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Post by Vancho on Aug 20, 2013 19:53:13 GMT -5
Ugh I'm not Taylor Fan, I haven't even heard Red ![(zzz)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/asleep.png) I was talking about TD album sales, not her single sales, which are not impressive given the number of singles & promotion, at all. I like Katy and I want her to record truly novel songs like I Kissed a Girl again. That's why I was disappointed that Roar is heading towards the direction of TD again, b/c I have high standards for her. You can't just talk about one thing (album sales, singles sales, video views, streaming, etc). You are comparing ERAS, so EVERYTHING is included. Katy sold 2.7M albums and sold 30M singles. That is hard to top. Lets just be real here. It is justifiably one of the biggest eras of all time. I don't know why you are being so negative about it. It's pure and simple FACT. Let it be. Lets move on to Prism. OK ![](http://www.4thgrader.net/SkypeEmoticons/0141-handshake.gif)
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Post by Arrow on Aug 20, 2013 19:58:00 GMT -5
Just because Katy got a lot of number ones doesn't mean that Teenage Dream is one of the biggest albums of all time. Come on now.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Aug 20, 2013 19:59:02 GMT -5
"I don't know why you are being so negative about it. It's pure and simple FACT. Let it be. Lets move on to Prism." Amen
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Post by NeRD on Aug 20, 2013 20:01:10 GMT -5
Not you resorting to another artist when the convo was clearly about Katy. What kind of desperation? When Katy gon' do it doee? :'( Well that's my fave *Kanye shrug* Anyways, arguing with a Rihanna stan is like arguing with an retarded chimp(although the chimp usually makes more sense). I swear everytime I log into Pulse I lose hope with humanity. Is anyone else surprised at how well Roar is holding up? Like I thought for sure she'd have lost #1 to Thicke, but it hasn't happened. I'm stunned but ecstatic. Edit: Josh defending me(in a Katy Perry thread no less) ![](http://ronaldmatters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/bey-crying.gif) LOL the entire discussion was based on Rih and Katy being basic. Nothing to do with Bey. Carry on though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 20:01:48 GMT -5
Teenage Dream had 8 singles and 8 huge radio hits. Let's not kid ourselves here. Just because "Part of Me" didn't hit #1 on radio doesn't mean that it wasn't huge there.
And yes, Teenage Dream was a perfect pop album, or at least as close to one as an album can get (see Breakaway for another example). It had enough of everything on the album to satisfy all different kinds of people and moods. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true. The fact of the matter is that this album sales climate is a completely different animal than it was 10-15 years ago - or even 5 years ago. It would have sold much, much more if the sales market was as bountiful as it was back then.
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Post by Spidey on Aug 20, 2013 20:03:51 GMT -5
Whether you like her music or not, Katy Perry had one of the biggest eras of all time with Teenage Dream. DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Aug 20, 2013 20:05:54 GMT -5
As much as I liked Blurred Lines and its longevity, I'm thrilled Katy was the one to knock it down.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 20, 2013 20:07:19 GMT -5
Ummm, it's not fake. This is coming from Adweek and not some random tumblr blog. Billboard owns AdWeek FYI...
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Post by Arrow on Aug 20, 2013 20:07:39 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is that this album sales climate is a completely different animal than it was 10-15 years ago - or even 5 years ago. It would have sold much, much more if the sales market was as bountiful as it was back then. This same argument could be made about the Hot 100 chart as well though. The Hot 100 methodology is a completely different animal 5 years ago then it was, when even the first TD single charted. Comparing those singles to singles in the past is a completely different ball game, with radio and sales just as it is with album sales. TD was very successful and is probably one of the biggest albums of this selective decade so far (2010- present), but saying it is one of the biggest eras of all time is a joke (especially when you bringing up the collective lack in both touring and album sales for it's climate), it isn't even the biggest era of it's decade (Adele's 21 is by far). The performance of TD's child singles are not the only or major component to a lifetime defining era.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 20, 2013 20:09:57 GMT -5
Whether you like her music or not, Katy Perry had one of the biggest eras of all time with Teenage Dream. DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE. Nothing will ever hit the 7 Top 5s of Janet's Rhythm Nation from a single release but Katy did well with 5 #1's and a Top 3 single from a single album release.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 20:10:47 GMT -5
All this stuff about the perfection known as Teenage Dream is cool and all(it will forever live on in our hearts), but shouldn't we now be talking about how Roar is smashing, selling over 500k, beating her rivals etc?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 20:15:01 GMT -5
Although I have nobody to blame but myself lol.
I'm asking all Katy stans and fans to continue worshiping Roar. Success is the best revenge. And we all can tell it's starting to get to dem gurls.
Thanks, xox
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Post by Gold Soundz on Aug 20, 2013 20:16:22 GMT -5
All this stuff about the perfection known as Teenage Dream is cool and all(it will forever live on in our hearts), but shouldn't we now be talking about how Roar is smashing, selling over 500k, beating her rivals etc? Yes. She tried: ![](http://31.media.tumblr.com/5867dd05c5dcea6d8af863fd08745883/tumblr_mrut4jHsNn1qjy1pgo1_500.jpg)
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Aug 20, 2013 20:19:58 GMT -5
My mind has been set on when Roar will top hot 100. Any predictions? Video release week?
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Post by Gold Soundz on Aug 20, 2013 20:23:38 GMT -5
If she really sold 544k on iTunes alone, probably this week.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 20, 2013 20:23:48 GMT -5
Whether you like her music or not, Katy Perry had one of the biggest eras of all time with Teenage Dream. DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE. Nothing will ever hit the 7 Top 5s of Janet's Rhythm Nation from a single release but Katy did well with 5 #1's and a Top 3 single from a single album release. Teenage Dream spawned 6 #1's from the parent album on CHR, which trumps both Janet's and Michael's CHR history regarding ONE album. 6 #1's >>>> 7 Top 5's
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 20:27:21 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is that this album sales climate is a completely different animal than it was 10-15 years ago - or even 5 years ago. It would have sold much, much more if the sales market was as bountiful as it was back then. This same argument could be made about the Hot 100 chart as well though. The Hot 100 methodology is a completely different animal 5 years ago then it was, when even the first TD single charted. Comparing those singles to singles in the past is a completely different ball game, with radio and sales just as it is with album sales. TD was very successful and is probably one of the biggest albums of this selective decade so far (2010- present), but saying it is one of the biggest eras of all time is a joke (especially when you bringing up the collective lack in both touring and album sales for it's climate), it isn't even the biggest era of it's decade (Adele's 21 is by far). The performance of TD's child singles are not the only or major component to a lifetime defining era. I wasn't talking about single charts, though. I mean actual album sales. As of now, it has spent 144 weeks in the top 200. If an album released in 2004 had the exact same chart run as Teenage Dream with the exact number of weeks in the top 200, it would have sold a heck of a lot more than 2.6 million copies. We can't judge the success of a current album against 21 because that's just a freak of sales nature. Anything would be a flop if we compared it to 21 because it's an anomaly - not the standard.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 20, 2013 20:30:08 GMT -5
Katy actually holds the record regarding CHR history for one album. 6 #1's. Janet and Michael have 5, and maybe another single. It doesn't top it tho.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 20, 2013 20:31:50 GMT -5
Nothing will ever hit the 7 Top 5s of Janet's Rhythm Nation from a single release but Katy did well with 5 #1's and a Top 3 single from a single album release. Teenage Dream spawned 6 #1's from the parent album on CHR, which trumps both Janet's and Michael's CHR history regarding ONE album. 6 #1's >> 7 Top 5's on POP radio. I was referring to the HOT 100. Janet even had one Top 5 airplay single go unreleased. The point being her HUGE album didn't require gimmicks or additional releases just good music. That's not to take anything from Katy though. I'm just keeping things in perspective....because in addition to all those sales Janet also was able to push 8million albums in the US with RN while having 8 top 5 radio hits and 7 top 5 HOT 100 hits from a single album and that doesn't even include the airplay generated from the multitude of other formats Janet had playing her records. I like Katy Perry and love her music and her accomplishments but.... ohh and there is nothing to agree or disagree about. the facts are the facts. Could you imagine if the R&B airplay was in the HOT 100 mix back in when RN was around. She had rock airplay and and R&B airplay and AC airplay from singles off that album.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 20:35:28 GMT -5
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Post by heybren22 on Aug 20, 2013 20:38:36 GMT -5
Maybe BB's Chart Beat reveals this week's Hot 100 #1 tomorrow? JUST.CAN'T.WAIT.
Oh, and is there another source for the Hot 100 before Thursday?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 20, 2013 20:43:51 GMT -5
WTHeck is going on in here? Teenage Dream is a great pop album! Katy does pop like no other right now. The only pure pop album I can think of that is better than Teenage Dream is Let Go by Avril Lavigne (THAT is THE perfect pop album of this generation!)
All you naysayers of the holy spirit of Teenage Dream can have seats and take notes. NEXT
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Post by Arrow on Aug 20, 2013 20:44:39 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about single charts, though. I am though, Teenage Dream's big success is it's singles more than anything else. It's other achievements are much more humble, which is why I am challenging the statement that it's one of the biggest era's ever, or what other nonsense. As to the sales climate being different of course it is (as is the Hot 100 chart which I previously noted as well). There is no telling what TD would have sold if it came out during an earlier time period statistics aside. If TD was released in 2006 or 1996 there is no guarantee that it would have been as successful in those climates as it was in the 2010/2011 one. It's actual total considering what went into it, isn't very impressive when comparing it to other big eras that have been thrown around in this thread. It's album sales aren't even all that impressive in context of this decade (Red, 21 and Recovery are in this instance). TD's impressive feats come almost solely from the Hot 100 chart.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 20:48:35 GMT -5
WTHeck is going on in here? Teenage Dream is a great pop album! Katy does pop like no other right now. The only pure pop album I can think of that is better than Teenage Dream is Let Go by Avril Lavigne (THAT is THE perfect pop album of this generation!) All you naysayers of the holy spirit of Teenage Dream can have seats and take notes. NEXT Good. See I like you sometimes. I wish we were sleeping together, and then you could ban anyone I didn't like :( </3 But let's stay on topic xxx Nobody answered me when the video is suppose to come out :(
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 20, 2013 20:52:04 GMT -5
I think, if it were 2006 or beyond, it would've been even more massive than anything else! How can you say "well....MIGHT have been more successful". NO! You are backtracking. Just let it be for christ's sake. Any argument from 2002 onward will be nullified because of how the market is now. 2.7M and 30M singles would equate to a hella of a lot bigger in 2003. Just let it be and let's move on to Prism.
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Post by Gold Soundz on Aug 20, 2013 20:54:15 GMT -5
The VMAs should keep her at No. 1 on iTunes through the weekend. Maybe next Monday to ensure a (possible third) week at the top?
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Post by Arrow on Aug 20, 2013 20:54:35 GMT -5
How can you say "well....MIGHT have been more successful". NO! You are backtracking. You missed my point completely.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 20, 2013 20:55:41 GMT -5
It doesn't matter.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 20, 2013 20:59:35 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about single charts, though. I am though, Teenage Dream's big success is it's singles more than anything else. It's other achievements are much more humble, which is why I am challenging the statement that it's one of the biggest era's ever, or what other nonsense. As to the sales climate being different of course it is (as is the Hot 100 chart which I previously noted as well). There is no telling what TD would have sold if it came out during an earlier time period statistics aside. If TD was released in 2006 or 1996 there is no guarantee that it would have been as successful in those climates as it was in the 2010/2011 one. It's actual total considering what went into it, isn't very impressive when comparing it to other big eras that have been thrown around in this thread. It's album sales aren't even all that impressive in context of this decade (Red, 21 and Recovery are in this instance). TD's impressive feats come almost solely from the Hot 100 chart. I'm one of the people who says that Teenage Dream - the album - wasn't as big as people sometimes make it out to be. Mainly because its sales are very much under what they should have been considering the number of hits it had. With the original and re-release, EIGHT songs from the album hit #1 on either the Hot 100 or Pop radio (or both). That's impressive! With those stats and today's sales numbers, it should have reached 5 million at least. HOWEVER, the singles themselves made up for it. Even though the album sold 2.6 million copies, I don't consider Katy an album's artist (yet). She's still a (strong) singles artist. But let's punch up some numbers: California Gurls - 4 x Platinum Teenage Dream - 3 x Firework - 5 x E.T. - 5 x Last Friday Night - 3 x The One That Got Away - ? Part Of Me - 2 x Wide Awake - ? That's 22 million singles sold, not including TOTGA and WA. The album sold 2.6 million and, in its original form, has 12 tracks. Let's pull those apart and treat them as singles. 12 x 2.6 = 31.2 million tracks sold individually. Now, let's combine all numbers together as a 12-track album. 53.2 million songs sold, pulled into a 12 track album The equivalent of 4.3 million copies sold of the album, not including sales of two of its singles or the additional tracks added from the re-release. Not bad.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 20, 2013 21:01:46 GMT -5
You are way off in terms of singles sold. Come on now.
CG: 5.5M TD: 4.5M F: 6M ET:5.5M TOTGA:2.3M POM:2.3M WA:3.1M
Roughly estimated = 30M
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