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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 10:36:56 GMT -5
only partly true when diana ross had a number 1 hit with Chain reaction in 1980 she was the oldest woman to have a hit aretha, dustin, gene pitney and all of those old peoples careers ended in the 70s and then with the help of younger people they could have hits in the 80s genesis and the ex beatles were in their 30s genesis and paul mccartney both lost airplay in the early 90s when they were 40,41 genesis we cant dance was their last hitalbum paul mccartney had his last entry on the hot 100 with hope of deliverance (awesome song= The Beatles were in their 40's in the 80s. Paul McCartney's last major hits were in the 80s. Diana Ross was 36 in 1980
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Mar 13, 2013 10:37:00 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how "Harlem Shake" holds up this week on the HOT 100. 20 million or fewer YouTube views would likely result in it being demoted to #2. Its' sales are dropping off faster then I expected, and radio airplay has not taken off as yet.
The ITunes popbars were very accurate last week. "When I Was Your Man" and "Stay" were neck and neck with only 4,000 downloads separating them. It could be even closer this week if current trends hold (I think WIWYM is at 1.000 and Stay is at 0.9938).
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Post by trumandare on Mar 13, 2013 10:46:49 GMT -5
this makes sense, im impressed you guys are such experts on chart things in my normal life i cannot talk to anybody about those things where is the airplay update?
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Post by RadioBeatz on Mar 13, 2013 11:09:28 GMT -5
This would have been "Thrift Shop" 8th week at #1 >:( and DAMN! 9 weeks selling over 300k, such a HUGE smash.
I hope "Harlem Shake" drops today.
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Post by trumandare on Mar 13, 2013 11:26:10 GMT -5
contrary to harlem shake people buy thrift shop 300,000+ copies per week is good
plus it has overwhelming airplay on us radio
billboard hot 100 rules change was stupid ,youtube has power and influence but not that much
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Post by velaxti on Mar 13, 2013 11:29:20 GMT -5
Digital in 2003 and 2004 was so new it would have had nearly zero impact Digital sales in 2003 would have very little impact with the possible exception of "Hey Ya" by Outkast which was I believe the first song to sell more than 10,000 in a week. During the latter part of 2004 there were some songs that would have placed much higher on the HOT 100 if digital sales had been included (especially at the generous ratio of 5:1 that was introduced in 2005). "1985" by Bowling For Soup, "Vertigo" by U2, and "Stacy's Mom" by Fountains of Wayne are songs that would have made the top 15 maybe even the top 10 in the Fall/Winter of 2004. Wow thanks for this information. Yeah, I heard about Stacy's Mom being big digitally. Also Hollaback Girl as well. I'm not sure if that would've got #1 if it was the airplay dominated formula of 2004. By the end of the decade downloads probably won't be that big anymore, and the Hot 100 might become mainly radio and streaming. iTunes are even planning to start their own music streaming service soon, as are Google/Youtube.
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Post by cesarams on Mar 13, 2013 11:32:04 GMT -5
WEDNESDAY'S UPDATE: TOP 20:
1. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 178.757 (+ 1.106) 2. TAYLOR SWIFT – I Knew You Were Trouble: 171.526 (- 2.394) 3. MAROON 5 – Daylight: 152.289 (+ 1.276) 4. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Suit & Tie f/JAY Z: 146.905 (+ 2.809) ▲ 5. SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA – Don't You Worry Child: 144.833 (- 2.524) ▼ 6. BRUNO MARS – Locked Out Of Heaven: 141.269 (- 1.891) 7. BRUNO MARS – When I Was Your Man: 139.573 (+ 4.578) ▲ 8. WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS – Scream And Shout: 137.726 (- 0.757) ▼ 9. LUMINEERS – Ho Hey: 116.628 (- 1.096) 10. CALVIN HARRIS – Sweet Nothing f/Florence Welch: 109.285 (+ 0.336) 11. KELLY CLARKSON – Catch My Breath: 99.494 (- 1.055) 12. MUMFORD & SONS – I Will Wait: 87.661 (+ 1.390) ▲ 13. PINK – Try: 87.122 (- 1.606) ▼ 14. IMAGINE DRAGONS – It's Time: 85.285 (- 0.314) 15. RIHANNA – Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 84.826 (+ 2.961) ▲ 16. RIHANNA – Pour It Up: 83.762 (+ 0.202) ▼ 17. PITBULL – Feel This Moment f/C. Aguilera: 77.231 (+ 1.927) ▲ 18. A$AP ROCKY – F**kin Problems f/Drake: 76.307 (- 0.193) ▼ 19. OF MONSTERS AND MEN – Little Talks: 65.861 (- 0.518) 20. MAROON 5 – One More Night: 65.523 (- 0.808)
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BLAKE SHELTON – Sure Be Cool If You Did: 66.159 (+ 0.253) CARRIE UNDERWOOD – Two Black Cadillacs: 63.545 (+ 0.505) DRAKE – Started From The Bottom: 58.593 (+ 1.214) LIL WAYNE – Love Me f/Drake & Future: 56.086 (+ 1.296) FUN. – Carry On: 52.784 (+ 0.969) LADY ANTEBELLUM – Downtown: 49.920 (+ 0.671) OLLY MURS – Troublemaker f/Flo Rida: 39.664 (+ 0.330) PINK – Just Give Me A Reason: 39.184 (+ 2.390) DEMI LOVATO – Heart Attack: 37.184 (+ 2.315) MUSE – Madness: 36.180 (+ 0.418) KREWELLA – Alive: 35.934 (+ 0.657) EMELI SANDE – Next To Me: 28.065 (+ 0.560) ICONA POP – I Love It f/Charli XCX: 26.050 (+ 0.888) FALL OUT BOY – My Songs Know What You Did…: 25.630 (+ 0.518) BRAD PAISLEY – Beat This Summer: 14.502 (+ 1.257) TAYLOR SWIFT – 22: 12.670 (+ 2.036) JUSTIN BIEBER – Right Here f/Drake: 10.381 (+ 0.588) LUMINEERS – Stubborn Love: 10.374 (+ 0.007) MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Can't Hold Us f/Ray Dalton: 10.163 (+ 0.859) PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Gone, Gone, Gone: 9.758 (+ 0.113) BAAUER – Harlem Shake: 9.382 (- 0.080) CHER LLOYD – With Ur Love f/Juicy J: 9.358 (+ 0.304) CIARA – Body Party: 1.623
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Post by SuperTrouper on Mar 13, 2013 11:33:59 GMT -5
Regarding the digital sales: Is it just a natural increase for Bruno and Rihanna or were they featured on somewhere?
Same goes for P!nk. How did she jump all the way to the top 10?
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Post by Rocky on Mar 13, 2013 11:42:08 GMT -5
What the hell Bruno?! :o The next #1 on airplay for sure.
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Post by trumandare on Mar 13, 2013 11:46:25 GMT -5
MUSE – Madness: 36.180 (+ 0.418)
wow nice for a band whose songs only kroq in la played in 2007
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Post by popstop on Mar 13, 2013 11:49:29 GMT -5
^ Well I know I heard a song form them in Washington, DC called "Time is Running Out" a few years before 2007, so it wasn't the only one. :) And I didn't realize the airplay was so male-heavy right now. 9 of the top 10 are men. There's only Taylor (and Flo Welch as a feature, though being called a feature when you're the only singer on a song is bizarre.) Edit: Oh, I forgot Britney. But I'm convinced that's not her voice in the song anyhow.
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Post by imbondz on Mar 13, 2013 12:10:18 GMT -5
Ok let's see if Billy Joel's New York State of Mind renters the charts based on that live performance going viral. Ha
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 12:29:18 GMT -5
^ Well I know I heard a song form them in Washington, DC called "Time is Running Out" a few years before 2007, so it wasn't the only one. :) And I didn't realize the airplay was so male-heavy right now. 9 of the top 10 are men. There's only Taylor (and Flo Welch as a feature, though being called a feature when you're the only singer on a song is bizarre.) Edit: Oh, I forgot Britney. But I'm convinced that's not her voice in the song anyhow. Even if it's not her voice it would be a female...
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Post by crystalphnx on Mar 13, 2013 12:36:55 GMT -5
Baauer Leads Hot 100 Again, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis Rule Hot 100 Airplay[/u] Baauer commands the Billboard Hot 100 for a fourth week with "Harlem Shake," although the viral sensation logs a second straight week of declines in YouTube streaming. The chart's No. 2 song, and former four-week No. 1, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis' "Thrift Shop," featuring Wanz, meanwhile, ascends to the top of the Hot 100 Airplay chart while holding atop the Hot Digital Songs survey. "Shake" entered the Hot 100 at No. 1 three weeks ago, concurrent with the addition of U.S. YouTube video streaming data to the chart. (To recap: YouTube streaming data now factors into the Hot 100 (and other genre charts), enhancing a mix of data that includes digital download track sales (and physical singles sales), as tracked by Nielsen SoundScan, as well as terrestrial radio airplay, on-demand audio streaming, and online radio streaming, as tracked by Nielsen BDS.) Online momentum for "Shake," the viral smash thanks to the song's (and dance's) runaway meme (in which a person dances to the song alone for 15 seconds before others join in for the clip's second half), declines for a second consecutive week, although not as sharply as last week; and, its totals are still far ahead of its closest competitors. "Shake" holds at No. 1 on the BDS-based Streaming Songs chart with a 10% decrease to 48 million streams, down from 54 million last week and 98 million the week before. Sales also slide by 19% to 186,000, as "Shake" dips 3-4 on the Hot Digital Songs chart. Still, the song passes 1 million in downloads sold to date. "Shake" also slips in on-demand audio streaming and radio airplay. It retreats 15-16 on the subscription services-based On-Demand Songs chart with 6320,000 streams (down 23%). Its total radio audience weakens by 2% to 7.8 million, a sum not strong enough for "Shake" to yet appear on the 75-position-deep all-format Hot 100 Airplay chart. As pointed out in Friday's (March 8) "Weekly Chart Notes" column, "Shake" is the first Hot 100 No. 1 not to reach Hot 100 Airplay since Taylor Hicks' "Do I Make You Proud" in 2006. (Hicks' ballad reigned largely due to sales following his "American Idol" coronation that year.) As "Shake" again rules the Hot 100 (and the Dance/Electronic Songs chart), Macklemore & Lewis' "Shop" remains at No. 2 following a four-week reign and climbs 2-1 on Hot 100 Airplay (120 million, up 3%). The track is the first Hot 100 Airplay leader for a debut rap act since B.o.B's "Nothin' On You," featuring Bruno Mars, in 2010. "Shop" also tops Hot Digital Songs for a ninth week and, with 306,000 in digital sales (down 10%), extends its record for the most weeks (also nine) of 300,000 or more downloads sold. "Shop" leads On-Demand Songs for a 10th week, marking the first domination of double-digit weeks since the chart launched a year ago this week. It tops the list with 1.6 million on-demand streams (down 23%). "Shop" holds at No. 2 on Streaming Songs (9.2 million, down 52%) and leads Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs for a ninth week. "Shake" decreases by 11% in overall Hot 100 chart points and "Shop" drops by 4%, granting the former a two-to-one points lead over the latter for a second straight week. The margin had been approximately three-and-half-to-one in each of the first two weeks that "Shake" led the list. Mars' "When I Was Your Man" holds at No. 3 and claims the Hot 100's top Airplay Gainer award for a fifth consecutive week, representing the longest streak since Maroon 5's "One More Night" claimed the honor for five consecutive frames in September/October (and the longest by a male since Eminem racked five such weeks in 2010 with "Love the Way You Lie," featuring Rihanna). The piano-and-vocal ballad rises 9-7 on Hot 100 Airplay (95 million, up 16%) and 7-6 on Streaming Songs (3.7 million, up 5%) and keeps at No. 2 on Hot Digital Songs (240,000, up 4%). Speaking of Rihanna, her "Stay," featuring Mikky Ekko, pushes 5-4 on the Hot 100 after reaching a peak to date of No. 3 three weeks ago (following her performance of the song at the Grammy Awards on Feb. 10). The love song surges 23-16 on Hot 100 Airplay (55 million, up 18%) and 5-3 on Hot Digital Songs (236,000, up 12%). It additionally crashes the 1 million downloads-sold barrier, becoming her 27th title (including featured appearances) to reach the sales milestone. Justin Timberlake's No. 4-peaking "Suit & Tie," featuring Jay-Z, returns to the Hot 100's top five (8-5) for the first time since it roared 84-4 seven weeks ago (following its first full week of impact). It makes identical 7-5 advances on Hot 100 Airplay (98 million, up 9%) and Hot Digital Songs (151,000, up 7%), surely aided by his duties as host and musical guest on NBC's "Saturday Night Live" (March 9). He's currently amid a week-long residency on the network's "Late Night With Jimmy Fallon" ahead of the release of his third solo album, The 20/20 Experience (March 19). Rounding out the Hot 100's top 10, Taylor Swift's No. 2-peaking "I Knew You Were Trouble." descends 4-6; Drake's "Started From the Bottom" regresses to No. 7 from its No. 6 peak so far; will.i.am and Britney Spears' No. 3 hit "Scream & Shout" drops 7-8; Lil Wayne's "Love Me," featuring Drake and Future, returns to the top 10 at a new highpoint (11-9); and, Mars' former six-week No. 1 "Locked Out of Heaven" slips 9-10 in its 23rd week on the chart (and 20th frame in the top 10). Check Billboard.biz tomorrow (March 14), when all rankings, including the Hot 100, Hot 100 Airplay, Hot Digital Songs and On-Demand Songs, will be refreshed, as they are each Thursday. www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/chart-alert/1551798/baauer-leads-hot-100-again-macklemore-ryan-lewis-rule-hot-100
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 12:46:57 GMT -5
'Thrift Shop' is the first song in history to top BOTH the sales and airplay charts in the same week and NOT be #1 overall.
I am inclined to agree that too much weight is given to youtube.
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Post by colson on Mar 13, 2013 12:51:06 GMT -5
TS will probably be back to #1 again next week. I wonder how many weeks it'll finally end up with at #1....and think about those 4 additional weeks it could've had if it wasn't for the BB rule changes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 12:55:56 GMT -5
""Shake" decreases by 11% in overall Hot 100 chart points and "Shop" drops by 4%, granting the former a two-to-one points lead over the latter for a second straight week."
Still a huge difference and it's falling a lot slower.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 12:56:01 GMT -5
I agree with the rule changes in general and agreed with them up until this week. I find it a bit silly that one of the three chart components trumps the other two.
Songs have failed to top either chart before and still finish #1 but usually when you top both #1 is a sure thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 12:59:20 GMT -5
Thrift Shop
#1 sales #1 airplay #1 On Demand #2 overall
Harlem Shake
#4 sales #16 On Demand Not charting - airplay #1 overall
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Post by crystalphnx on Mar 13, 2013 13:08:23 GMT -5
it's very weird to see a song that's No. 1 in sales AND airplay not be No. 1 on the Hot 100.
but, as someone who's griped about with the weighing of airplay in the past, I hesitate to complain about Billboard putting so much power in the hands of the listeners. with YouTube, we pick exactly which song we want to hear, and we can hear it for free (as long as you have internet access, of course). shouldn't the component that listeners have the most direct power over be given the most weight in terms of popularity?
now counting 30-second clips of a song is a separate issue...
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Mar 13, 2013 13:09:18 GMT -5
I have already expressed my opinion (probably too much) on the new HOT 100 methodology.
Here is my rough estimate of the top 3 songs:
Harlem Shake = 138,795 (85.8% from passive streaming) Thrfit Shop = 68,500 When I Was Your Man = 44,417
Harlem Shake without any sales or airplay, would have had to have about 28 million streams to be #1 this week.
I will let the Pulse readers ponder what this could mean for the next few weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 13:18:06 GMT -5
I think Harlem Shake has 3-4 more weeks at #1, at least.
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Post by jebsib on Mar 13, 2013 13:21:24 GMT -5
I am going to predict that the weighting will change by the end of this year. It may not change immediately (to save face or to avoid the impression of 'giving in' to a perceived mistake). I thought we'd be ok last week with the huge decline, but at this level of attrition, it could take 5 more weeks for a new #1. And that could be a similar fad song.
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Post by RadioBeatz on Mar 13, 2013 13:22:57 GMT -5
Thrift Shop is CLEARLY the most popular song in America right now. Shame on Billboard.
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Post by upsidedown on Mar 13, 2013 13:28:30 GMT -5
So Harlem Shake has barely any airplay & is like #5 in sales, and somehow is the #1 song in the country for the 3rd week? This is getting ridiculous.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 13, 2013 13:31:45 GMT -5
2m, is that an actual reported/researched stat, regarding a track being both No. 1 in airplay and sales and not being No. 1 on the Hot 100? Would make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 13:33:20 GMT -5
Ideally the formula would have had Harlem Shake rightfully contesting the #1 spot against Thrift Shop the first two weeks (likely beating it in chart points by a bit; but nowhere near 3x as many points or even 1.5x as many points). But the third and forth weeks it should have been a clear runner-up. Ideally the formula would have also been enough to bridge the gaps in close weeks between Gangnam Style and One More Night; with Gangnam Style being slightly ahead most of the time due to having good airplay and sales and streaming with youtube pushing it ahead; but also not anywhere near 2x or 3x the points of One More Night.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Mar 13, 2013 13:33:29 GMT -5
I can't w/Billboard anymore.
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Post by crystalphnx on Mar 13, 2013 13:35:55 GMT -5
I really think the problem is more about the inclusion of 30-second clips than the weighing of YouTube streams.
the HS meme is a phenomenon that specifically involves 30-second clips, so it's incredibly easy for people to make/upload their own and for people to watch them over and over and over. if Billboard only counted streams of full versions of the song, the meme clips wouldn't be propelling HS to No. 1. I realize that gets messy with radio edits and such (how long does a version have to be to count?), so I don't have a perfect solution right now, but I still think Billboard was moving in the right direction by giving power to a format that listeners control directly, for free.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 13:40:28 GMT -5
2m, is that an actual reported/researched stat, regarding a track being both No. 1 in airplay and sales and not being No. 1 on the Hot 100? Would make sense. I was going to just state it as an opinion but I think it is a fact because to me it is stating the obvious. Sales only or sales/airplay have been the components since inception. Only last year did we get streaming. Although I didn't look it up, #1 sales and #1 airplay is an obvious #1 or at least it was.
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