Billboard Hot 100: 03/30/13

[Au$tin]

Mar 15, 2013 16:03:19 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Mar 15, 2013 15:21:24 GMT -5 ƒony (Les taches faibles™) said:

6 #1's...

7. Unless you're talking about pop radio, because yes Katy's had 10 #1's there.

They're talking about Paula Abdul.

[Lozzy]

Mar 15, 2013 16:03:19 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Mar 15, 2013 15:21:24 GMT -5 ƒony (Les taches faibles™) said:

6 #1's...

7. Unless you're talking about pop radio, because yes Katy's had 10 #1's there.

She's only had nine pop #1's.

1. "Hot N Cold"
2. "Waking Up In Vegas"
3. "California Gurls"
4. "Teenage Dream"
5. "Firework"
6. "E.T."
7. "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)"
8. "The One That Got Away"
9. "Wide Awake"

[Az Paynter]

IKAG was #1 on the Pop Airplay chart, which is/was ranked by audience. It only got to #2 on spins.

[Lozzy]

Mar 15, 2013 17:22:24 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

IKAG was #1 on the Pop Airplay chart, which is/was ranked by audience. It only got to #2 on spins.

Do you mean the Pop 100 or something? Because if not, I have no idea which chart you mean.

[Verisimilitude]

I think he means the now defunct Pop 100 Airplay chart.

[Lozzy]

Mar 15, 2013 17:48:47 GMT -5 Verisimilitude said:

I think he means the now defunct Pop 100 Airplay chart.

Oh, that one; thanks. It's still nine if you have to use two different measures to get to ten though.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I think the Paula comparison is a good one for Katy. Despite an incredible era, I can totally see Katy's popularity dwindling with the next one. Especially if they wait. While she had her own space on pop radio, she's easily replaceable.

[Deleted]

I don't find Katy comparable to Paula at all, and it's definitely too early to judge anything about what's going to happen with her third album. I'm never a fan of trying to draw these parallels between current superstars and past superstars and try to make predictions about how an artist's career will likely pan out based on that, but the music industry has been so changed by the Internet that it's much more difficult for an artist to have the kind of dominance Paula did with her first two albums and then fade into complete irrelevance and have a third album go largely unnoticed. An artist may fade after a hit lead single from the third album following up two huge smashes, but it's unlikely the entire project would bomb as hard as Paula's third did.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I don't think Katy would bomb as bad as Paula did if she comes out with something within the next year or so. Paula did wait 3? 4? years between her second and third album. With a pop star like Katy (or Paula), there's only so much waiting you can do before you realize you don't actually miss them anymore and then you easily move on.

But yes, the industry has changed a ton since then anyway. I'm not necessarily saying Katy's situation will be like Paula's but if I had to compare it to any situation from the past, it sounds like the best one to me, which is why I don't think Katy should wait too long to put out a new single.

[Verisimilitude]

Plus, Paula released an Arabic-sounding pop song ("My Love Is For Real") that was so out of trend with what was popular on radio... Urban / R&B, Hot AC, and eurodance. I don't think she even promoted the album that much except for the videos.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

The song wasn't a good song and the album as a whole as weak. Nothing could save her from flopping with that album.

[jebsib]

By 1995, Paula was seen as less-Janet Jackson and more Taylor Dayne. She really suffered from the major musical sea change that started in 1992.

[Deleted]

Keep trying eventually you guys will get it right. First she was a one hit wonder, than Hot & Cold was a fluke. Then she's a 1 album wonder....Now she's a two album wonder :).

Not saying she won't flop next era, but if I was a betting man......

[Junkiex]

Mar 15, 2013 18:03:18 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

... it's much more difficult for an artist to have the kind of dominance Paula did with her first two albums and then fade into complete irrelevance and have a third album go largely unnoticed.

Wasn't this the case with Nelly Furtado? Her last album did nothing, Loose was HUGE and her previous two, moderate!

[Deleted]

Mar 15, 2013 22:00:29 GMT -5 Junkiex said:

Mar 15, 2013 18:03:18 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

... it's much more difficult for an artist to have the kind of dominance Paula did with her first two albums and then fade into complete irrelevance and have a third album go largely unnoticed.

Wasn't this the case with Nelly Furtado? Her last album did nothing, Loose was HUGE and her previous two, moderate!

It's a bit different when an artist takes a 6+ year break and wasn't really huge in the first place. We're talking about Katy Perry who had a single out as recently as the summer and had a record-breaking project. In this day and age, it would be really difficult for someone like Katy Perry to disappear for less than a year after two successful albums and to have the project be completely dead on arrival. The Internet makes it difficult for that to happen. 20 years ago if radio ignored a single, people wouldn't even know the artist had an album out. Today people have so many other sources to get information about new albums. That's probably also the reason for years and years and years, albums rarely had their biggest sales week in their debut week and now debut weeks are often the biggest sales week an album has in its run.

[chartfreak]

How long did Kesha wait ?

[josh]

"Blow" peaked end of April 2011 but had a slow descent on pop, presumably because there was no new single to replace it. "Die Young" premiered in late September 2012. So almost 1.5 years between singles.

Cannibal was released November 19, 2010 and Warrior November 30, 2012. So just a tad over 2 years between album/EP releases.

[imbondz]

rihanna = paula abdul

[josh]

I feel like this has been asked before and no one really knows, but do we know about how many points #100 typically gets, at least in relation to #1? Is it like, for example, 10x as many points for #1 than #100? 100x? 1000x?

[Az Paynter]

Mar 15, 2013 17:52:44 GMT -5 Lozzy said:

Mar 15, 2013 17:48:47 GMT -5 Verisimilitude said:

I think he means the now defunct Pop 100 Airplay chart.

Oh, that one; thanks. It's still nine if you have to use two different measures to get to ten though.

I didn't keep up with that chart so I don't know when it disappeared. But all of Katy's #1's that were actually #1 on Mediabase were #1 on both spins and audience I think, so had that chart still been in effect today then I think she'd have had 10.

[cesarams]

SATURDAY'S UPDATE: (what happened? ???)
TOP 20:

1. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 160.960 (- 16.751)
2. TAYLOR SWIFT – I Knew You Were Trouble: 152.875 (- 14.546)
3. MAROON 5 – Daylight: 143.013 (- 12.996)
4. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Suit & Tie f/JAY Z: 141.610 (- 9.891)
5. BRUNO MARS – When I Was Your Man: 138.777 (- 8.721)
6. SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA – Don't You Worry Child: 124.262 (- 15.141)
7. BRUNO MARS – Locked Out Of Heaven: 123.441 (- 12.828)
8. WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS – Scream And Shout: 118.716 (- 14.970)
9. CALVIN HARRIS – Sweet Nothing f/Florence Welch: 110.685 (- 0.198) ▲
10. LUMINEERS – Ho Hey: 104.640 (- 9.125) ▼
11. KELLY CLARKSON – Catch My Breath: 88.273 (- 7.577)
12. RIHANNA – Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 85.914 (- 6.595)
13. MUMFORD & SONS – I Will Wait: 82.656 (- 6.517)
14. PINK – Try: 78.941 (- 5.445) ▲
15. RIHANNA – Pour It Up: 78.682 (- 5.905)
16. IMAGINE DRAGONS – It's Time: 77.701 (- 7.300) ▼
17. PITBULL – Feel This Moment f/C. Aguilera: 74.242 (- 6.780)
18. A$AP ROCKY – F**kin Problems f/Drake: 70.212 (- 4.764)
19. BLAKE SHELTON – Sure Be Cool If You Did: 64.319 (- 2.736)
20. CARRIE UNDERWOOD – Two Black Cadillacs: 63.184 (- 1.785) ▲

OTHERS:

OF MONSTERS AND MEN – Little Talks: 60.586 (- 5.622)
HUNTER HAYES – Somebody's Heartbreak: 60.240 (- 1.941)
DRAKE – Started From The Bottom: 56.706 (- 3.501)
LIL WAYNE – Love Me f/Drake & Future: 54.328 (- 3.429)
FUN. – Carry On: 51.793 (- 3.200)
LADY ANTEBELLUM – Downtown: 51.241 (- 0.893)
PINK – Just Give Me A Reason: 40.568 (- 2.859)
DEMI LOVATO – Heart Attack: 37.556 (- 4.047)
OLLY MURS – Troublemaker f/Flo Rida: 36.529 (- 3.927)
MUSE – Madness: 35.609 (- 1.694)
KREWELLA – Alive: 33.709 (- 3.642)
EMELI SANDE – Next To Me: 27.246 (- 1.794)
ICONA POP – I Love It f/Charli XCX: 24.287 (- 2.609)
FALL OUT BOY – My Songs Know What You Did…: 23.855 (- 2.438)
BRAD PAISLEY – Beat This Summer: 17.297 (+ 0.137)
TAYLOR SWIFT – 22: 17.248 (+ 0.151)
MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Can't Hold Us f/Ray Dalton: 12.493 (+ 0.193)
JUSTIN BIEBER – Right Here f/Drake: 10.761 (- 1.024)
PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Gone, Gone, Gone: 9.663 (- 0.338)
LUMINEERS – Stubborn Love: 9.467 (- 0.940)
CHER LLOYD – With Ur Love f/Juicy J: 8.768 (- 1.124)
CIARA – Body Party: 1.855
WILL.I.AM F/JUSTIN BIEBER – #thatpower: (-)

[bornfearless2000]

LOL. i don't know what happened but Carrie got into top 20. yay!

[Deleted]

Great they finally fixed the AI after a year. Guess now for all artists, their 2012 peaks will be way higher.

[Deleted]

well at least it's a re-calibration towards what it was/should be

[hitseeker.]

This is such a mess, but I'm glad it happened. There was such a discrapancy between Mediabase's and BDS's numbers. Nice to know that they're closer now.

*waits for 2014's re-re-re-re-re-re-calibration and AI values to skyrocket again*

[Deleted]

9. CALVIN HARRIS – Sweet Nothing f/Florence Welch: 110.685 (- 0.198) ▲

lol @ everything falling like 5-10-15 million yet this almost gained.

How is this possible though when it lost 8.8 million on Pop?

[Deleted]

And we see "Can't Hold Us" as the only gainer in your update

Oops, and "Beat This Summer"

[Rocky]

If I'm correct they changed mainly Pop/Rhythmic numbers. Nice to see "normal" numbers again, instead of "Locked Out Of Heaven" at ~ 210 M AI, or "I Knew You Were Trouble" with ~ 195 M, while the absolutely dominating "We Found Love" had like ~ 160 M or less in early 2012.

[Deleted]

Mar 16, 2013 9:09:51 GMT -5 @dangermouz said:

And we see "Can't Hold Us" as the only gainer in your update

Oops, and "Beat This Summer"

Also 22. ;)

[josh]

Mar 16, 2013 7:35:38 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Mar 15, 2013 17:52:44 GMT -5 Lozzy said:

Oh, that one; thanks. It's still nine if you have to use two different measures to get to ten though.

I didn't keep up with that chart so I don't know when it disappeared. But all of Katy's #1's that were actually #1 on Mediabase were #1 on both spins and audience I think, so had that chart still been in effect today then I think she'd have had 10.

Official update the week TOTGA was #1. Good Feeling had 5 million more AI. Billboard has different panels, but a difference that big seems like Katy would have not gotten that #1.

2 1 KATY PERRY The One That Got Awa... 13229 13387 -158 79.004
4 2 FLO RIDA Good Feeling 12877 12853 24 84.851
1 3 BRUNO MARS It Will Rain 12687 13559 -872 76.843

The week prior, she still wasn't #1 in audience (or spins), but with a different panel on BB it's possible she could have taken #1 in audience that week.

2 1 BRUNO MARS It Will Rain 13548 13511 37 84.244 86.846
3 2 KATY PERRY The One That Got Awa... 13387 13344 43 79.927 85.814
1 3 RIHANNA We Found Love f/Calv... 13308 13775 -467 91.438 85.308