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Post by allow that on Aug 19, 2013 11:31:14 GMT -5
They both know what ppl want to hear and they deliver. *Their A&R teams know what ppl want to hear and they deliver. Katy and Rihanna are two of the most calculated/manufactured pop stars in the business right now. That's not meant as shade. No one can really deny that Katy & Rihanna's hits are handed to them, but hey, it works for them both. It's a choice.
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Post by Caviar on Aug 19, 2013 11:37:28 GMT -5
Wtf? Katy writes almost all her hits. ???
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Aug 19, 2013 11:40:57 GMT -5
Wtf? Katy Bonnie McKee writes almost all her hits.
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Post by irice22 on Aug 19, 2013 11:48:03 GMT -5
They both know what ppl want to hear and they deliver. *Their A&R teams know what ppl want to hear and they deliver. Katy and Rihanna are two of the most calculated/manufactured pop stars in the business right now. That's not meant as shade. No one can really deny that Katy & Rihanna's hits are handed to them, but hey, it works for them both. It's a choice. I agree about Rihanna, not about Katy. She co-writes all of her songs and always has. She shows many glimpses of creative control. If you say this about Katy Perry, you'd have to say the same thing about P!nk, Kesha, and most certainly Britney (who doesn't write).
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Post by allow that on Aug 19, 2013 11:51:18 GMT -5
*Their A&R teams know what ppl want to hear and they deliver. Katy and Rihanna are two of the most calculated/manufactured pop stars in the business right now. That's not meant as shade. No one can really deny that Katy & Rihanna's hits are handed to them, but hey, it works for them both. It's a choice. I agree about Rihanna, not about Katy. She co-writes all of her songs and always has. She shows many glimpses of creative control. If you say this about Katy Perry, you'd have to say the same thing about P!nk, Kesha, and most certainly Britney (who doesn't write). I would say the same about all of those women you mentioned. However, unlike Britney or P!nk, Katy tends to stay in one box more. I'm not saying that there's not diversity in the Teenage Dream singles, but they are all very much pure pop. Britney and P!nk have demonstrated ability to dip their feet in other genres a bit better. Rihanna has as well, and she's done it very well, but again, it comes off as calculated by the record label roundtable.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 19, 2013 11:52:21 GMT -5
I Kissed A Girl Katy Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Cathy Dennis
Hot 'N Cold Katy Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin
Thinking Of You Katy Perry
Waking Up In Vegas Katy Perry, Greg Wells
California Gurls Katy Perry, Calvin Broadus, Max Martin, Lukasz Gottwald, Bonnie McKee
Teenage Dream Dr. Luke, Benny Blanco, Max Martin
Firework Katy Perry, Mikkel S. Eriksen, Tor Erik Hermansen, Sandy Wilhelm, Ester Dean
E.T. Katy Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Joshua Coleman
Last Friday Night Katy Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Bonnie McKee
The One That Got Away Katy Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin
Part Of Me Katy Perry, Bonnie McKee, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin
Wide Awake Katy Perry, Bonnie McKee, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Henry Walter
Roar Katy Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Bonnie McKee, Henry Walter, Sara Bareilles
Katy has had a hand in the songwriting credits for every one of her major hits except Teenage Dream.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 11:56:06 GMT -5
I Kissed A Girl Katy Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Cathy Dennis Hot 'N Cold Katy Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin Thinking Of You Katy Perry Waking Up In Vegas Katy Perry, Greg Wells California Gurls Katy Perry, Calvin Broadus, Max Martin, Lukasz Gottwald, Bonnie McKee Teenage Dream Dr. Luke, Benny Blanco, Max Martin Firework Katy Perry, Mikkel S. Eriksen, Tor Erik Hermansen, Sandy Wilhelm, Ester Dean E.T. Katy Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Joshua Coleman Last Friday Night Katy Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Bonnie McKee The One That Got Away Katy Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin Part Of Me Katy Perry, Bonnie McKee, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin Wide Awake Katy Perry, Bonnie McKee, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Henry Walter Roar Katy Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Bonnie McKee, Henry Walter, Sara BareillesKaty has had a hand in the songwriting credits for every one of her major hits except Teenage Dream. Katy wrote on "Teenage Dream" as well.
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Post by Gold Soundz on Aug 19, 2013 11:57:28 GMT -5
Bonnie and Katy both wrote Teenage Dream.
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Post by allow that on Aug 19, 2013 11:59:25 GMT -5
I never understood the listing of an artist as "writer" as proof of artistic credibility in cases where there's a handful of other writers as well. Especially when the others are as high profile and have a style of their own as detectable as Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, and Bonnie McKee.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 12:01:06 GMT -5
Katy also wrote for some fat bitch..."I don't hook for free" or some shit..
Anyways 550k(estimated) sold! And still #1 on Itunes. About double of what a certain Lady is expected to sell. I'm actually shocked and excited about all this good news. Still #1 and no video yet...I can't.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 19, 2013 12:07:54 GMT -5
I hope they wait with the video until they are at absolute striking distance from Blurred Lines. Otherwise its just a waste.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 19, 2013 12:13:00 GMT -5
I never understood the listing of an artist as "writer" as proof of artistic credibility in cases where there's a handful of other writers as well. Especially when the others are as high profile and have a style of their own as detectable as Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, and Bonnie McKee. I also think, like many other aspects of the music biz, the credits listing itself can be politics rather than truth. We're familiar with instances where a recording artist demands a writing credit for legal reasons or whatever even if no writing was done by that person. There's also that instance of a Bob Marley song that he wrote but on the official credits, it lists other people and not himself. This was done because he wanted the royalties from the song to go to those other people, who were family friends and didn't have an income at the time. The song was like a permanent source of income for them and all of the songwriting royalties went to them. Everyone looks to the writing credits to see how involved a singer is and I'm willing to bet there are instances where a singer is put on writing credits to force credibility (and to get additional royalties) even if they didn't write anything on them. I do take writing credits with a grain of salt.
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Post by Pikachu. on Aug 19, 2013 12:31:40 GMT -5
POP:33 15 KATY PERRY Roar 6252 839 4413 47.774 -323 Spins -1587 Bullet -5.496 Audience HOT AC:34 16 KATY PERRY Roar 2053 540 1513 17.667 -63 Spins -456 Bullet -1.252 Audience RHYTHMIC:66 36 KATY PERRY Roar 630 181 449 3.998 -43 Spins -179 Bullet -0.772 Audience Judging from icefire9's post: 8/10: 553 (Leak day) 8/11: 1501 (CC Deal) 8/12: 840 8/13: 741 8/14: 799 8/15: 936 8/16: 943 8/17: 1030 8/18: 1501-323=1178 (..am I right? ![](http://images.proboards.com/tongue.gif) ) That's quite good right? ![](http://images.proboards.com/tongue.gif) It had 1839 spins after leak day + CC deal day, so 8/11 spins were (1839-553)= 1286 spins. Meaning 8/18 spins would be (1286-323)= 963 spins. Ah I see! Thanks for clarifying :)
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Post by irice22 on Aug 19, 2013 12:35:07 GMT -5
I agree about Rihanna, not about Katy. She co-writes all of her songs and always has. She shows many glimpses of creative control. If you say this about Katy Perry, you'd have to say the same thing about P!nk, Kesha, and most certainly Britney (who doesn't write). I would say the same about all of those women you mentioned. However, unlike Britney or P!nk, Katy tends to stay in one box more. I'm not saying that there's not diversity in the Teenage Dream singles, but they are all very much pure pop. Britney and P!nk have demonstrated ability to dip their feet in other genres a bit better. Rihanna has as well, and she's done it very well, but again, it comes off as calculated by the record label roundtable. It's too early to call for Katy about dipping into different genres. She's still coming off of her second album and we'll see what she comes up with. I also think the reason her singles did so well is that they all sounded so different from each other. Yes, they all fell into the pop genre, but you would never get "Teenage Dream" mixed up with "Firework," "E.T." or "California Gurls." It reminds me of Avril Lavigne's first era, where she likely could have had three Hot 100 #1's in this day and age. As for co-writers, there's nothing wrong with it. People are so quick to judge a solo artist four having four writers on a track, but don't bat an eye when a four members of a band write a song together.
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Post by Tea-why on Aug 19, 2013 13:21:13 GMT -5
They both know what ppl want to hear and they deliver. *Their A&R teams know what ppl want to hear and they deliver. Katy and Rihanna are two of the most calculated/manufactured pop stars in the business right now. That's not meant as shade. No one can really deny that Katy & Rihanna's hits are handed to them, but hey, it works for them both. It's a choice. I don't love them enough to be offended even if it was shade. lol But I see your point. Whoever is making these decisions is doing a good job.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 19, 2013 13:51:01 GMT -5
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Post by Kurt on Aug 19, 2013 14:11:02 GMT -5
Of 49 stations reporting on the pop panel so far this week, 33 have added "Roar" (134 total), including WNOW New York, KAMP Los Angeles, and six other top-ten-market stations.
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Post by Spidey on Aug 19, 2013 14:43:30 GMT -5
I never understood the listing of an artist as "writer" as proof of artistic credibility in cases where there's a handful of other writers as well. Especially when the others are as high profile and have a style of their own as detectable as Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, and Bonnie McKee. Bonnie McKee has admitted in a bunch of interviews that Katy is heavily involved in the songwriting process of her songs and that Bonnie doesn't have to do a lot. Katy has a lot of creative control and has written great songs outside of the Gottwald/Martin/McKee camp.
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Post by neverduplicated on Aug 19, 2013 14:51:01 GMT -5
I'm not trying to claim that Katy's music is incredibly diverse, but it seems like some are ignoring the fact that her first album, OOTB, actually sounds very different from Teenage Dream. I realize both are pop albums, but they have more distinct sounds than a lot of pop stars show in their first two albums. Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Aug 19, 2013 15:25:24 GMT -5
^ I agree. And I think Prism will be directed toward a whole new sound and vision. Btw, heard this on the radio on the way home with a friend. Full Blast. The ending really is quite epic. With the buildup of her stronger overlapping vocals and the bombastic horns....Pow - just wants me to hear it again and again.
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Post by icefire9 on Aug 19, 2013 15:52:48 GMT -5
You can tell that Katy has a large part in writing her own songs. I can always feel a bit of Katy in each of her songs. I don't know how to describe it, but despite differences in music style, I can hear a bit of her own voice in the lyrics. I'm reminded of a post in a thread in the polling booth. Katy's big hits on the other hand take trends and adapt her style to them, which isn't the same thing as conforming. IKAG, CG, ET, WA, and Roar have different sounds and approaches, but you can tell they're all Katy Perry records. IKAG and HnC utilized the P!nk/Kelly Clarkson type of template, but they were done in a way that tied them to Katy. CG & ET took notice of the rise of Gaga & Kesha, but you could still tell they were Katy. ET in particular utilized electronic influences in a way that was different from the standard dance numbers that were popular then. WA paid attention to the more downtempo records that were popular like Gotye, but it was still Katy. Now, Roar has utilized the rise of alternative crossovers like fun., The Lumineers, Imagine Dragons, etc. but it's still a Katy Perry record.
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Post by Arrow on Aug 19, 2013 16:07:38 GMT -5
You can tell that Katy has a large part in writing her own songs. I can always feel a bit of Katy in each of her songs. I don't know how to describe it, but despite differences in music style, I can hear a bit of her own voice in the lyrics. I definitely felt like I heard her voice on One Of The Boys, she has that biting sarcastic, caustic humor on a lot of her records. She also has this kind of childish-fairytale romantic streak in a lot of her ballads. However I couldn't hear anything like that on Teenage Dream, that was for the most part nearly completely stifled. Maybe one or two tracks on the disc you could find that kind of voice on there, the most notable cases being Circle The Drain and Not Like The Movies which sounded a lot like her earlier material. The rest, just didn't really sound like her (OOTB!Katy I mean).
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Aug 19, 2013 16:27:37 GMT -5
Yet even in TD, the tone and obliviously the lyrics are diverse. Last Friday Night and Pearl blends from fun to heartache. To me Roar is Prism's Firework.
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Post by bb on Aug 19, 2013 16:32:43 GMT -5
Wow, I really like this. Something about this, especially the huge harmonies on the final chorus, is really exciting. The first time I have legitimately enjoyed a Katy Perry song since "Teenage Dream".
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Post by Gold Soundz on Aug 19, 2013 17:40:36 GMT -5
Wtf? Katy Bonnie McKee writes almost all her hits. Via MTV...who knows how much of it is true.
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Post by neverduplicated on Aug 19, 2013 18:05:54 GMT -5
^ From that quote, it sounds like Katy is heavily involved in the conception and final product of her songs but through a collaborative process. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this as most musicians do work collaboratively. Very few artists write, produce, and sing their own material with no input from outsiders. I imagine in the pop music world, collaboration is more common as there's always the question of, "Will it be a hit?" being on everyone's mind and having multiple collaborators often ensures a sort of quality control.
As others have said, you can definitely hear Katy's personality come through in her music. As Arrow mentioned, she does have a style of sarcastic and caustic humour and a sense of fairytale romance. I would add to that she definitely has a penchant for goofing off and being a bit silly at times.
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Post by B. army on Aug 19, 2013 19:21:25 GMT -5
Where will this land on Hot 100? Top 2?
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Post by icefire9 on Aug 19, 2013 19:39:24 GMT -5
Where will this land on Hot 100? Top 2? Probably #2, with some chance at #1.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Aug 19, 2013 20:55:53 GMT -5
I say with projected sales at 525,000 and her high radio audience this should hit # 1. If it doesn't it will next week. This will make her 8th consecutive #1 on hot 100 ??
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Post by irice22 on Aug 19, 2013 20:57:39 GMT -5
8th overall, certainly not consecutive.
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