Billboard Hot 100: 03/23/13

[moore746]

Mar 12, 2013 19:35:38 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

Mar 12, 2013 19:26:53 GMT -5 jebsib said:

QML, it really is generational. Fred Bronson used to say that the music that is popular when you are 14 years old is usually the music that you love above all else.

For some kids born in 1989, 2003 was probably the best year of music ever! To many of us, it was right in the middle of when identity-crisis riddled CHR couldn't decide whether to go entirely hip-hop rhythmic, when the labels officially killed the commercial single (leading to Hot 100 chaos), and when some of the biggest pop stars in history couldn't get a hit.

I've always heard that, which is funny to me, because I was 14 in 2002/2003 and that's one of my least favorite periods for music in my lifetime. In the past few years, I've kind of grown out of most of the music on pop radio though.

I too was born in 1989 and do not look on to 2003 very fondly...

[josh]

Guesses on whether "Harlem Shake" will be #1 again or not?

I'm gonna say... Yes, but another pretty big YouTube drop. Meaning its last week at #1, hopefully.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

I think its going to fall from #1.

[velaxti]

I'm not sure, but if I had to I'd guess that Harlem Shake will get another (and its last) week at #1.

[trumandare]

Billboard hot 100 are not representative and never had been, how can it be that MADNESS by muse has 36mllion audience impressions, top 50 on hot digital tracks, added by several pop stations

but was removed from the hot 100 !

due to billboard rules.

by the way im shocked by the fact that mariah carey did not receive airplay on us radio
triumphant made # 115
almost home -not even bubbling under

is this a boycott ?

[jebsib]

If 'Billboard Hot 100 is not representative, and never had been' ... what has?

[Quixotic Music Lover]

I started taking an interest in music when I was 13 (1974), which is considered one of the worse years for music in the rock era (ie since 1955). The #1 songs of that year are notorious. "Seasons In The Sun", "Hooked On A Feeling", "The NIght Chicago Died", "Billy Don't Be A Hero", "Kung Fu Fighting", "You're Having My Baby", and the list goes on.

I have most of those songs on my Ipod, not because I think they are works of art (god forbid, a Mozart symphony is a work of art, "Seasons In The Sun" is pure schlock), but because they bring back memories.

My favourite period of pop music is 1964-69, when Top40 radio would play just about any form of music. Look at a Top 10 from 1966 and you will see R&B, pop, rock and folk.

Starting in the 1970s with the consolidation of record companies followed by the consolidation of radio stations in later decades, resulted in pop music becoming much more predictable and conservative.

[Quixotic Music Lover]

Mar 12, 2013 21:39:47 GMT -5 @2m said:

Mar 12, 2013 21:05:44 GMT -5 velaxti said:

I wonder what the Hot 100 would have been like had they included iTunes ever since it since it started in 2003.

I don't know if it would've made that much of a difference though. I mean, in the UK it's an all sales chart, and R&B and hip hop still dominated there during that time (not as much as in the US of course, but still enough that it was causing pop fans to be very angry).

On that note, I wonder if Lil Wayne will be back in the top 10 of the Hot 100 this week.

Digital in 2003 and 2004 was so new it would have had nearly zero impact

Digital sales in 2003 would have very little impact with the possible exception of "Hey Ya" by Outkast which was I believe the first song to sell more than 10,000 in a week.

During the latter part of 2004 there were some songs that would have placed much higher on the HOT 100 if digital sales had been included (especially at the generous ratio of 5:1 that was introduced in 2005).

"1985" by Bowling For Soup, "Vertigo" by U2, and "Stacy's Mom" by Fountains of Wayne are songs that would have made the top 15 maybe even the top 10 in the Fall/Winter of 2004.

[Deleted]

Mar 13, 2013 5:46:31 GMT -5 trumandare said:

Billboard hot 100 are not representative and never had been, how can it be that MADNESS by muse has 36mllion audience impressions, top 50 on hot digital tracks, added by several pop stations

but was removed from the hot 100 !

due to billboard rules.

by the way im shocked by the fact that mariah carey did not receive airplay on us radio
triumphant made # 115
almost home -not even bubbling under

is this a boycott ?

Respresntative of what? why?

Muse had a 25 week run. Once it starts declining at radio, if there is not enough steam to get it to top 50, that's it.

Regarding Mariah Carey - boycott?

[jebsib]

^ Those three titles (1985, Vertigo, Stacy) appearing so predominately on the digital tracks chart in 2004, was the first evidence that we were ultimately going to get out of the Hip-Hop tsunami of 2001-2005.

I have often wondered how the 2000s would have been different if digital sales were at high levels as early as 2001. If there was no gap between strong commercial single and digital sales, I suspect that the Hot 100 would have had a lot more variety in the early part of the decade. Back then pop/rock consumers were heavy iTunes users and we would not have had three straight years of 90% hip hop based top twenties.

[HolidayGuy]

Not sure how anyone can be "shocked" by Mimi's lack of airplay (label-solicited or not). Granted, I would expect her next new single to fare better, as it will be closer to the album release (though I also thought "Triumphant" and this latest single would fare better than they did, whether in airplay and/or sales).

The Billboard chart always has been as representative as it could be./ At times, it took perhaps a little longer to make some changes than it could have, but, in the end, it adapts to the changing environment.

[trumandare]

its not fair, that radio + sales are in the hot 100 system

look at 2005 year end # 1 hot 100 We belong together, it sold only 500,000 copies in that year

in the same year green day and others sold 1,6 million singles but were only at # 10 on the year end charts, is that fair ? due to lack of airplay on pop radio

but one thing is an effort Digital sales ! in the 2000s singles sales were dead Nickelback for example shipped 500,000 singles of how you remind me , but made # 1 on the hot 100 year end

nowadays there are artists with even 5x 6xPlatinum !

[jebsib]

So... you would rather not have airplay and exclude millions of weekly audience impressions?

Or you would rather not have sales, and exclude millions of downloads?

We Belong Together was heard by over 200 million people at its weekly crest and is the third longest running #1 of the rock era. It shouldn't have been the #1 song of 2005?

[trumandare]

this is not democracy

what people like and buy should be counted and not what radio stations want to be a hit

[bornfearless2000]

Mar 13, 2013 8:18:14 GMT -5 trumandare said:

this is not democracy

what people like and buy should be counted and not what radio stations want to be a hit

but what radio stations play is what people request...

it's should be airplay and sales only.

[HolidayGuy]

^Believe what people may, radio does take into account what listeners want to hear- at least for the long term. When a big-name act has released a new single, it usually received a fair amount if play out of the gate, based on anticipation, whatnot. But, if the track doesn't connect with the general listening public, after a handful of weeks, radio will drop it.

[Deleted]

2005 was not a singles driven market, it was starting to be but not quite there yet.

To an extent, the people do not control what is on radio the same way they control what is on top of itunes but radio stations do not have TOTAL control over what is played, if they did they would not be on the air very long.

[trumandare]

it doesnt make sense to say that radio plays songs which people want

older artists release new material, but boycotted on us radio, nobody else than die hard fans know these songs

there are many musicians who release each year records and people unknown of this ask them WHEN you will release new material . long time nothing heard of you

[HolidayGuy]

^With older acts, that's just the nature of the biz, especially in recent times, unfortunately. "Boycott" wouldn't be the proper word, as that would mean those acts did something to make stations boycott them- and all they did was grow older. :)

It is what it is. The majority of younger listeners aren't seeking out older acts, so radio follows suit.

[Deleted]

Mar 13, 2013 8:30:50 GMT -5 trumandare said:

it doesnt make sense to say that radio plays songs which people want

older artists release new material, but boycotted on us radio, nobody else than die hard fans know these songs

there are many musicians who release each year records and people unknown of this ask them WHEN you will release new material . long time nothing heard of you

If Joe Radio PD plays his own personal preferences at his station, Joe Radio PD will lose listeners, when Joe Radio loses listeners, Joe Radio also loses advertisers, when Joe Radio loses advertisers, Joe Radio loses money. So Joe Radio has an incentive to play what his listeners want.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Mar 13, 2013 8:23:58 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

^Believe what people may, radio does take into account what listeners want to hear- at least for the long term. When a big-name act has released a new single, it usually received a fair amount if play out of the gate, based on anticipation, whatnot. But, if the track doesn't connect with the general listening public, after a handful of weeks, radio will drop it.

This is not always true. I've always said radio is bias. If you really want to give a song a chance then really spin the song, not spin once or twice a day...ofcourse the audience impressions are gonna be low.
People are always like :o with songs 2-3M+ audience impressions in one day...but look how many spins it got, like 200+, so ofcourse theres going to be more chances for the public to catch it on radio.

[HolidayGuy]

Those anticipated singles usually do get more than one or two spins in a day (like we've seen). But, when they get older, it just may not happen that way.

As for lesser-known acts, that may be true in a lot of cases. With them, though, oftentimes buzz spreads and then airplay picks up.

[jebsib]

Can we really say 'boycott'?

How about "this older artist is not seen as culturally relevant by the target demographic of our station and we may lose advertising revenue if we continue to play their song at the desired levels of her energized aging fan base"?

[Deleted]

Mar 13, 2013 9:04:37 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Can we really say 'boycott'?

How about "this older artist is not seen as culturally relevant by the target demographic of our station and we may lose advertising revenue if we continue to play their song at the desired levels of her energized aging fan base"?

I agree

It is quite possible that the core audience of Mariah Carey has gotten older. They may have even aged out of the audience age group that pop stations target.

Mariah, to the younger crowd, may not be the legend to be honored and revered forever with 18 #1's. It is possible, that Mariah could be best known today (to the younger crowd) as the lady who sang a duet with Justin Bieber.

[Deleted]

All this arguing and I just want an update 😞

[trumandare]

i agree to most of the things you guys have mentioned absolutely

mariah should think about a strategy to sell records, for example rod stewart , celine dion etc. those who sell albums ! without radio hits,

rod stewart several 1xPLATINUM records since 2005 but no hot 100 entry

she should focus her career on making arty songs with cultural worth

or strategy 2 she should work with newer acts, (like Bustin Jieber)as you mentioned

aretha franklin had with 47 # 1 hot 100 hit with then young george michael

dusty springfield 48 # 2 hot 100 with help of pet shop boys

[jebsib]

trumandare, Aretha and Dusty had those #1s in the 80s. That decade was famous for middle-aged superstars having hits like Paul McCartney, Genesis, Steve Winwood and the Beach Boys. Pop radio was very different then. Now radio stations have researched that older artists don't connect with Top 40 audiences emotionally.

[HolidayGuy]

Billboard.com:
Over on the Digital Songs chart, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis' "Thrift Shop" spends a ninth straight week at No. 1, selling 306,000 downloads (down 6%). It's the longest run at No. 1 since Sept. 26, 2009, when the Black Eyed Peas' "I Gotta Feeling" wrapped a 10-week reign at No. 1.

At No. 2 this week is Bruno Mars' "When I Was Your Man," holding in the runner-up slot with 240,000 (up 4%). Rihanna's "Stay" (featuring Mikky Ekko) climbs 5-3 with 236,000 (up 12%) and Baauer's "Harlem Shake" slips 3-4 with 186,000 (down 19%).

Justin Timberlake's "Suit & Tie" (featuring Jay-Z) rises 7-5 with 151,000 (up 7%) and Drake's "Started From the Bottom" is stationary at No. 6 with 128,000 (down 10%).

Pitbull's "Feel This Moment" (featuring Christina Aguilera) drives 11-7 with 125,000 (up 21%) as the song breaks into the top 15 (16-14) on the Mainstream Top 40 chart. The tune is also the soundtrack to new TV commercials for ABC's "Dancing With the Stars."

P!nk's "Just Give Me a Reason" (featuring Nate Ruess) soars 25-8 on Digital Songs with 122,000 sold (up 91%). It's the latest radio-promoted single from P!nk's "The Truth About Love" album, and the song rises 30-25 on the Mainstream Top 40 chart this week.

Imagine Dragons "Radioactive," which is currently in its fourth straight week at No. 1 on the Alternative airplay chart, jumps 12-9 on Digital Songs with 111,000 sold (up 11%).

Closing out the top 10 on Digital Songs is Demi Lovato's "Heart Attack," which drops 4-10 with 107,000 (down 50%).

Digital track sales this past week totaled 25.44 million downloads, down 3% compared with last week (26.12 million) and down 1% stacked next to the comparable week of 2012 (25.76 million). Year to date track sales are at 278.82 million, down 2% compared to the same total at this point last year (283.80 million).

[trumandare]

only partly true

when diana ross had a number 1 hit with Chain reaction in 1980 she was the oldest woman to have a hit

aretha, dustin, gene pitney and all of those old peoples careers ended in the 70s and then with the help of younger people they could have hits

in the 80s genesis and the ex beatles were in their 30s

genesis and paul mccartney both lost airplay in the early 90s

when they were 40,41 genesis we cant dance was their last hitalbum

paul mccartney had his last entry on the hot 100 with hope of deliverance (awesome song=

[Push The Button]

trumandare, the 80's also had a generation of baby boomers who were raised on top 40 of the 60's, so the landscape of music at the time was vastly different. That was a HUGE market that was being serviced by Top 40.

Due to decades of extensive marketing strategies and studies, radio has determined that the greatest revenue comes when young listeners listen to music that is catered to them. That's what it boils down to - money.