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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 16:39:58 GMT -5
I wonder if features count in the total I posted. If the don't then that's another 10-15 million at least. Lil Wayne's total would like double lmao. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 12, 2013 16:40:34 GMT -5
Yes, because of the Grammy performance and video release. I believe it was not even top 50 on iTunes despite receiving Pop airplay before that. ??? It was like #30 on pop. Do you expect every song to be top 10 the second a pop station touches it? She performed it, people heard it and liked it so they started buying it. Now it's #1, because it's selling well. Why was 'When I Was Your Man' selling more than it then? And why is 'Locked out of Heaven' still perched in the iTunes top 10 while 'Diamonds' is free-falling? Stop arguing against facts. |
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Post by thewolvesareaway on Feb 12, 2013 16:41:09 GMT -5
Eminem featuring Rihanna- Love The Way You Lie 5,725,000
T.I. featuring Rihanna- Live Your Life 4,450,000
Jay-Z featuring Rihanna- Run This Town 3,140,000
Drake featuring Rihanna- Take Care 2,070,000
I couldnt think of what else she was featured on
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 16:41:57 GMT -5
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 12, 2013 16:43:47 GMT -5
Also I'm not sure how much this influences things but Rihanna never does well on HAC. WFL was her first song to go top 10 there, while every TD single went top 2. Katy's singles actually do better in airplay than Rihanna's, WMN for example was only #4 on pop, most of its airplay was from Urban which isn't a big single sales drive. Everyone knows Hot AC is not a single selling format. It's about as useless as Urban in the big scheme of things. Pop is the format that drives sales. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 12, 2013 16:46:47 GMT -5
Rihanna has more hits than all of the people listed. So what if she doesn't sell 5million of every single song she releases.. They usually go platinum or double platinum and she's got as many hits as most legends do and in many cases more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 16:47:19 GMT -5
??? It was like #30 on pop. Do you expect every song to be top 10 the second a pop station touches it? She performed it, people heard it and liked it so they started buying it. Now it's #1, because it's selling well. Why was 'When I Was Your Man' selling more than it then? And why is 'Locked out of Heaven' still perched in the iTunes top 10 while 'Diamonds' is free-falling? Stop arguing against facts. When I Was Your Man had like 3 times as much airplay, and it already had a video released. Locked Out Of Heaven is one of the biggest songs of the year, currently #4 on pop while Diamonds is #19 (it didn't even go #1). But yes, Rihanna is a bad digital seller for not having a year end #1 yet, consistensy doesn't matter I guess. |
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 12, 2013 16:49:57 GMT -5
??? It was like #30 on pop. Do you expect every song to be top 10 the second a pop station touches it? She performed it, people heard it and liked it so they started buying it. Now it's #1, because it's selling well. Why was 'When I Was Your Man' selling more than it then? And why is 'Locked out of Heaven' still perched in the iTunes top 10 while 'Diamonds' is free-falling? Stop arguing against facts. "When I Was Your Man" is for one, a lot higher in airplay already than "Stay," and for number two, had a lot more hype at its first release than "Stay" did. "When I Was Your Man" was released before the album even came out, so of course it's going to get a lot more attention to start off with than "Stay," which was just one of several new album tracks released on the same day. "Stay"'s sales pre-Grammy performance were good. Plain and simple. You honestly cannot argue against that. Yes, airplay will drive sales, but it is FAR from the only factor. Just look at "Gangnam Style" or "Baby," for example. Two triple platinum sellers that lacked high airplay. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 12, 2013 16:51:32 GMT -5
Why was 'When I Was Your Man' selling more than it then? And why is 'Locked out of Heaven' still perched in the iTunes top 10 while 'Diamonds' is free-falling? Stop arguing against facts. When I Was Your Man had like 3 times as much airplay, and it already had a video released. Locked Out Of Heaven is one of the biggest songs of the year, currently #4 on pop while Diamonds is #19 (it didn't even go #1). But yes, Rihanna is a bad digital seller for not having a year end #1 yet, consistensy doesn't matter I guess. I used those songs as examples because both were released around the same time as Rihanna's singles. On top of that Bruno is selling more albums as well. |
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Post by Get Your Life. on Feb 12, 2013 16:53:43 GMT -5
Isn't Rihanna the artist with the most 1 million sellers? Didn't even "Birthday Cake" pass 1 mil?
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 12, 2013 16:56:33 GMT -5
Isn't Rihanna the artist with the most 1 million sellers? Didn't even "Birthday Cake" pass 1 mil? Who cares? I'm sure Taylor Swift has more btw and that is not what we're discussing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 16:56:39 GMT -5
Also I'm not sure how much this influences things but Rihanna never does well on HAC. WFL was her first song to go top 10 there, while every TD single went top 2. Katy's singles actually do better in airplay than Rihanna's, WMN for example was only #4 on pop, most of its airplay was from Urban which isn't a big single sales drive. Everyone knows Hot AC is not a single selling format. It's about as useless as Urban in the big scheme of things. Pop is the format that drives sales. Pop, where Katy broke the spin record with 3 different songs. I'm pretty sure Gaga did too with Poker Face and Just Dance. The only Rihanna song to have similar (still worse) airplay is WFL which is almost 5 million anyway. The rest either missed #1 or barely hit it, then fell fast to make room for the next one, same as on the H100. One could say Katy is a bad digital seller for only selling 5.4 million with ET while IGAF has passed 8 million already (?). |
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 12, 2013 16:57:32 GMT -5
When I Was Your Man had like 3 times as much airplay, and it already had a video released. Locked Out Of Heaven is one of the biggest songs of the year, currently #4 on pop while Diamonds is #19 (it didn't even go #1). But yes, Rihanna is a bad digital seller for not having a year end #1 yet, consistensy doesn't matter I guess. I used those songs as examples because both were released around the same time as Rihanna's singles. On top of that Bruno is selling more albums as well. But like I stated, Bruno has more hype surrounding his second single than Rihanna does. Plus, for the longest time, we had no clue what Rihanna was even planning on releasing for the second single. It wasn't until two or three weeks ago that "Stay" was even announced at the third single. Notice how "Pour It Up" was/is nearing the top 30 on just rhythmic and urban airplay because it picked up on those formats a few weeks before "Stay" was decided as the second pop single. It was pretty obvious that "When I Was Your Man" was going to be Bruno's second single, and people are really into it. I just frankly don't understand how a song that was just released to airplay QUICKLY moving up into the mid-50s on iTunes only two weeks into its run on pop radio, it's main format, is considered bad sales. ??? Do you know how many songs wish they could be selling that well? Look at Krewella's "Alive," for example. It's coming out of nowhere on pop radio right now with number similar to "Stay," but isn't even top 200 on iTunes. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 12, 2013 17:05:28 GMT -5
Everyone knows Hot AC is not a single selling format. It's about as useless as Urban in the big scheme of things. Pop is the format that drives sales. Pop, where Katy broke the spin record with 3 different songs. I'm pretty sure Gaga did too with Poker Face and Just Dance. The only Rihanna song to have similar (still worse) airplay is WFL which is almost 5 million anyway. The rest either missed #1 or barely hit it, then fell fast to make room for the next one, same as on the H100. One could say Katy is a bad digital seller for only selling 5.4 million with ET while IGAF has passed 8 million already (?). It's not about spins, they both have a big chart record at Pop radio. Most songs peak in sales even before they get to #1 at Pop anyway.. And no, you can't say Katy doesn't sell well. E.T. was a 4th single and was following 2 other 5 million sellers. That's huge. GaGa was also selling millions of album on top of huge amounts of downloads. Let's face it, Rihanna has a history of poor sales showing all around. Albums and singles. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 17:13:08 GMT -5
Ok fine, you're right. Rihanna is a horrible digital seller despite being the best selling digital artist of all time by a decent margin. She's also a bad album seller despite being the biggest album seller internationally since her debut (bar maybe Adele now), with her last 2 albums both being year end top 10's in the US, Unapologetic will probably follow too.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 12, 2013 17:13:45 GMT -5
I think Rihanna's album sales are actually pretty decent. She consistently sells over 1 million ever since GGGB, and each album would likely sell a lot more if her label wasn't so quick to pump out another one.  Singles wise, though, I will have to admit that Rihanna lacks a bit. Yeah, she has tons of platinum selling singles and multi-platinum selling singles as well, but many of them don't match their airplay success. "What's My Name?" and "Rude Boy" are prime examples. Both were absolutely massive on airplay, but I don't think either have surpassed 3 million, or they just barely have. However, Rihanna also does have many airplay smashes that sold very well too. "We Found Love," "Only Girl (In the World)," "Umbrella," and "Disturbia" showcase that. I'd say she is more hit or miss when it comes to single sales. All of them tend to sell decently, but she does a bit more low selling when compared to their airplay peaks than most artists. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 17:14:08 GMT -5
ET's a weird exception though, since it was remixed with Kanye, and that version wasn't originally on the TD album.
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Post by moore746 on Feb 12, 2013 17:21:19 GMT -5
Some of you need to keep in mind that Rihanna actively services multiple songs to different formats at the same time. That has got to have an impact on sales.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 17:24:34 GMT -5
Yeah, in the period that Katy and Gaga had 12, Rihanna had ~30 singles. Yeah a lot of those were flops but they still take away a ton of sales from her main hits.
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Post by repentyourself on Feb 12, 2013 17:27:27 GMT -5
This conversation literally makes zero sense....... in what universe does the best selling digital artist of all time (who is currently #1 on iTunes) who has also sold 12 million albums worldwide in the past ~2 years have a history of poor sales? Stop arguing against facts [2]  |
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Post by moore746 on Feb 12, 2013 17:27:41 GMT -5
Does anyone have any sales figures for Man Down and California King Bed?
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 12, 2013 17:30:00 GMT -5
This conversation literally makes zero sense....... in what universe does the best selling digital artist of all time (who is currently #1 on iTunes) who has also sold 12 million albums worldwide in the past ~2 years have a history of poor sales? Stop arguing against facts [2] Where are those 5 million selling singles though? She's only #1 because of how many albums she's released. BEP have 5 million less with half the hits/singles released. That's way more impressive. Stop acting like Rihanna is a huge album seller as well. She isn't and she'll never be. |
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Post by Envoirment on Feb 12, 2013 17:34:41 GMT -5
This conversation literally makes zero sense....... in what universe does the best selling digital artist of all time (who is currently #1 on iTunes) who has also sold 12 million albums worldwide in the past ~2 years have a history of poor sales? Stop arguing against facts [2] Where are those 5 million selling singles though? She's only #1 because of how many albums she's released. BEP have 5 million less with half the hits/singles released. That's way more impressive. Stop acting like Rihanna is a huge album seller as well. She isn't and she'll never be. Since when does 5 million selling singles mean anything though? I'm sure "We Found Love" will pass the mark sooner or later. And what's your point? The fact she can release material in quick succession and sustain the amount of success she does is more impressive imo. Rihanna isn't a huge album seller, but she's the most consistent album seller in the game right now. |
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 12, 2013 17:36:58 GMT -5
This conversation literally makes zero sense....... in what universe does the best selling digital artist of all time (who is currently #1 on iTunes) who has also sold 12 million albums worldwide in the past ~2 years have a history of poor sales? Stop arguing against facts [2] Where are those 5 million selling singles though? Eh... I wouldn't really say those who can't sell a lot of 5 million singles, but can consistently sell 2 million singles a poor seller. I'd rather have a bunch of consistently decent selling singles than a few high selling ones. Rihanna is definitely a big digital seller. I would definitely include her with Bieber, Swift, Perry, Gaga, Spears, and Adele in a list of artists who are sure to sell well digitally. Edit: Why is this even an issue? Rihanna has a lot of great numbers. I'm sure her label is perfectly ecstatic with them. It's not like she's pulling Christina Aguilera-eqsue numbers. ??? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 17:41:06 GMT -5
"She's only #1 because of how many albums she's released"
Same reason Madonna's the best selling female artist of all time, because of how many albums she's released. Is Adele bigger for having one album that did better than any of Madonna's? No, because consistancy is just as important.
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Post by josh on Feb 12, 2013 17:47:28 GMT -5
"She's only #1 because of how many albums she's released" Same reason Madonna's the best selling female artist of all time, because of how many albums she's released. Is Adele bigger for having one album that did better than any of Madonna's? No, because consistancy is just as important. Doesn't Madonna have Multiple diamond albums though? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 17:51:23 GMT -5
Well yes but 21 was arguably bigger if you figure in the horrible album climate. I could bring up a differenr example but you get the point |
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Post by Envoirment on Feb 12, 2013 17:51:26 GMT -5
"She's only #1 because of how many albums she's released" Same reason Madonna's the best selling female artist of all time, because of how many albums she's released. Is Adele bigger for having one album that did better than any of Madonna's? No, because consistancy is just as important. Doesn't Madonna have Multiple diamond albums though? She has many big selling albums, with 2 diamond albums. However, Rihanna has bigger selling songs than what Madonna has had (I am talking about sales, not impact ect). That is due to the digital era. Single sales have dramatically improved since 2004, but album sales have fallen sharply. |
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Post by josh on Feb 12, 2013 17:53:10 GMT -5
Well codex said Adele has a bIg album but Madonna was just consistent and I was proving she's both consistent and had huge albums just as big as 21
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 17:55:27 GMT -5
Well codex said Adele has a bIg album but Madonna was just consistent and I was proving she's both consistent and had huge albums just as big as 21 But Rihanna's had huge singles... |
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