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Post by josh on Aug 10, 2013 10:22:58 GMT -5
failure to evolve with changing musical landscapes. That was label-imposed. She clearly *wanted* to change. |
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Post by Enyasurvivor on Aug 10, 2013 10:23:28 GMT -5
failure to evolve with changing musical landscapes. Haha, don't worry. I'm fully aware of the danger she's in right now! But Katy's putting herself in the same boat it seems with this song. |
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Post by hazuki on Aug 10, 2013 10:24:46 GMT -5
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Post by Dammn Baby on Aug 10, 2013 10:24:47 GMT -5
Haha, don't worry. I'm fully aware of the danger she's in right now! But Katy's putting herself in the same boat it seems with this song. Don't think so. This is not an EDM mess. It will do very well on CHR. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 10:25:27 GMT -5
Reminds me of elevator music. Inoffensive, kind of just there, but you eventually find yourself singing along. Was honestly expecting something better/bigger. Agreed. It's soooo safe. Such wasted opportunity considering Katy is positioned perfectly to introduce a new sound/producer/sub-genre and have radio embrace it (granted it's good and why shouldn't it be?). This follows the paint-by-numbers mold as closely as it gets. It will smash for her, and I'm okay with that, but it does little to build respect. The thing is, Gaga tried that with "Born this Way," and it didn't work. It hit #1, but all the follow-up singles and the album underperformed in comparison to what everyone was expecting. Katy is smart enough to know that, while this song is different thaan most of her material, it's not a HUGE departure from what she's done before. |
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 10, 2013 10:25:30 GMT -5
I really like this. It's a bit more sparse than I thought it would be, but it fits in well with Top 40 in 2013.
Thematically, it would fit in with Teenage Dream, but not sonically I think. They've definitely taken notice from the fun./Macklemore explosion over the past 2 years and applied it to her sound. I.e. what any smart pop star should have done.
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Post by icefire9 on Aug 10, 2013 10:25:54 GMT -5
I really like the verse but the chorus is just so bland for me. It's alright, but it's still one of my least favorite singles of hers. I'm kind of disappointed considering how much hype has gone into this.
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Post by allow that on Aug 10, 2013 10:28:37 GMT -5
Agreed. It's soooo safe. Such wasted opportunity considering Katy is positioned perfectly to introduce a new sound/producer/sub-genre and have radio embrace it (granted it's good and why shouldn't it be?). This follows the paint-by-numbers mold as closely as it gets. It will smash for her, and I'm okay with that, but it does little to build respect. The thing is, Gaga tried that with "Born this Way," and it didn't work. It hit #1, but all the follow-up singles and the album underperformed in comparison to what everyone was expecting. Katy is smart enough to know that, while this song is different thaan most of her material, it's not a HUGE departure from what she's done before. "Born This Way" is not what I was suggesting. What new sound or producer did it employ? It was same ol' Gagadonna with the pretension turnt way up. A better example would be Rihanna importing Calvin Harris and his sound to the US on "We Found Love." |
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Post by Legenderry on Aug 10, 2013 10:30:28 GMT -5
That was label-imposed. She clearly *wanted* to change. I don't want to go too off-topic, but I just want to say that songs like "Machine Gun Love" would've killed Ke$ha's career for good. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 10:30:50 GMT -5
Love it. The chorus is bliss.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 10:31:14 GMT -5
The thing is, Gaga tried that with "Born this Way," and it didn't work. It hit #1, but all the follow-up singles and the album underperformed in comparison to what everyone was expecting. Katy is smart enough to know that, while this song is different thaan most of her material, it's not a HUGE departure from what she's done before. "Born This Way" is not what I was suggesting. What new sound or producer did it employ? It was same ol' Gagadonna with the pretension turnt way up. A better example would be Rihanna importing Calvin Harris and his sound to the US on "We Found Love." Well, I just mean that" Born this Way" was really heavy and, in my opinion, just weird. It was different from everything on pop radio, but not in a good way. I dunno, maybe that's just the way I saw it since I am not a fan of her. |
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Post by Enyasurvivor on Aug 10, 2013 10:32:31 GMT -5
Haha, don't worry. I'm fully aware of the danger she's in right now! But Katy's putting herself in the same boat it seems with this song. Don't think so. This is not an EDM mess. It will do very well on CHR. She's in a similar situation as Ke$ha, not that this sounds anything like her. There's nothing wrong with playing it safe sometimes, but it's not going to elevate her further into stardom. It could actually hurt her in the long run because once you have one Katy Perry song, you have them all. I'm really hoping the 2nd single changes it up. |
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Post by when the pawn... on Aug 10, 2013 10:32:57 GMT -5
Agreed. It's soooo safe. Such wasted opportunity considering Katy is positioned perfectly to introduce a new sound/producer/sub-genre and have radio embrace it (granted it's good and why shouldn't it be?). This follows the paint-by-numbers mold as closely as it gets. It will smash for her, and I'm okay with that, but it does little to build respect. The thing is, Gaga tried that with "Born this Way," and it didn't work. It hit #1, but all the follow-up singles and the album underperformed in comparison to what everyone was expecting. Katy is smart enough to know that, while this song is different thaan most of her material, it's not a HUGE departure from what she's done before. I think Gaga and Katy simply have different intentions. Katy Perry's career plan probably doesn't involve tons of experimentation. It's working out very well for her. My gut reaction is that I am unimpressed but I was kinda humming along by the end. This will be her 12th (?) top 3 CHR single. 12 for 13...that's incredible. |
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Post by Legenderry on Aug 10, 2013 10:34:12 GMT -5
I really like this. It's a bit more sparse than I thought it would be, but it fits in well with Top 40 in 2013. Thematically, it would fit in with Teenage Dream, but not sonically I think. They've definitely taken notice from the fun./Macklemore explosion over the past 2 years and applied it to her sound. I.e. what any smart pop star should have done. I can totally hear more urban/alternative influences on the production of this song. Plus I'm pretty sure Katy is keeping her best singles for release later in the era. |
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 10, 2013 10:34:24 GMT -5
"Born This Way" is not what I was suggesting. What new sound or producer did it employ? It was same ol' Gagadonna with the pretension turnt way up. A better example would be Rihanna importing Calvin Harris and his sound to the US on "We Found Love." Well, I just mean that" Born this Way" was really heavy and, in my opinion, just weird. It was different from everything on pop radio, but not in a good way. I dunno, maybe that's just the way I saw it since I am not a fan of her. I don't think Born This Way was really "heavy" at all, if anything it sounded muffled in the production and like a demo. It also fit in ok with what was popular then but it didn't really hit that hard. Now Judas was a song that sounded rough cut, even though that had a demo feel as well. Back to this to though, it's getting better with every listen :). |
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Post by Envoirment on Aug 10, 2013 10:34:36 GMT -5
Ok, I love it now. This is going to smash everywhere.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Aug 10, 2013 10:35:02 GMT -5
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Post by spicemuncher on Aug 10, 2013 10:36:31 GMT -5
I'm a casual Katy fan and I like most of her releases, and I gave this 5-6 listens before commenting. It is really... ok. The pre-chorus melody is lullaby-like, which I really dislike. The chorus is OK too, but not as infectious as what she usually releases.
I'm disappointed. First single hype wasted on this.
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Post by when the pawn... on Aug 10, 2013 10:37:15 GMT -5
Don't think so. This is not an EDM mess. It will do very well on CHR. She's in a similar situation as Ke$ha, not that this sounds anything like her. There's nothing wrong with playing it safe sometimes, but it's not going to elevate her further into stardom. It could actually hurt her in the long run because once you have one Katy Perry song, you have them all. I'm really hoping the 2nd single changes it up. I think there's a big difference between Katy and Ke$ha though. Even when K$ was on top, it was obvious everything sounded the same, especially because she had such a distinct sound (particularly vocally). Blow = We R Who We R = Take It Off = etc. It's not AS strong with Katy - Wide Awake does not equal ET does not equal Teenage Dream does not equal I Kissed A Girl. Ke$ha quickly pigeon-holed herself (her or her label, it doesn't matter) while Katy became more of a shapeshifter. She can do many kinds of generic whereas Ke$ha seemingly can only do one. That's why when the trends on CHR change, Ke$ha has a very difficult time adjusting. Katy will be able to move with what's hot because she never really DEFINED a distinct sound for her. Honestly, it's all good and bad but for now, Katy Perry doesn't have much to complain about. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 10:37:35 GMT -5
The thing is, Gaga tried that with "Born this Way," and it didn't work. It hit #1, but all the follow-up singles and the album underperformed in comparison to what everyone was expecting. Katy is smart enough to know that, while this song is different thaan most of her material, it's not a HUGE departure from what she's done before. "Born This Way" is not what I was suggesting. What new sound or producer did it employ? It was same ol' Gagadonna with the pretension turnt way up. A better example would be Rihanna importing Calvin Harris and his sound to the US on "We Found Love." It made use of the hype to try to pass a controversial message. |
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 10, 2013 10:37:39 GMT -5
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Post by Envoirment on Aug 10, 2013 10:37:44 GMT -5
Don't think so. This is not an EDM mess. It will do very well on CHR. She's in a similar situation as Ke$ha, not that this sounds anything like her. There's nothing wrong with playing it safe sometimes, but it's not going to elevate her further into stardom. It could actually hurt her in the long run because once you have one Katy Perry song, you have them all. I'm really hoping the 2nd single changes it up. Similar situation? Hardly. Katy's singles all sounded different from one another and had different themes ect. Ke$ha has been releasing non stop dance party songs since she debuted (which is rather sad as she has some great non-party songs). Not to mention that Katy's coming off a MUCH larger era and is more successful both internationally and in the US than Ke$ha ever has been. |
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 10, 2013 10:37:44 GMT -5
Don't think so. This is not an EDM mess. It will do very well on CHR. She's in a similar situation as Ke$ha, not that this sounds anything like her. There's nothing wrong with playing it safe sometimes, but it's not going to elevate her further into stardom. It could actually hurt her in the long run because once you have one Katy Perry song, you have them all. I'm really hoping the 2nd single changes it up. Now I would strongly disagree with this, especially after her last album campaign. Maybe with IKAG/HnC/WIUV you could say they all fit into a similar pop/rock mold. However, CG, TD, ET & WA all sounded very different from each other. Even the songs that sounded similar to past material like LFN and POM were distinguished by the videos. And this song definitely doesn't sound like most of her previous singles, the only one it might be on the same vibe as musically would be TOTGA. |
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Post by Dammn Baby on Aug 10, 2013 10:38:16 GMT -5
Don't think so. This is not an EDM mess. It will do very well on CHR. She's in a similar situation as Ke$ha, not that this sounds anything like her. There's nothing wrong with playing it safe sometimes, but it's not going to elevate her further into stardom. It could actually hurt her in the long run because once you have one Katy Perry song, you have them all. I'm really hoping the 2nd single changes it up. She's just had a streak of nine Top 3 singles at CHR. "Roar" shifts her sound (however slightly), sounds current and will fit in very well at CHR. I hardly see how she's in a similar situation as Ke$ha, who has now typecast herself as the chick who sings about nothing else but getting drunk and skanky over an EDM beat. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 10:39:31 GMT -5
The last chorus of this is euphoric with those belts she's doing to harmonize during "AND YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ME ROAR!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 10:39:59 GMT -5
It's a hit (did anyone really expect anything less?), but she took everything that made fun. and replicated it for this. Nothing new, nothing noteworthy, but other than being a total snoozefest it's not the worst thing she's ever done!!!!
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Post by irice22 on Aug 10, 2013 10:41:28 GMT -5
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 10, 2013 10:42:31 GMT -5
"Roar" sounds like a natural progression to me. It doesn't fit in with Teenage Dream, but it's not a complete step away from it either. This is much more hot AC oriented (do I detect fun. influence?) and less bubbly pop than the TD era. I think it will do well.
I do like it, but I was hoping for something... bigger? Not necessarily anything groundbreaking, just... more exciting, I guess. Maybe the HQ version will sound better.
I think people were expecting too much for this single. It's a lead single from an artist who, yes, has huge hype, and yes, has a lot of fans, but she is not in the same place as, say, Britney or Beyoncé where no matter what they put out, they're going to have so many fans that will support them anyway flop or not. Katy's not in that position... yet. It makes complete sense from a business standpoint to release something much more middle-of-the-road as the first single to play it safe. I'm sure the rest of the album isn't like this 100%. I mean, with the people we know she's worked with, there's no way it can be. So once this hits and solidifies her new era into people's minds, they can take a bigger risk with future singles. It's smart to play it safe first. This is a tactic RCA needs to pick up on. To them, they believe in play it safe always, which is what is hurting Ke$ha and Avril. Capitol seems to have a much better tactic than RCA, so I doubt they'll make the same mistakes as RCA and release the same thing over and over again.
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Post by allow that on Aug 10, 2013 10:42:40 GMT -5
"Born This Way" is not what I was suggesting. What new sound or producer did it employ? It was same ol' Gagadonna with the pretension turnt way up. A better example would be Rihanna importing Calvin Harris and his sound to the US on "We Found Love." It made use of the hype to try to pass a controversial message. Yea but there's a very big difference between using your own hype to preach vs. to explore a new sound. |
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Post by #brayden on Aug 10, 2013 10:43:15 GMT -5
I don't think this is anything special, but I'm sure it'll do well off of her name alone.
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