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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 14:10:53 GMT -5
Being released earlier isn't really an advantage on iTunes. Either way I just checked Kworb and the substitute does in fact beat the original. - 14 Ariana Grande - The Way (feat. Mac Miller) 0.3612
- 15 Mariah Carey - #Beautiful (feat. Miguel) 0.3534
Plus it was a Mariah stan who brought up the comparison, not me. Just figured I'd mention that he's wrong. chatoyant is not a Mariah stan, and what they said was true at the time they posted it. They weren't wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 14:10:59 GMT -5
When you factor in everything airplay+sales+ quality it's still not beating the original and we will see who places higher on the billboard hot 100 soon enough.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on May 12, 2013 14:12:00 GMT -5
The whole comparison is ridiculous because Ariana is hardly a substitute in any manner for Mariah.
And if you factor in airplay, I think the difference in airplay trumps the barely existent one on iTunes. So, does the substitute really beat the original?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 14:13:52 GMT -5
ask any doctor substitute products are far from healthy.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 14:20:08 GMT -5
Being released earlier isn't really an advantage on iTunes. Either way I just checked Kworb and the substitute does in fact beat the original. - 14 Ariana Grande - The Way (feat. Mac Miller) 0.3612
- 15 Mariah Carey - #Beautiful (feat. Miguel) 0.3534
Plus it was a Mariah stan who brought up the comparison, not me. Just figured I'd mention that he's wrong. chatoyant is not a Mariah stan, and what they said was true at the time they posted it. They weren't wrong. Sorry you're right, wrong use of words. I meant that they weren't right anymore  In my criteria (iTunes, I don't think airplay should be counted yet as it still includes the CC deal) Fat Ass Kelly Price & @haunted Considering it's going to lose 25 million AI before the H100 is calculated, I wouldn't be surprised if #Beautiful debuted below The Way this week. It climbed 19-15 last week so I assume it has a lot of streaming points. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 14:21:55 GMT -5
Isn't the Clear Channel deal irrelevant to the daily gains at this point?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 14:26:56 GMT -5
Chatoyant was talking about overall airplay, not daily gains.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 14:30:45 GMT -5
Yes I'm sure Chatoyant is the root cause for you trying hard to discredit the song. It has nothing to do with the fact you have already stated you don't like it, which btw is perfectly fine.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on May 12, 2013 14:34:33 GMT -5
Codex, I knew you would say something like that. But by the logic you've been expressing, what happened then and in the future is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is this very moment. And at this very moment, the original is trumping the "substitute."
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 14:35:24 GMT -5
Ariana isn't substituting a thing, so basically this whole argument is irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 14:39:15 GMT -5
Ariana isn't substituting a thing, so basically this whole argument is irrelevant. agreed lets just move on, it's similar to another forum when i got cheesed when the girls were saying Amber was the substitute for Whitney. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 14:50:31 GMT -5
Ariana isn't substituting a thing, so basically this whole argument is irrelevant. I agree, "the pupil beats the teacher" or a similar phrase would have been a better fit, in my opinion. Codex, I knew you would say something like that. But by the logic you've been expressing, what happened then and in the future is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is this very moment. And at this very moment, the original is trumping the "substitute." Coco brought up this week's H100, I was replying to that. Otherwise I have been talking about "this very moment". The clear channel deal inflates the rolling chart, if you only look at today's airplay Mariah had 6.730 AI today, while Ariana had around 7.427, it's just below it on the overall rolling chart since it's lacking the 30 million artificial AI that Mariah has. Though, I'm sure Mariah will pass her in daily airplay in a couple days, but I don't think it's fair to compare their AI until the CC deal is rinsed out. :) |
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Post by rosenkavalier on May 12, 2013 14:59:55 GMT -5
well if the pupil is good enough to beat the teacher , why not ?
btw , who is Ariana ?
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Post by pnobelysk on May 12, 2013 15:27:54 GMT -5
well if the pupil is good enough to beat the teacher , why not ? btw , who is Ariana ? She's from the nick show victorious . She has a large Internet following at her song the way debuted at 10 on the hot 100 |
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 12, 2013 17:13:28 GMT -5
The hourly airplay promo wouldn't be affecting daily gains; but, if there was other airplay "incentive"/promo for the first week, that would. We have no way of knowing that. What we do know is that radio doesn't have viable listener feedback/data to determien whether it should spike airplay for a track in its debut week. So, initial airplay like this isn't unprecedented (it was common for radio favorites, Mimi included, in the past).
And this Ariana comparison is pretty silly. She's 19 years old, with her first hit, for cryin' out loud.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 1:37:42 GMT -5
where is robin thicke blurred lines in airplay updates,it is going to be a hit in many countries
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Post by heavensider on May 13, 2013 6:04:44 GMT -5
Mariah Carey - #Beautiful ft. Miguel Day 7:
+7.14m Total: 66.756m
Bombshell!!!
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Post by Duca on May 13, 2013 15:29:57 GMT -5
1. RIHANNA – Stay f/Mikky Ekko: 174.443 (-0.360)
2. PINK – Just Give Me A Reason: 172.731 (-0.381)
3. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Mirrors: 168.665 (+1.664)
4. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Can’t Hold Us f/Ray Dalton: 149.359 (+1.569)
5. BRUNO MARS – When I Was Your Man: 144.839 (-1.699)
6. PITBULL – Feel This Moment f/C. Aguilera: 98.799 (-2.665)
7. DEMI LOVATO – Heart Attack: 89.760 (+0.610) ▲
8. MAROON 5 – Daylight: 89.416 (-1.245)
9. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Suit & Tie: 88.439 (-2.419) ▼
10. ICONA POP – I Love It f/Charli XCX: 86.206 (+1.254)
11. LUMINEERS – Ho Hey: 72.677 (-0.352)
12. MARIAH CAREY – #Beautiful f/Miguel: 66.756 (+7.140) ▲
13. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – Thrift Shop f/Wanz: 66.628 (-0.696) ▼
14. FLORIDA-GEORGIA LINE – Get Your Shine On: 65.349 (-0.333) ▼
15. BRUNO MARS – Locked Out Of Heaven: 64.356 (-0.604) ▼
16. DRAKE – Started From The Bottom: 63.575 (-0.480) ▼
17. TAYLOR SWIFT – I Knew You Were Trouble: 62.896 (-0.950) ▼
18. DARIUS RUCKER – Wagon Wheel: 62.496 (+0.306) ▼
19. KREWELLA – Alive: 60.095 (-0.821) ▼
20. KENNY CHESNEY – Pirate Flag: 58.452 (-0.473)
MIRANDA LAMBERT – Mama’s Broken Heart: 57.896 (-0.831)
CHRIS BROWN – Fine China: 57.878 (+0.621)
TIM MCGRAW WITH TAYLOR SWIFT – Highway Don’t Care: 57.461 (+0.338)
TAYLOR SWIFT – 22: 56.073 (+0.027)
EMELI SANDE – Next To Me: 56.055 (+0.612)
WILL.I.AM F/JUSTIN BIEBER – #thatpower: 54.826 (+0.224)
SELENA GOMEZ – Come & Get It: 53.791 (+1.075)
FALL OUT BOY – My Songs Know What You Did…: 53.126 (+0.589)
J. COLE – Power Trip f/Miguel: 52.110 (+0.603)
ARIANA GRANDE – The Way f/Mac Miller: 51.765 (-0.222)
BLAKE SHELTON – Boys ‘Round Here: 48.115 (+0.265)
BRAD PAISLEY – Beat This Summer: 44.507 (+0.495)
JASON DERULO – The Other Side: 42.617 (+0.974)
LUKE BRYAN – Crash My Party: 35.706 (+0.298)
DAFT PUNK – Get Lucky: 33.351 (+1.795)
PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Gone, Gone, Gone: 30.897 (+0.589)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD – See You Again: 26.413 (+0.369)
AVRIL LAVIGNE – Here’s To Never Growing Up: 26.058 (-0.363)
ZEDD – Clarity f/Foxes: 25.449 (+0.588)
CALVIN HARRIS F/ELLIE GOULDING – I Need Your Love: 21.253 (+0.441)
KELLY CLARKSON – People Like Us: 18.559 (+0.893)
JENNIFER LOPEZ F/PITBULL – Live It Up: 18.313 (+1.236)
BRUNO MARS – Treasure: 6.664 (+0.742)
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Post by Au$tin on May 13, 2013 15:42:28 GMT -5
Tomorrow is Mariah's eight day, correct? If so, then she's going to drop about 25 million AI tomorrow, knocking her down to the 40s, but it was to be expected due to the huge first day with the CC deal and everything.
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Post by Lozzy on May 13, 2013 16:09:45 GMT -5
where is robin thicke blurred lines in airplay updates,it is going to be a hit in many countries It's got 9.193 million audience from Pop + Rhythmic, plus maybe another million or so from other formats. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 16:23:11 GMT -5
The chart run COULD be something similar to the lead single off Madonna's last album. (I say "COULD" because I don't want to get beat up ;) ) Once the 'purchased popularity' points; have been delivered and wear off you COULD see heavy drops in week 2 and 3 and an overall short life
of course, I could be wrong too
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Post by crystalphnx on May 13, 2013 16:49:57 GMT -5
venturing into any kind of Madonna/Mariah comparison is asking for trouble, so I should know better than this...but I'm also curious to explore the similarities, since a chart run like GMAYL is what I fear for "#Beautiful" at this point. of course, even if it does end up performing just like GMAYL on the Hot 100, it'll still have a much better chart run than anything that Mariah's released since "Obsessed", and that's certainly something to be thankful for. :)
with GMAYL:
Week 1 on Hot 100 = debuted at No. 13 thanks to Clear Channel airplay deal (which was only one day, correct?) and first-week downloads
Week 2 = jumped to No. 10 thanks to download boost from Super Bowl performance. was airplay already falling at this point?
Week 3 onwards = tumbled off chart
with "#Beautiful"
Week 1 on Hot 100 = likely debut between No. 15 - No. 20 thanks to first-week downloads (partially aided by the video premiere on AI), strong airplay (but no CC deal, since that was the chart week prior), and video streams (not a factor when GMAYL was charting)
Week 2 = likely tumble, but how far? it's stabilized between No. 15-No. 20 on iTunes for now. will this week be affected by her AI finale performance? I forget when that's happening.
I don't remember much about GMAYL's airplay performence, but I think "#Beautiful" is gaining more than GMAYL was at this point, no? hopefully that's a sign of a brighter future for "#Beautiful".
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Post by #LisaRinna on May 13, 2013 17:20:26 GMT -5
I know the salivating's gonna be intense in here tomorrow for that 8th day.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 13, 2013 17:32:43 GMT -5
This is such a good song I just cannot imagine it bombing in week 2-3.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 13, 2013 18:01:51 GMT -5
I know the salivating's gonna be intense in here tomorrow for that 8th day.  |
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on May 13, 2013 18:04:56 GMT -5
venturing into any kind of Madonna/Mariah comparison is asking for trouble, so I should know better than this...but I'm also curious to explore the similarities, since a chart run like GMAYL is what I fear for "#Beautiful" at this point. of course, even if it does end up performing just like GMAYL on the Hot 100, it'll still have a much better chart run than anything that Mariah's released since "Obsessed", and that's certainly something to be thankful for. :) with GMAYL: Week 1 on Hot 100 = debuted at No. 13 thanks to Clear Channel airplay deal (which was only one day, correct?) and first-week downloads Week 2 = jumped to No. 10 thanks to download boost from Super Bowl performance. was airplay already falling at this point? Week 3 onwards = tumbled off chart with "#Beautiful" Week 1 on Hot 100 = likely debut between No. 15 - No. 20 thanks to first-week downloads (partially aided by the video premiere on AI), strong airplay (but no CC deal, since that was the chart week prior), and video streams (not a factor when GMAYL was charting) Week 2 = likely tumble, but how far? it's stabilized between No. 15-No. 20 on iTunes for now. will this week be affected by her AI finale performance? I forget when that's happening. I don't remember much about GMAYL's airplay performence, but I think "#Beautiful" is gaining more than GMAYL was at this point, no? hopefully that's a sign of a brighter future for "#Beautiful". I believe Madonna's deal was for one week. Also, Unless airplay slows down over the next 7 days, there shouldn't be much, if any, fall in week 2 for Beautiful. I am going to guess that it'll debut top 20 and consistently rise from there. Any slight drop in downloads in week two should be compensated for with airplay/streaming. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 13, 2013 18:07:49 GMT -5
GMAYL was for one weekend, Superbowl weekend....Friday/Saturday/Sunday. (remember the video premiered on Idol on Thur) Over the next week it still saw gains, but the week after that, it collapsed.
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Post by crystalphnx on May 13, 2013 18:43:15 GMT -5
thanks for the responses!
it looks like, based on how "#Beautiful" is doing airplay-wise since the end of its CC deal, the outlook is much brighter than it was for GMAYL. there's no guarantees for the future, of course, but the signs (thus far) sound pretty promising. :)
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Post by velaxti on May 13, 2013 19:08:24 GMT -5
I know the salivating's gonna be intense in here tomorrow for that 8th day. I don't understand why people make such a fuss over it anyway. All it is is the previous day increase - the increase the week before, the same as any other day. It's just negative because the week before was so high. Really a -25 million AI would be very good in this case. Every song with those radio deals people have celebrations about them "flopping" on day 8 and most of them end up big hits in the end. You'd think people would learn. |
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Post by leoapp on May 13, 2013 19:50:38 GMT -5
www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/1561411/chart-highlights-mariah-carey-miguel-blast-onto-radio-rankingsMariah Carey soars onto a host of Billboard's Nielsen BDS-based airplay tallies with "#Beautiful," featuring Miguel. The song starts on Pop Songs at No. 22; Adult Contemporary (No. 23); Mainstream R&B/Hip-Hop (No. 29);and Adult Pop Songs (No. 35). Coordinated airplay on Clear Channel Media and Entertainment stations aided the song's first week. Beginning at 7 a.m. EST on Monday, May 6 (the first day of the chart tracking week), "#Beautiful" played at the top of each hour until 11 p.m. on approximately 230 Clear Channel outlets. Still, stations in other chains played "#Beautiful" over its first seven days of availability, including CBS Radio-owned Pop SOngs panelists WBBM Chicago (61 spins), WNOW New York and KMVQ San Francisco (32 each). With the bow of "#Beautiful," the lead single from Carey's forthcoming 13th studio album, due this summer, Carey ups her count to 30 Pop Songs entries dating to the chart's Oct. 3, 1992, launch, tying Britney Spears for the second-most appearances. Only Rihanna (35) has tallied more visits. The song's debut rank is Carey's third-best, trailing only the starts of "Dreamlover" (the list's all-time top starter: No. 12 in 1993) and "Endless Love," with Luther Vandross (No. 20, 1994). Miguel makes his second appearance on Pop Songs. He previously charted with "Adorn," which reached No. 35 in December.
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