Billboard Hot 100: 04/27/2013

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Apr 16, 2013 19:16:23 GMT -5 @peigan68 said:

Apr 16, 2013 19:08:15 GMT -5 @2m said:

The record setting # of youtube views would suggest that it is popular.

Or a lot of people are just curious.

Radio stations play highly anticipated songs a lot in the first day due to listener curiosity. Those same songs get a lot of first day downloads before listens out of curiosity. Don't knock the curiosity reason. It's a valid one.

[Kurt]

Hmm.

@silpiet: Will there be a new billboard #hot100 No. 1 tomorrow? Could be....

[Au$tin]

Apr 16, 2013 20:05:14 GMT -5 Kurt said:

Hmm.

@silpiet: Will there be a new billboard #hot100 No. 1 tomorrow? Could be....

So "Thrift Shop" is probably not returning and "When I Was Your Man" is probably falling.

So it looks like "Just Give Me a Reason" vs. "Gentleman."

Apr 16, 2013 20:03:16 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Apr 16, 2013 19:16:23 GMT -5 @peigan68 said:

Or a lot of people are just curious.

Radio stations play highly anticipated songs a lot in the first day due to listener curiosity. Those same songs get a lot of first day downloads before listens out of curiosity. Don't knock the curiosity reason. It's a valid one.

The difference here, though, is that usually the sales and airplay hype go together hand-in-hand. "Gentleman" has decent sales at the moment, but almost no airplay. It just feels.... different. Almost like it's lacking something those other hyped songs had. Meh.

[Deleted]

a different type of hype from a media that we are not used to monitoring yet

[Kurt]

Hmm.

@adampyarali
@kurttrowbridge @silpiet billboard my guess is P!nk :)

@kurttrowbridge
@adampyarali @silpiet billboard I think so too...I doubt "Gentleman" could get it with its limited airplay, despite its YouTube views.

@silpiet
@kurttrowbridge @adampyarali Been done before. Bit differently though.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Different in the sense of....you don't like change?

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

A pulse explosion?

[Quixotic Music Lover]

I will believe in the popularity of "Gentleman" if it sells well and explodes at radio and/or on-demand (as "Gangnam Style" did). I remember when "Harlem Shake" debuted at #1 and people were saying it was only a matter of time before it would be embraced by radio. Well I am still waiting. Except for the first three weeks, its' sales fizzled pretty quickly, and it never got higher than #15 on the on-demand streaming chart. Lack of sustained popularity on the other component charts leads me to conclude that the song itself was not that popular.

[Deleted]

Youtube is now a component of popuarity measurement. If we step back a couple years where the components were just sales and airplay, there were lots of examples where big airplay hits did not sell and people bought what radio did not play. So it is obviously possible even then to only be big on one of the cmponents to chart well

In recent examples we have had Psy an Bauuer not just do well but dominate one component. Even in the old days, it would be possible to get to #1 on the srength of just one component of it were dominant enough

[Enigma.]

Has anyone actually estimated how many weeks Gangnam Style would've been #1 if Youtube plays were included then?

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Apr 17, 2013 5:04:27 GMT -5 Quixotic Music Lover said:

I will believe in the popularity of "Gentleman" if it sells well and explodes at radio and/or on-demand (as "Gangnam Style" did). I remember when "Harlem Shake" debuted at #1 and people were saying it was only a matter of time before it would be embraced by radio. Well I am still waiting. Except for the first three weeks, its' sales fizzled pretty quickly, and it never got higher than #15 on the on-demand streaming chart. Lack of sustained popularity on the other component charts leads me to conclude that the song itself was not that popular.

Radio isn't about popularity. It's about what is the least offensive record. That's not exactly a good determinant of what is popular...especially when the end goal is measuring what is the most popular record. Plus it is not even an accurate indication of what people are listening to. Youtube tracking is actually better than radio audience at tracking what people are actually watching/listening to than the ratings for the stations. I'm learning all about com scores and google analytics which tracks what people are listening to from their computers right down to the ip address of the computer. It's far and away more accurate than radio as a measure of a songs popularity....

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Apr 17, 2013 6:59:56 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Has anyone actually estimated how many weeks Gangnam Style would've been #1 if Youtube plays were included then?

Probably 9 weeks at a minimum.

[#Joseph.T]

"Gangnam Style" has 34 weeks #1 in Youtube Hot 100,
I think he broke the world record

[trumandare]

but radio plays songs while on youtube there is a variety of nonsense and fun stuff

harlem shake is not what we classicaly call MUSIC and it is not groundbreaking

it was popular due to the hype dance videos on youtube

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2013 7:30:05 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Apr 17, 2013 6:59:56 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Has anyone actually estimated how many weeks Gangnam Style would've been #1 if Youtube plays were included then?

Probably 9 weeks at a minimum.

Probably..... It was a few points from #1 as it was, without youtube for many weeks.

During its main chart run, it was #1 on youtube for 20 weeks and as of last week was still #1 (since it returned to #1 after giving way to Harlem Shake)

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2013 7:56:40 GMT -5 trumandare said:

but radio plays songs while on youtube there is a variety of nonsense and fun stuff

harlem shake is not what we classicaly call MUSIC and it is not groundbreaking

it was popular due to the hype dance videos on youtube

LOL - it is a dance track and MUSIC, even though people here don't like it.

One person's 'nonsense' is a favorite to another person. I could argue that radio also plays nonsense in that regard.

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2013 7:56:35 GMT -5 #Joseph.T said:

"Gangnam Style" has 34 weeks #1 in Youtube Hot 100,
I think he broke the world record

23 weeks at #1 as of last week on the Billboard youtube chart

[#Joseph.T]

Apr 17, 2013 8:02:15 GMT -5 @2m said:

Apr 17, 2013 7:56:35 GMT -5 #Joseph.T said:

"Gangnam Style" has 34 weeks #1 in Youtube Hot 100,
I think he broke the world record

23 weeks at #1 as of last week on the Billboard youtubce chart

y I saw 34 @

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2013 8:31:02 GMT -5 #Joseph.T said:

Apr 17, 2013 8:02:15 GMT -5 @2m said:

23 weeks at #1 as of last week on the Billboard youtubce chart

y I saw 34 @

You either read it wrong or were looking at the wrong info

Here is the current .biz chart. The top 3 is available for free (no subscription needed)

www.billboard.com/biz/charts/youtube


edit: weeks on chart is 34, not weeks at #1

[#Joseph.T]

Apr 17, 2013 8:38:47 GMT -5 @2m said:

Apr 17, 2013 8:31:02 GMT -5 #Joseph.T said:

y I saw 34 @

You either read it wrong or were looking at the wrong info

Here is the current .biz chart. The top 3 is available for free (no subscription needed)

www.billboard.com/biz/charts/youtube


edit: weeks on chart is 34, not weeks at #1

I think I read it wrong , because I saw 34 #1 so i thought it is 34 weeks # 1 =)

[trumandare]

i hope billboard will again change their rules

i know that billboard is extremely anti PSY

they never had thought that psy could have another hit as he is considered as one hit wonder

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2013 8:52:11 GMT -5 trumandare said:

i hope billboard will again change their rules

i know that billboard is extremely anti PSY

they never had thought that psy could have another hit as he is considered as one hit wonder

I think they're all for PSY. It's a nice change to the chart, and they probably felt that the One More Night/Gangnam Style situation wasn't an accurate presentation of what was the most popular song at the time, so they added YouTube.

[Deleted]

Apr 17, 2013 8:52:11 GMT -5 trumandare said:

i hope billboard will again change their rules

i know that billboard is extremely anti PSY

they never had thought that psy could have another hit as he is considered as one hit wonder

Why is billboard anti anybody? It would seem to me that they are trying to objectively report on popularity and do not hate anybody

Why is Psy considered (or even was considered) a one-hit wonder?

In my opinion, anyone who scores big with a song should not be tagged as a one hit wonder while it is still charting.

[Quixotic Music Lover]

Apr 17, 2013 7:29:29 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Apr 17, 2013 5:04:27 GMT -5 Quixotic Music Lover said:

I will believe in the popularity of "Gentleman" if it sells well and explodes at radio and/or on-demand (as "Gangnam Style" did). I remember when "Harlem Shake" debuted at #1 and people were saying it was only a matter of time before it would be embraced by radio. Well I am still waiting. Except for the first three weeks, its' sales fizzled pretty quickly, and it never got higher than #15 on the on-demand streaming chart. Lack of sustained popularity on the other component charts leads me to conclude that the song itself was not that popular.

Radio isn't about popularity. It's about what is the least offensive record. That's not exactly a good determinant of what is popular...especially when the end goal is measuring what is the most popular record. Plus it is not even an accurate indication of what people are listening to. Youtube tracking is actually better than radio audience at tracking what people are actually watching/listening to than the ratings for the stations. I'm learning all about com scores and google analytics which tracks what people are listening to from their computers right down to the ip address of the computer. It's far and away more accurate than radio as a measure of a songs popularity....

YouTube is indicative of what videos are being watched by a certain demographic, and if a video is watched millions of time each week, then it is pretty safe to say it is popular. I can't confirm this but music lovers in my demographic (> 50 years of age) are more likely to consume music through the radio then on YouTube, so putting such a large weighting on YouTube views skews how popular a song is across all demographics.

When "Gentleman" goes top 3 on sales and/or on-demand streaming then I will be convinced it is a major hit. To my mind until then it is in the same category as Avril Lavigne's latest or will.i.am's, a promising start but still building.

[Quixotic Music Lover]

Apr 17, 2013 6:36:10 GMT -5 @2m said:

Youtube is now a component of popuarity measurement. If we step back a couple years where the components were just sales and airplay, there were lots of examples where big airplay hits did not sell and people bought what radio did not play. So it is obviously possible even then to only be big on one of the cmponents to chart well

In recent examples we have had Psy an Bauuer not just do well but dominate one component. Even in the old days, it would be possible to get to #1 on the srength of just one component of it were dominant enough

I don't know of any song that went to #1 without significant sales in the days when singles were readily available. Even in the pre-soundscan era, songs would not go to #1 without being top 5 in sales points. Occasionally you would get an American Idol song going to #1, but that would only be for 1 maybe 2 weeks then it would disappear. When I talk about a song being popular I am talking about more than a few weeks.

[Deleted]

Sales and airplay do certainly influence each other but they are not 100% dependent. If we looked hard enough we could find cases with high sales and lower than expected airplay and low sales with higher than expected airplay.

You cited American Idol songs, there are probably others

[Ballroom Blitzed]

Apr 17, 2013 8:52:11 GMT -5 trumandare said:

i know that billboard is extremely anti PSY

I'm not sure if I can agree. Going from their website alone, Billboard looks like it's trying very hard to push K-Pop in general as the next big thing. Consider that last year they had daily chart progress articles concerning "Gangnam Style" (something I've never seen done for any other song) and just about every week Psy was stuck at number two behind Maroon 5, the focus of the corresponding reports was the fact that "Gangnam Style" was the runner-up, not that "One More Night" was number one.

[nivekwriter1]

Since Billboard is now hugely affected by Youtube,
I'II also post the (daily) Youtube charts in here.
I know they're global, but since making Youtube updates
for one country is impossible, it's the best we can get.

Here's the update from April the 17th.

Colors:

+ 10.000: Blue
+ 5.000: Purple
+ 3.000: Red
+ 2.000: Green
+ 1.000: Bold

# - artist - song - total views (in millions) - views in the last 24 hours (in millions)

DAILY TOP 20

1. PSY - Gentleman: 122.175 (+ 29.307)
2. PSY - Gangnam Style: 1534.041 (+ 3.462)
3. DEMI LOVATO - Heart Attack: 16.219 (+ 2.582)
4. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 244.474 (+ 2.487)
5. PINK - Just Give Me A Reason f/Nate Ruess: 66.933 (+ 1.352)
6. RIHANNA - Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 99.806 (+ 1.004)
7. WILL.I.AM. - Scream & Shout f/Britney Spears: 196.994 (+ 0.896)
8. JUSTIN BIEBER - All Around The World f/Ludacris: 6.411 (+ 0.855)
9. BRUNO MARS - When I Was Your Man: 52.465 (+ 0.774)
10. RIHANNA - Diamonds: 258.946 (+ 0.720)
11. ONE DIRECTION - One Way Or Another: 80.595 (+ 0.667)
12. PITBULL - Feel This Moment f/Christina Aguilera: 25.159 (+ 0.666)
13. TAYLOR SWIFT - 22: 30.074 (+ 0.625)
14. SELENA GOMEZ - Come & Get It (Only Audio): 7.269 (+ 0.546)
15. JUSTIN BIEBER - Beauty and a Beat f/Nicki Minaj: 214.372 (+ 0.538)
16. DADDY YANKEE - Limbo: 69.919 (+ 0.509)
17. BRUNO MARS - Locked Out Of Heaven: 137.223 (+ 0.501)
18. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - Can't Hold Us (Only Audio): 26.353 (+ 0.466)
19. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE - Mirrors: 26.894 (+ 0.463)
20. NICKI MINAJ - High School f/Lil Wayne: 15.268 (+ 0.460)

Other noticeable songs outside the top 20:

21. CARLY RAE JEPSEN - Call Me Maybe: 443.312 (+ 0.458)
22. TAYLOR SWIFT - I Knew You Were Trouble: 95.876 (+ 0.428)
30. PASSENGER - Let Her Go: 20.829 (+ 0.293)
38. IMAGINE DRAGONS - Radioactive: 21.247 (+ 0.244)
??. CHRIS BROWN - Fine China: 10.850 (+ 0.188)
??. AVRIL LAVIGNE - Here's To Never Growing Up (Only Audio): 2.032 (+ 0.166)

What do you think of the update,
and do you have any songs you want me to track?

[crystalphnx]

Digital Songs Update:

Over on the Digital Songs chart, last week's No. 1, Bruno Mars' "When I Was Your Man," drops to No. 6 with 166,000 with a 51% decline. Its sales surge to No. 1 last week (when it zoomed 4-1 with 340,000, up 45%) was caused in part by a temporary $0.69 sale price in the iTunes Store. This week, without the discount in place, the song drops back to its normal level of sales.

Thus, P!nk's "Just Give Me a Reason" (featuring Nate Reuss) returns to No. 1 this week, stepping 2-1 with 283,000 (up 1%). Macklemore & Ryan Lewis' "Can't Hold Us" rises 6-2 with 208,000 (up 12%) after the duo performed it on the MTV Movie Awards on Sunday (April 14).

Florida Georgia Line's "Cruise" holds at No. 3 with 179,000 (down 28%) while Rihanna's "Stay" (featuring Mikky Ekko) slides 5-4 with 176,000 (down 15%). Macklemore and Lewis are in the top five a second time, as "Thrift Shop" slips 4-5 with 165,000 (down 21%). The pair is the first act to have two concurrent top five singles on the Digital Songs chart since Nov. 3, 2012, when Taylor Swift had a pair in the region.

Elsewhere in the top 10 on the Digital Songs chart this week, Luke Bryan's "Crash My Party" debuts at No. 7 with 164,000 (up 526%) after a full week's worth of sales. It's his best sales week ever and first top 10 on the Digital Songs chart. The song was released in the evening on Sunday, April 7, the same night he premiered the song via a performance on the Academy of Country Music Awards.

Timberlake's "Mirrors" climbs 12-8 with 127,000 (up 10%), Imagine Dragons' "Radioactive" slides 7-9 with 124,000 (down 24%), and Icona Pop's "I Love It" (featuring Charli XCX) descends 9-10 with 116,000 (down 12%).

Digital track sales this past week totaled 25.5 million downloads, down 10% compared with last week (28.3 million) and down 9% stacked next to the comparable week of 2012 (28.1 million). Year-to-date track sales are at 410.3 million, down 1% compared with the same total at this point last year (418.6 million).

www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/chart-alert/1558370/paramore-earn-first-no-1-album-on-billboard-200

[Envoirment]

P!nk has a rather large lead in sales against Bruno/Macklemore & Ryan Lewis, so I hope she can make it to #1 on the Hot 100!