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Post by Caviar on Dec 2, 2013 9:28:44 GMT -5
CHARMBRACELET will forever be known as the diamond in the rough. The lyrics on that album are some of the best and I hope she can give us another dose of that MASTERPIECE C=MC^2.  |
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Post by Gold Soundz on Dec 2, 2013 9:31:01 GMT -5
If she'd re-record the vocals (lbr, no mastering can save them), it'd be a great album.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Dec 2, 2013 10:29:10 GMT -5
"Oh Santa" would be a lot better if she didn't mumble so much; I don't know what she is singing for a lot of the verses. It also doesn't really have a melody for the chorus. As for "Clown," I love that jam! It would definitely be better with some remastering, but it's still good. The lyric and melody are great, and I actually think the airy vocal works well in being casually dismissive. If she sang more angrily, then it would mean it was all affecting her. I don't necessarily want her to sing it angrily, but I mean at times you don't even understand what she is singing. She could sing it in full voice and still sound dismissive. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 10:52:36 GMT -5
I love the songs that I can not understand very well
Coz Ican add up smth mine to them
The Roof
Lullaby
You had your chance
For the record
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All are pretty mumb-lily hahaha
And are my favs
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 2, 2013 21:37:00 GMT -5
"Oh Santa" would be a lot better if she didn't mumble so much; I don't know what she is singing for a lot of the verses. It also doesn't really have a melody for the chorus. As for "Clown," I love that jam! It would definitely be better with some remastering, but it's still good. The lyric and melody are great, and I actually think the airy vocal works well in being casually dismissive. If she sang more angrily, then it would mean it was all affecting her. I don't necessarily want her to sing it angrily, but I mean at times you don't even understand what she is singing. She could sing it in full voice and still sound dismissive. What parts of "Clown" are hard to understand? I never had a problem with that one like, say, "Oh Santa" or "The Roof." |
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Dec 2, 2013 21:44:02 GMT -5
I guess you and I are just different because I completely understood all the parts in "Oh Santa" and "The Roof", but there are parts of the second verse of "Clown" that are hard to understand and other parts of the song where the words just blend together.
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Post by Positive Tension on Dec 2, 2013 21:50:18 GMT -5
I liked "Oh Santa" and thought it really picked up in the last minute or two, but I do agree that Mariah sung it pretty quickly. It may have been hard for the average listener to hear everything she was saying.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Dec 2, 2013 22:19:18 GMT -5
LOL. Mariah has ALWAYS had a problem with enunciation. It's just one of the things her protege shares with her.  She also swallows some of her words. As much as Mariah is my favorite singer of all time, there have always been things I have found to be a bit "off" with her vocal stylings, which is why I think she isn't for everyone. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 2, 2013 22:30:21 GMT -5
It's only been since Mariah sings in an airy voice more and that quality declined that some of her songs are hard to understand. I don't think anyone off the debut or, say, Daydream are hard to understand.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Dec 2, 2013 22:38:26 GMT -5
There's Got To Be A Way comes to mind…OH!! If we work together…blah blah blah…see tomorrow! I Stay In Love has the epic "I try to fart like a whale" line, but yeah, that's more recent. In One Sweet Day, is it "patient and we'll see you in heaven?" Second verse of Fantasy also comes to mind. I mean, yes, most people can understand Mariah if they actually listen to her and pay attention but I have definitely heard people try to sing some of her classics and mess up the words.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Dec 2, 2013 22:46:27 GMT -5
I think the one thing about Mariah that makes her such a great singer is the fact that she has a very pleasant tone to her voice that makes you want to listen. The thing that has always bothered me about Mariah when it comes to singing is the fact that she doesn't see anything wrong with putting songs out there where you can't understand the lyrics she is singing. For someone who prides herself on writing her own songs, she sure as hell doesn't take any pride in enunciating the words clearly at times so we understand said lyrics. I am like does she not go back and hear the fact that some of the words can't be understood?
I think my biggest complaint about Mariah vocally more so live these days is rather than sing a song straight forward, she feels she has to go cute and throw in these random vocal embellishments. She usually will be singing in full voice and then end each line of the verse in her upper register or inexplicably end it in a whisper or vice versa be whispering a song and end the line of the verse in full voice/belt. It is part of what makes me cringe when she performs Oh Holy Night now is she will be singing in full voice and then just end each line in a verse softly rather than continue in her full voice. Granted her voice isn't where it used to be, but I don't think she does herself any favors vocally by making these abrupt changes vocally.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 23:28:28 GMT -5
I think my biggest complaint about Mariah vocally more so live these days is rather than sing a song straight forward, she feels she has to go cute and throw in these random vocal embellishments. She usually will be singing in full voice and then end each line of the verse in her upper register or inexplicably end it in a whisper or vice versa be whispering a song and end the line of the verse in full voice/belt. It is part of what makes me cringe when she performs Oh Holy Night now is she will be singing in full voice and then just end each line in a verse softly rather than continue in her full voice. Granted her voice isn't where it used to be, but I don't think she does herself any favors vocally by making these abrupt changes vocally. It's funny because it's actually incredibly difficult to sing like that, but people do complain about it a lot. |
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Dec 2, 2013 23:53:53 GMT -5
I think my biggest complaint about Mariah vocally more so live these days is rather than sing a song straight forward, she feels she has to go cute and throw in these random vocal embellishments. She usually will be singing in full voice and then end each line of the verse in her upper register or inexplicably end it in a whisper or vice versa be whispering a song and end the line of the verse in full voice/belt. It is part of what makes me cringe when she performs Oh Holy Night now is she will be singing in full voice and then just end each line in a verse softly rather than continue in her full voice. Granted her voice isn't where it used to be, but I don't think she does herself any favors vocally by making these abrupt changes vocally. It's funny because it's actually incredibly difficult to sing like that, but people do complain about it a lot. I don't necessarily mind when she sings that way just when she goes about singing that way in a rather lazy way does it get grating. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 3, 2013 11:22:05 GMT -5
I think the one thing about Mariah that makes her such a great singer is the fact that she has a very pleasant tone to her voice that makes you want to listen. The thing that has always bothered me about Mariah when it comes to singing is the fact that she doesn't see anything wrong with putting songs out there where you can't understand the lyrics she is singing. For someone who prides herself on writing her own songs, she sure as hell doesn't take any pride in enunciating the words clearly at times so we understand said lyrics. I am like does she not go back and hear the fact that some of the words can't be understood? I think my biggest complaint about Mariah vocally more so live these days is rather than sing a song straight forward, she feels she has to go cute and throw in these random vocal embellishments. She usually will be singing in full voice and then end each line of the verse in her upper register or inexplicably end it in a whisper or vice versa be whispering a song and end the line of the verse in full voice/belt. It is part of what makes me cringe when she performs Oh Holy Night now is she will be singing in full voice and then just end each line in a verse softly rather than continue in her full voice. Granted her voice isn't where it used to be, but I don't think she does herself any favors vocally by making these abrupt changes vocally. I agree with you about the sound of Mariah's voice. Her vocal timbre is what sets her apart from pretty much everyone. I was listening to Kelly Clarkson's holiday album, and she hits the notes and all, but man does her belting sound forced/unpleasant. I think the issue for Mariah live is the way she records her songs. In the studio she can do a line as many times as needed to perfect. She also does a lot of vocal layering. As has been said, Mariah's melismatic runs are incredibly difficult, and the way she layers them is sometimes literally impossible to replicate live. But then it's like Mariah still feels a need to replicate it live, and we end up with this mess of live and pre-recorded vocals, and then live vocals that sound unnatural. |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Dec 3, 2013 13:06:51 GMT -5
^ you nailed it with your entire post.
Also, in the past Mariah use to just pick the main vocal of the song while the back up singers would do the other layering vocals. Which was fine. Now, not only it she adding more layering in her recordings but she also wants to do them all when performing, which is impossible and it's one of the reasons she looks uncomfortable on stage.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Dec 3, 2013 14:46:41 GMT -5
The Rockefeller performance is this evening, right? And airing tomorrow.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Dec 3, 2013 20:06:28 GMT -5
I think the one thing about Mariah that makes her such a great singer is the fact that she has a very pleasant tone to her voice that makes you want to listen. The thing that has always bothered me about Mariah when it comes to singing is the fact that she doesn't see anything wrong with putting songs out there where you can't understand the lyrics she is singing. For someone who prides herself on writing her own songs, she sure as hell doesn't take any pride in enunciating the words clearly at times so we understand said lyrics. I am like does she not go back and hear the fact that some of the words can't be understood? I think my biggest complaint about Mariah vocally more so live these days is rather than sing a song straight forward, she feels she has to go cute and throw in these random vocal embellishments. She usually will be singing in full voice and then end each line of the verse in her upper register or inexplicably end it in a whisper or vice versa be whispering a song and end the line of the verse in full voice/belt. It is part of what makes me cringe when she performs Oh Holy Night now is she will be singing in full voice and then just end each line in a verse softly rather than continue in her full voice. Granted her voice isn't where it used to be, but I don't think she does herself any favors vocally by making these abrupt changes vocally. I agree with you about the sound of Mariah's voice. Her vocal timbre is what sets her apart from pretty much everyone. I was listening to Kelly Clarkson's holiday album, and she hits the notes and all, but man does her belting sound forced/unpleasant. I think the issue for Mariah live is the way she records her songs. In the studio she can do a line as many times as needed to perfect. She also does a lot of vocal layering. As has been said, Mariah's melismatic runs are incredibly difficult, and the way she layers them is sometimes literally impossible to replicate live. But then it's like Mariah still feels a need to replicate it live, and we end up with this mess of live and pre-recorded vocals, and then live vocals that sound unnatural. The irony is she doesn't even realize I think how much her fans might appreciate more stripped down versions of her songs where she isn't trying to fit every note she ever recorded in a song live. Hopefully, she is at least creating some simplistic songs for her to sing this go round with the new album. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 22:32:59 GMT -5
Maressica Rabbit! Gorgeous dahhling!! |
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Dec 3, 2013 22:47:07 GMT -5
From what I can tell, she sounds decent from those clips. Definitely looking great too!
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Post by die Lotterie on Dec 4, 2013 2:06:04 GMT -5
YASS at her doing "Joy To The World". Her rendition is the most AMAZING, and I never thought she would do it live again. Everything is right and perfect in lambworld right now. :'(
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Post by Gold Soundz on Dec 4, 2013 2:12:38 GMT -5
I like that she's doing the intro again. Those newer versions had nothing on the original. It's also nice to hear her without a track on AIWFCIY even though they'll probably dub one in anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 3:32:39 GMT -5
Willcheck later
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 4, 2013 8:48:19 GMT -5
In some markets, the Rockefeller show is 2 hours, isn't it? Just one hour on the East coast, it looks.
Mimi's become a regular on the show- is this her third or fourth consecutive year?
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Dec 4, 2013 9:24:14 GMT -5
I don't worry about her voice in live performances anymore. It seems the past 12 months have been a huge step in the right direction for her.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 4, 2013 11:40:38 GMT -5
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Dec 4, 2013 12:10:53 GMT -5
I wonder how close Merry Christmas is to 6x platinum. I would guess that it was also available in BMG and Columbia House in the 90's.
Soundscan has it at a bit over 5.3 million. I don't think it's unrealistic to think it's shipped 6x platinum at this point.
It's last certification came 11 years ago.
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Post by Gold Soundz on Dec 4, 2013 13:01:09 GMT -5
Magurtle looks pretty.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Dec 4, 2013 14:32:00 GMT -5
When she gets her whispery voice right it works, but when it goes wrong it goes horribly wrong.
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