win even if you as a person die, as long as your "group" or "faction" or whatever (town or mafia or independent) wins. :)
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Post by hitseeker. on Feb 6, 2013 17:34:17 GMT -5
Yes, but then town has a chance at winning. Remember, you win even if you as a person die, as long as your "group" or "faction" or whatever (town or mafia or independent) wins. :) Oh thanks I don't know if that makes me feel better, though haha
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 17:35:09 GMT -5
Oh, also did you notice how you voted for Heartbreak, you said you have no evidence, then boom here comes Nick, then Az? They quickly changed sides to the new person they thought could be getting lynched. Even though he has no more evidence than anyone else is throwing out there.
It's just like jback and Sean bandwagonning at the last minute in the previous game.
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Post by nick64 on Feb 6, 2013 17:35:41 GMT -5
Jaõa, I've given you my defense. You've heard the evidence against me. The only new thing josh provided is his reporter job, which can easily be a lie, and most likely is, since I didn't do anything on Night 1 as I was kidnapped. Please make the wise decision :'(
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Post by nick64 on Feb 6, 2013 17:38:55 GMT -5
Oh, also did you notice how you voted for Heartbreak, you said you have no evidence, then boom here comes Nick, then Az? They quickly changed sides to the new person they thought could be getting lynched. Even though he has no more evidence than anyone else is throwing out there. It's just like jback and Sean bandwagonning at the last minute in the previous game. I had expressed my recent suspicion of Heartbreak already. He came in with a weak defense, and that's what caused me to switch. It had nothing to do with Hitseeker. Voting for you was a moot point, as everyone for some reason seems to think you're innocent. I'm obviously not gonna vote for myself and I won't just not vote, and Heartbreak seems suspicious, so I voted for him.
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Post by hitseeker. on Feb 6, 2013 17:39:13 GMT -5
OMG THIS SUCKS SO MUCH, IT'S LIKE DECIDING BETWEEN CHILDREN!!!!!1! Some Sophie's Choice shit going on in here
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 17:40:30 GMT -5
Oh, also did you notice how you voted for Heartbreak, you said you have no evidence, then boom here comes Nick, then Az? They quickly changed sides to the new person they thought could be getting lynched. Even though he has no more evidence than anyone else is throwing out there. It's just like jback and Sean bandwagonning at the last minute in the previous game. I had expressed my recent suspicion of Heartbreak already. He came in with a weak defense, and that's what caused me to switch. It had nothing to do with Hitseeker. Voting for you was a moot point, as everyone for some reason seems to think you're innocent. I'm obviously not gonna vote for myself and I won't just not vote, and Heartbreak seems suspicious, so I voted for him. That may be, but you didn't change your vote to him until he already had a vote. And then like a moth to a flame (that's a saying, right?) Az followed suit. Literally read the end of the last game, that's exactly what Sean and jback did.
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 17:40:46 GMT -5
*jbanned
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Post by nick64 on Feb 6, 2013 17:44:26 GMT -5
I had expressed my recent suspicion of Heartbreak already. He came in with a weak defense, and that's what caused me to switch. It had nothing to do with Hitseeker. Voting for you was a moot point, as everyone for some reason seems to think you're innocent. I'm obviously not gonna vote for myself and I won't just not vote, and Heartbreak seems suspicious, so I voted for him. That may be, but you didn't change your vote to him until he already had a vote. And then like a moth to a flame (that's a saying, right?) Az followed suit. Literally read the end of the last game, that's exactly what Sean and jback did. And that makes me Mafia? ??? I already said if I was Mafia, I would try to start the lynch wagon, so I wouldn't look like a bandwagoner. Now I'm not the first and that makes me Mafia? ??? As for Az, you realized that JCMF3 did the exact same thing he did, right?
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Post by nick64 on Feb 6, 2013 17:45:15 GMT -5
And if I was Mafia, do you really think I would choose the same strategy as the previous Mafia
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Post by hitseeker. on Feb 6, 2013 17:48:30 GMT -5
Ok 6 hours~ until the deadline is upon us, I think.
I'll leave Pulse for a while and just think carefully on whether I'm going to stick by my vote or change it.
I'll be back shortly.
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 17:49:06 GMT -5
Also heartbreak only voted for the person lynched on day 1, that look like a mafia player to me.
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Post by josh on Feb 6, 2013 17:50:00 GMT -5
Something I noticed (maybe others did too, but hey - I am new to this, so I am trying to do my own analyses)... For Days 1 and 3, Az and Nick ultimately voted for the same person who was lynched. Day 2 obviously Nick couldn't vote but Az did vote for the person lynched. Now in Day 4, they are once again aligned against the same person (Josh). That seems like more than just a coincidence to me. I think I am really starting to get convinced about Az being Mafia. I'm sticking with my vote. Hai, thought I'd address this 'cause I think your theories here can be pretty much tossed out. Crossed out are the people who are dead. Day 1, the votes to lynch Slizzard were: Heartbreak, Josh, Az, Codex, Hitseeker, Nick, RockyDay 2, the votes to lynch Rocky were: Josh, Az, Codex, Hitseeker, Ry4nDay 3, the votes to lynch Sean were: Josh, Az, Nick, HitseekerJosh and Hitseeker were ALSO in on EVERY LYNCH so JCMF3, you can't use this as proof against me when I am NOT the only common denominator. If you're using this as evidence against me, why aren't you also using it as evidence against Josh and Hitseeker? Using it JUST on me doesn't carry much weight. Quoting this so you know I'm not making it up. Or if it's wrong data then it's Az's fault not mine.
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