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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 26, 2013 17:47:30 GMT -5
Yah, I believe Sony shipped a limited number of "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" singles. It dropped 2-11 on the sales chart that week, as it bulleted 14-12* in airplay.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 26, 2013 18:47:56 GMT -5
I think having the folky-type songs in the chart right now is probably the biggest extreme of genres on pop since the very brief swing phase of 1997. I know having country songs on Pop radio is a bit of a stretch but it has been fairly common (to a degree) since... well, since I've been following the pop chart. There have been gaps, of course, but hits by Faith Hill, Lee Ann Womack, Lonestar, right up until Taylor Swift's earlier hits, a few from Carrie Underwood, and other random one-off pop singles.
I think the only thing missing from the pop chart are heavier rock flavoured hits and some more country music but other than that, it seems like the spectrum is accounted for without going into genres like jazz or classical or whatever. Obviously anything that becomes a hit on pop radio still has to have that "pop music" sound so there's going to be some sameness in that respect.
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Post by Au$tin on Mar 26, 2013 19:00:02 GMT -5
Why does it take supremely overplayed artists to make ballads "accepted" at a format that used to play them at length? Because that's just how it works. |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Mar 26, 2013 19:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by jebsib on Mar 26, 2013 20:52:07 GMT -5
Ballads were ubiquitous at Top 40 until the late '90s when it became cliche to say that Celine's MHWGO was so overplayed that it killed the genre. Truly, the tempo-shift that came with the rhythmic and hip-hop explosion meant that programmers lost faith in slower songs that weren't accompanied by strong dance beats. It would take very well known, hip, young stars to turn that around. Like Adele.
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Post by josh on Mar 26, 2013 20:57:34 GMT -5
Lol Adele was not very well known at the time. I don't think she's hip, either. Young she is, although she gives off the persona of a 30+ year old. She's very mature.
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Post by pnobelysk on Mar 26, 2013 22:02:13 GMT -5
I think having the folky-type songs in the chart right now is probably the biggest extreme of genres on pop since the very brief swing phase of 1997. I know having country songs on Pop radio is a bit of a stretch but it has been fairly common (to a degree) since... well, since I've been following the pop chart. There have been gaps, of course, but hits by Faith Hill, Lee Ann Womack, Lonestar, right up until Taylor Swift's earlier hits, a few from Carrie Underwood, and other random one-off pop singles. I think the only thing missing from the pop chart are heavier rock flavoured hits and some more country music but other than that, it seems like the spectrum is accounted for without going into genres like jazz or classical or whatever. Obviously anything that becomes a hit on pop radio still has to have that "pop music" sound so there's going to be some sameness in that respect. we had a rock sound on pop for a while, but I think everyone got very tired of it. this is in reference to nickleback, daughtry, etc |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 0:18:10 GMT -5
Pop radio is getting more diverse again in sound but just looking at the almost uniform Hot 100 top 10 for last year (which was more or less the big hits at CHR at the time) shows just how recently that diversity has started to happen, so I understand why there are still complaints about the lack of it. It will take a little more time before we really see how much things have shifted. Country and urban have yet to be fully invited to the party though. TS is 'alternative' rap and S&T is an aberration based solely on the strength of Justin's name, lbr. Alternative music seems to be carving out its own niche but straightforward rock, not so much, and that is why I'm not surprised Fall Out Boy isn't making a dent (yet). it's still amazing to me that people on Pulse (some of whom have 1000s of posts) still think that just because a song sells well on iTunes - that it is a conspiracy that radio does not play it. Were that the case, Top 40 would be awash with Glee, Country and Justin Bieber album tracks. These simply don't line up with their million dollar bottom line strategy plans. I don't think people believe it's a 'conspiracy,' per se; it's just that there is a (sometimes) mistaken idea that radio's audience and the single-downloading audience would have similar patterns. There has long been the belief that what people heard on the radio was the biggest influence in what people would buy; now people are wondering why what people buy doesn't influence what radio thinks people want to hear. On its face it makes sense to figure that it should be a two-way street, but it's easy to forget that the demographics of the two groups may vary enough that tastes won't always overlap. Sometimes the idea is not that far off the mark though - WAY, STIUTK, and CMM were all digital hits for a while before radio finally jumped on board (and I think RITD too? I'll have to check on that one). I guess the only thing that surprises me about it is how slow radio still is to react in situations where it's pretty clear a song that is selling well is also radio-friendly. FOB falls in this category for me; the hook is so immediate and I feel would have fit in even when we were in the thick of dance-pop domination. |
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Mar 27, 2013 4:43:05 GMT -5
Generally speaking, I think digital downloads reflects the tastes of music lovers while radio airplay reflects the tastes of casual listeners as well as music lovers. Radio programmers have to take into account not only what they think their listeners want to hear, but also what they don't want to hear. Most radio listeners are either in the car or at work, so the music is going on in the background. Music that is edgy or a bit out of the mainstream quite often gets ignored.
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Post by Ballroom Blitzed on Mar 27, 2013 4:58:59 GMT -5
we had a rock sound on pop for a while, but I think everyone got very tired of it. this is in reference to nickleback, daughtry, etc Acceptable trade-off.  |
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Post by trumandare on Mar 27, 2013 6:37:24 GMT -5
MUSE Madness 39.489 +0.673
i already bought the ice cream cups which i lost
next time i will learn my lesson
oh god fallout boy gets so much airplay
unbelievable !
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Post by trumandare on Mar 27, 2013 6:41:07 GMT -5
by the way ADELE is 24 and looks like a 45 year old woman from the Thatcher era  |
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Post by colson on Mar 27, 2013 7:04:56 GMT -5
Adele is only 24?? :o
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Post by Lozzy on Mar 27, 2013 7:06:25 GMT -5
MUSE Madness 39.489 +0.673 i already bought the ice cream cups which i lost next time i will learn my lesson Shouldn't buy the ice cream until it's actually made it! You never know; Mediabase could do another recalibration tomorrow ;) |
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Post by trumandare on Mar 27, 2013 8:25:52 GMT -5
if not i will eat those with my boyfriend adele has said she would take a long break of several years then she will be back the same thing like Katy perry, i hope they wont flop like other massive superstars of the 90s like paula abdul who were gone for a while and came back+ flopped |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 27, 2013 8:47:18 GMT -5
You also need to realize that radio is a huge corporation and many of the stations that account for the airplay charts are part of a bigger company. Isn't it often times not up to the individual PDs to play a single? I've always assumed that now radio has become so calculated that they wait for word before playing certain songs and maybe that's why it takes so long for them to jump on a track that is already a digital hit.
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Post by Push The Button on Mar 27, 2013 8:52:44 GMT -5
You also need to realize that radio is a huge corporation and many of the stations that account for the airplay charts are part of a bigger company. Isn't it often times not up to the individual PDs to play a single? I've always assumed that now radio has become so calculated that they wait for word before playing certain songs and maybe that's why it takes so long for them to jump on a track that is already a digital hit. Most stations are corporate owned these days, but back in my radio days whoever was hosting a certain block of the schedule decided what music to play. Our station was still privately owned at the time, however. |
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Post by trumandare on Mar 27, 2013 8:54:57 GMT -5
i agree with you totally
all things nowadays are calculated, but there are still anomalies for example NELLY FURTADO or MARIAH CAREY who once were guaranteed householders for radiostations but now have zero support
but i agree with you, look at the new Fallout boy single which is supported heavily by radio (20 million audience impressions=
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 9:13:31 GMT -5
"The Phoenix" one? It opened up with that much?
Lol nevermind trumandare's words got me confused
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Post by crystalphnx on Mar 27, 2013 10:05:42 GMT -5
Over on the Digital Songs chart...P!nk's "Just Give Me a Reason" featuring Nate Ruess flies to No. 1, up five slots (241,000; up 42%). It's the third No. 1 on the Digital chart for P!nk, following "So What" in 2008 and "F**kin' Perfect" in 2011. Last week's topper, Macklemore & Ryan Lewis' "Thrift Shop," slips to No. 2 with 234,000 (down 13%). Rihanna's "Stay," featuring Mikky Ekko, is stationary at No. 3 with 222,000 (up less than 1%), while Mars' "When I Was Your Man" is down 2-4 with 216,000 (down 6%). Pitbull's "Feel This Moment," featuring Christina Aguilera, is up 7-5 with 138,000 (up 1%), and Baauer's "Harlem Shake" remains at No. 6 with 114,000 (down 22%). Drake's "Started From the Bottom" climbs 9-7 with 110,000 (despite a 6% decline in sales), Imagine Dragons' "Radioactive" skips 10-8, and will.i.am's "#THATPOWER," featuring Justin Bieber, debuts at No. 9 with 108,000. Closing out the top 10 is Timberlake's "Suit & Tie" (featuring Jay-Z), slipping 4-10 with 101,000 (down 50%). Digital track sales this past week totaled 24.8 million downloads, up 1% compared with last week (24.6 million) and down 3% stacked next to the comparable week of 2012 (25.6 million). Year-to-date track sales are at 328.2 million, down 2% compared with the same total at this point last year (334.6 million). www.billboard.com/articles/news/1554518/justin-timberlake-starts-atop-billboard-200-earns-third-largest-digital-week
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 27, 2013 10:06:30 GMT -5
^Thanks.
A note for BB 200 thread readers: I posted the full BB article in the BB 200 thread (as part of the most recent post).
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Post by velaxti on Mar 27, 2013 10:09:20 GMT -5
I have to say, it's been weird seeing Thrift Shop so high on pop radio. I mean, Thrift Shop is hip hop, and has a beat that the likes of Ja Rule or Fabolous could've rapped on back on the day. Not something that I would've expected to be a hit on pop radio in 2013. That said, I think it helps that the song is boasting about buying cheap things, rather than boasting about buying expensive things like many hip hop songs are.
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Post by josh on Mar 27, 2013 10:10:46 GMT -5
Closing out the top 10 is Timberlake's "Suit & Tie" (featuring Jay-Z), slipping 4-10 with 101,000 (down 50%).
Complete My Album sure hurt him a lot, given he should have been top 5, easily, based on pop bars.
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Post by velaxti on Mar 27, 2013 10:15:42 GMT -5
There's such a HUGE gap between #4 and #5 in the digital chart!
A shame about Suit & Tie's big digital drop this week. Although songs tend to get a big boost in On-Demand streaming on album release week, so hopefully that will help even it out a bit.
I wonder where Pour It Up will chart in the Hot 100 this week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 10:18:31 GMT -5
Unfortunately thrift shop rule is over.Good for Pink!
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Post by Quixotic Music Lover on Mar 27, 2013 10:31:56 GMT -5
After seeing the digital sales numbers I realize that my early prediction will be way off when it comes to "Suit & Tie". Pink may now enter the top 5, and Stay could go as high as #3. It really depends on "Harlem Shake". If its' Youtube #s stay strong it will stay in the top 2.
The BB chart department is probably secretly wishing "Harlem Shake" disappears qucikly considering how its' digital sales have dropped, and airplay has fizzled out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 10:42:40 GMT -5
I was actually fine with "Harlem Shake" being #1 the first week it got there, but now it's been #1 for too long. It's doing very little in airplay, it's not selling all that well anymore, and yet it could still be #1 in points from YouTube. It feels like the whole trend is old news now and over, and yet it's still #1.
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Post by cesarams on Mar 27, 2013 10:46:45 GMT -5
WEDNESDAY'S UPDATE:
TOP 20:
1. BRUNO MARS – When I Was Your Man: 177.730 (+ 3.468)
2. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Suit & Tie f/JAY Z: 159.864 (- 0.242)
3. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 155.600 (+ 0.348)
4. MAROON 5 – Daylight: 148.395 (- 0.692)
5. TAYLOR SWIFT – I Knew You Were Trouble: 132.783 (- 1.963)
6. RIHANNA – Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 109.423 (+ 1.192)
7. BRUNO MARS – Locked Out Of Heaven: 106.415 (- 1.663)
8. CALVIN HARRIS – Sweet Nothing f/Florence Welch: 104.423 (+ 0.216)
9. SWEDISH HOUSE MAFIA – Don't You Worry Child: 98.198 (- 1.629)
10. LUMINEERS – Ho Hey: 96.872 (- 0.846)
11. WILL.I.AM & BRITNEY SPEARS – Scream And Shout: 91.105 (- 3.409)
12. MUMFORD & SONS – I Will Wait: 87.570 (+ 0.870)
13. PITBULL – Feel This Moment f/C. Aguilera: 87.132 (+ 1.078)
14. RIHANNA – Pour It Up: 80.022 (+ 0.747) ▲
15. KELLY CLARKSON – Catch My Breath: 79.234 (- 0.689) ▼
16. IMAGINE DRAGONS – It's Time: 76.859 (+ 0.481)
17. PINK – Try: 71.605 (- 0.286)
18. DRAKE – Started From The Bottom: 65.600 (+ 1.224) ▲
19. BLAKE SHELTON – Sure Be Cool If You Did: 65.230 (- 1.580) ▼
20. PINK – Just Give Me A Reason: 65.118 (+ 1.681) ▲
OTHERS:
A$AP ROCKY – F**kin Problems f/Drake: 63.240 (- 0.815)
LEE BRICE – I Drive Your Truck: 62.847 (+ 0.622)
HUNTER HAYES – Somebody's Heartbreak: 62.700 (+ 0.396)
OF MONSTERS AND MEN – Little Talks: 60.480 (+ 0.222)
FUN. – Carry On: 59.446 (+ 0.520)
LIL WAYNE – Love Me f/Drake & Future: 58.626 (+ 0.620)
LADY ANTEBELLUM – Downtown: 57.112 (+ 0.701)
OLLY MURS – Troublemaker f/Flo Rida: 45.515 (+ 0.662)
DEMI LOVATO – Heart Attack: 44.901 (+ 0.306)
KREWELLA – Alive: 42.531 (+ 1.102)
MUSE – Madness: 39.888 (+ 0.231)
TAYLOR SWIFT – 22: 32.384 (+ 0.973)
EMELI SANDE – Next To Me: 31.653 (+ 0.664)
MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Can't Hold Us f/Ray Dalton: 29.409 (+ 2.109)
ICONA POP – I Love It f/Charli XCX: 28.488 (+ 0.605)
FALL OUT BOY – My Songs Know What You Did…: 28.150 (+ 0.845)
BRAD PAISLEY – Beat This Summer: 28.020 (+ 1.064)
JUSTIN BIEBER – All Around The World: 21.201 (+ 0.460)
PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Gone, Gone, Gone: 13.085 (+ 0.029)
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Mirrors: 11.730 (+ 0.405)
CHER LLOYD – With Ur Love f/Juicy J: 10.924 (+ 0.091)
LUMINEERS – Stubborn Love: 9.926 (- 0.117)
THIRTY SECONDS TO MARS – Up In The Air: 6.644 (+ 0.208)
WILL.I.AM F/JUSTIN BIEBER – #thatpower: 6.445 (+ 0.876)
JOHN LEGEND – Who Do You Think You Are: 4.219
BEYONCE – I Been On: 3.441
C. AGUILERA & B. SHELTON – Just A Fool: 1.853
FALL OUT BOY – The Phoenix: (-)
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Post by Brazilian Guy on Mar 27, 2013 10:52:03 GMT -5
Go ahead Alecia Moore and keep getting those hits!
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Post by velaxti on Mar 27, 2013 11:01:24 GMT -5
I was actually fine with "Harlem Shake" being #1 the first week it got there, but now it's been #1 for too long. It's doing very little in airplay, it's not selling all that well anymore, and yet it could still be #1 in points from YouTube. It feels like the whole trend is old news now and over, and yet it's still #1. Yeah, everybody (at least people I associate with) was talking about Harlem Shake all the time in the first couple of weeks, so I did feel it was very popular, but I haven't heard anybody talk about it recently. I still hear it a lot in clubs though, but that's it. It's a good tune imo, but I hope Thrift Shop gets back to #1 today. I can't believe it's already sold 5 million! I'm glad it will become the best-selling digital song, I prefer it to I Gotta Feeling. |
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