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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2005 22:45:36 GMT -5
Only by dollars. Kenny Chesney put more people in the seats, which matters most. Kenny entertained more people than Shania. He obviously cares about his fans and makes his concerts affordable, unlike other artists. ;) shaniagotchagood is right. Shania's tour made the most money. Also, Shania did play to More fans than Kenny Chesney. Shania toured Worldwide. Add up the money, Shania's tour came out way ahead of Kenny Chesney's tour. Add up the # of tickets sold, and Shania also comes out ahead there too.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Mar 3, 2005 22:51:11 GMT -5
Who cares? Go listen to your Shania GH CD and be content!
Why are Shania fans so insecure that they feel she has to be validated everywhere and by everyone in order for them to be happy? It'd be nice, I'm sure, but it's really not that big of a deal if you enjoy her music.
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Post by drock89 on Mar 3, 2005 22:59:29 GMT -5
Who cares? Go listen to your Shania GH CD and be content! Why are Shania fans so insecure that they feel she has to be validated everywhere and by everyone in order for them to be happy? It'd be nice, I'm sure, but it's really not that big of a deal if you enjoy her music. If someone posted the wrong information about Reba, you would correct them, right? That's all I did. I corrected his information :)
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Mar 3, 2005 23:00:26 GMT -5
If someone posted the wrong information about Reba, you would correct them, right? That's all I did. I corrected his information :) No, you're continuing an argument about how much she deserves a EOTY nomination because her tours and sales are better than everyone else.
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Post by drock89 on Mar 3, 2005 23:01:38 GMT -5
No, you're continuing an argument about how much she deserves a EOTY nomination because her tours and sales are better than everyone else. If you look at what the qualifications are, she fits right in. I'm not trying to argue the point. She got looked over again in favor of the hot acts. That's it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2005 23:19:44 GMT -5
Who cares? Go listen to your Shania GH CD and be content! Why are Shania fans so insecure that they feel she has to be validated everywhere and by everyone in order for them to be happy? It'd be nice, I'm sure, but it's really not that big of a deal if you enjoy her music. If you mean "insecure" as in very frustrated, opinionated and even a bit angry about unfair treatment, then yes. I guess we are "insecure." 10 Years of this crap is far too long. ...and it's only getting worse. If you do not care. Fine. You've got your opinion. We have our opinions and we choose to express them. If you do not wish to read what we have to say then take your own advice. Go put on a CD and be content.
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Post by musicbuff78 on Mar 3, 2005 23:22:23 GMT -5
People keep thinking Reba gets overlooked as well, but she doesn't. She doesn't put out quality material anymore and really hasn't in years.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Mar 3, 2005 23:24:30 GMT -5
If you mean "insecure" as in very frustrated, opinionated and even a bit angry about unfair treatment, then yes. I guess we are "insecure." 10 Years of this crap is far too long. ...and it's only getting worse. If you do not care. Fine. You've got your opinion. We have our opinions and we choose to express them. If you do not wish to read what we have to say then take your own advice. Go put on a CD and be content. MusicSTFan, I'm worried for you that's all. ;) Music is supposed to be fun and enjoyable! Everyone of your posts seems to be some hate-filled rant about the injustices against Shania. Watch your blood pressure! ;)
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Mar 3, 2005 23:25:30 GMT -5
People keep thinking Reba gets overlooked as well, but she doesn't. She doesn't put out quality material anymore and really hasn't in years. Well I'd be able to see your point if I thought people only nominated "good" music. That doesn't explain Toby Keith's nominations though.
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Post by drock89 on Mar 3, 2005 23:28:59 GMT -5
Music is supposed to be fun and enjoyable! ;) Why I quit caring: Shania doesn't care either. These awards really do nothing more than say 'hey, I won an award'. Like I said, her sales dont drop because of not winning. I am actually shocked she got a nomination outside of FOTY..that's what I expected her to get.
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Post by bambas on Mar 3, 2005 23:30:49 GMT -5
start to watch some blood-pressure TCorey! Reba was criticized ;).
Ths is just plain funny in the context above....
Although I think she should have been nominated.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Mar 3, 2005 23:31:52 GMT -5
start to watch some blood-pressure TCorey! Reba was criticized ;). Ths is just plain funny in the context above.... I ain't angry in the least.
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Post by Love4Shania on Mar 4, 2005 3:15:31 GMT -5
Only by dollars. Kenny Chesney put more people in the seats, which matters most. Kenny entertained more people than Shania. He obviously cares about his fans and makes his concerts affordable, unlike other artists. ;) Kenny Chesney had more dates and only played outdoor gigs, which don't have the sort of limited capacity as arenas so what do you expect? Besides that "Kenny playing to more people" is completely bogus! That info was published by pollstar which are NOT the official source for tour information and they ONLY count North American tour dates so Shania is at an extreme disadvantage seeing how she always makes the effort to tour the whole world, unlike other country artists who apparently "care about their fans"! So in result, Shania's 30 or so Europian dates of 2004 weren't even counted....Shania had more sell out shows, grossed the most money and played to well over 1 Million people! Shania was still ranked #3 by the OFFICIAL source, being Billboard! Shania would have even been ranked the #2 tour of the year by Billboard if Madonna's ticket prices weren't so insanely high! Apparently having the most successful tour of the year means squat when it comes to who gets an EOTY nomination....just like all the other country awards, the nominees and winners are just the industry favourites and the awards never live up to their name so they lack all kinds of credability! Entertainer Of The Year? ....yeah maybe Nashville will make a few people believe it was Kenny Chesney but for the Millions of people who saw Shania in concert, they know who the REAL Entertainer Of The Year was! Btw, remember when Shania released Up! and it became the biggest selling country album of the year along with having some strong initial singles yet she didn't even get nominated for Album Of The Year at the CMA's? Nashville have a track record of snubbing Shania, this isn't the first time!
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Post by bks on Mar 4, 2005 8:57:38 GMT -5
Think one thing many on this board don't realize -- the majority of the votes are not in Nashville but across the US as most Country radio programmers and DJ's are voters...so the votes are going to tend to lean towards the most successful artists/songs as perceived by Country radio.
Just looking at Shania for a moment -- she is successful at Country radio but not as much as others have been lately so that probably hurts her...also, her singles have not been calling-out at Country and that's in the back of programmers minds when voting...and the majority of Country programmers don't follow international success but if they did it might work against her as that could seem to them as more worthy of a pop award.
I kind of look at it like this - if an artist was the No. 2 most played at Country and the No. 2 most played at Pop -- someone other than that artist would be No. 1 at Country and No. 1 at Pop...but the artist at No. 2 would be the biggest overall...they may just not win an award in either format because someone else is bigger there...
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Post by musicfan_84 on Mar 4, 2005 10:20:51 GMT -5
Kenny Chesney had more dates and only played outdoor gigs Actually Kenny played indoor arenas on last year's tour.
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Post by musicbuff78 on Mar 4, 2005 13:03:57 GMT -5
I was talking to someone about this the other day, and I believe the only reason Shania is even played on country radio is because the boost she gives the country format in record sales when she releases new material....not because her songs/vocals are good, because they aren't. Know it was different with the Chicks when they were making music because it acutually sounded like country and the songs didn't sound like they were written by 5 yr. olds.
Up! is actually, for Shania, a disappointment when it comes to sales. The only reason it was the biggest selling one that yr is because it was sold as a 2-disc set and each 2-disc set according to RIAA=2 purchases, which I think is dumb. For example, for a 2-cd set to be certfied 4xplatinum (sales of 4 million units), it only has to sell 2 million copies, whereas a single cd unit has to sell twice as much.
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Post by Love4Shania on Mar 4, 2005 16:52:02 GMT -5
Know it was different with the Chicks when they were making music because it acutually sounded like country and the songs didn't sound like they were written by 5 yr. olds. Is that supposed to be a stab at Shania's songwriting ability? ....Shania has been writing meaningful songs since day 1 of her career. From You're Still The One to From This Moment On, Millions of people around the world get married to Shania's music each year, even some of her lesser known songs such as Black Eyes Blue Tears, She's Not Just A Pretty Face and I Ain't Goin Down have a deep lyrical meaning to them. It is the people who make your sort of unnecessary comments who are the 5 yr. olds! Up! is actually, for Shania, a disappointment when it comes to sales. The only reason it was the biggest selling one that yr is because it was sold as a 2-disc set and each 2-disc set according to RIAA=2 purchases, which I think is dumb. For example, for a 2-cd set to be certfied 4xplatinum (sales of 4 million units), it only has to sell 2 million copies, whereas a single cd unit has to sell twice as much. First of all it is the RIAA make up the rules when it comes to certs, not Shania. Loads of artists have benefitted from double certs...even triple certs so it shouldn't even be an issue, if you don't like it then just use a different source like Soundscan. Secondly....you could half Up!'s cert and it would have still been among the top sellers of 2002/3! Up! has sold over 5 Million copies according to Soundscan making it the biggest selling Country album since it's release. I take it that you are trying to compare Up!'s success with Come On Over....which is just a ridiculous comparison. Up! was still a big success like it or not but NO album will EVER reach the sales hight of Come On Over again, you can forget that because it just ain't gonna happen!
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Post by musicbuff78 on Mar 4, 2005 17:21:40 GMT -5
No reason to get all antsy. Feel better now though? Up! may have been certified 5xplat but thats only selling 2.5 million copies, which compared to her other works, is quite pathetic.
My opinions, are just that, opinions. Get used to them.
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Post by jamatthews on Mar 4, 2005 17:44:52 GMT -5
No reason to get all antsy. Feel better now though? Up! may have been certified 5xplat but thats only selling 2.5 million copies, which compared to her other works, is quite pathetic. My opinions, are just that, opinions. Get used to them. Up was actually certified as Diamond (10 million) and therefore shipped 5 million.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2005 18:24:10 GMT -5
No reason to get all antsy. Feel better now though? Up! may have been certified 5xplat but thats only selling 2.5 million copies, which compared to her other works, is quite pathetic. My opinions, are just that, opinions. Get used to them. Wrong. "Up!" was RIAA certified for 11 Million. That means that 5.5 million were Shipped. Double that number, according to RIAA rules, and you get 11 million. It will probably be in need of a 12 million certification soon. According to Soundscan, "Up!" has SOLD over 5.2 million copies in stores. That sales total does not include sales from music clubs.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Mar 4, 2005 19:19:58 GMT -5
Get it back on topic. This isn't a thread to debate Shania's sales. She isn't even nominated for an award and 3 pages of the thread is an argument about her. Let's end it please.
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Post by bamafan2102 on Mar 4, 2005 22:33:47 GMT -5
But wait Tcorey... I was just getting ready to bash the Academy for not nominating The Sons of The Desert for group like they did last year...wait they weren't together then either. I am changing nickname to Sons fan and any one who bashes them will feel the WRATH!!!!
All kidding aside I agree mostly that Shania gets snubbed, but so have thousands of other artist in their careers. I know she has outsold almost everyone but it's all about the voters. Everyone has their opinions and apparently the voters don't like her for whatever reason.
Look at Brad Paisley. Where is the Male Vocalist nomination? Album? He has had MUCH more sucess than Sara Evans and she got nominated. Don't tell me that Male vocalist is for singing style because didn't Toby Keith win one or two? And we all no he is no singer. Brad dosen't mind telling you he isn't the best singer, he would rather play guitar, but if he is such a OPRY guy, shouldn't the acadamy give him some recognition? Whiskey Lullaby got some but those are just small nominations in the big scheme of things.
Just went and looked at the nominees again and see a single and song nomination for Brad but those aren't really individual. Song goes to writers and single will go to him AND Alison if they win.
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Post by Marv on Mar 5, 2005 1:46:55 GMT -5
I'm delighted that Lee Ann Womack secured those high-profile nominations, and her stellar CD will undoubtedly merit serious consideration for CD of the year at this fall's CMA ceremony, as well as next year's ACM show.
Great to have her back on the radio with one of the VERY best country CDs of the past few years.
The fact that Brad Paisley and George Strait couldn';t get nominated for best male vocalist shows how loaded THAT category is, as it was at the CMAs.
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Post by Love4Shania on Mar 5, 2005 4:41:17 GMT -5
Get it back on topic. This isn't a thread to debate Shania's sales. She isn't even nominated for an award and 3 pages of the thread is an argument about her. Let's end it please. Actually Shania is up for 1 award....but it is just typical how they snub her out of the main catagories as usual despite her being one of the most successful country artists pretty much every year. Surely acheiving success warrents some nominations and wins....but I guess not seeing how Shania has only had 9 nominations and 1 win at the CMA's...which is quite pathetic on Nashville's part considering she is the biggest selling female country artist in history. Even with Up! Shania acheived more success then any other female country artist and most (if not, ALL) of the males too yet Shania didn't recieve a SINGLE nomination for Up!, her last nomination was in 1999! I'm not sure about all of Shania's ACM track record but I know it ain't good either, If I remember right, after Shania released Up! she lost the Album Of The Year nomination to Faith Hill's new album which was a complete flop! Country awards have no credability anymore! ....well, except the fan voted ones.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Mar 5, 2005 10:58:49 GMT -5
Actually Shania is up for 1 award....but it is just typical how they snub her out of the main catagories as usual despite her being one of the most successful country artists pretty much every year. Surely acheiving success warrents some nominations and wins....but I guess not seeing how Shania has only had 9 nominations and 1 win at the CMA's...which is quite pathetic on Nashville's part considering she is the biggest selling female country artist in history. Even with Up! Shania acheived more success then any other female country artist and most (if not, ALL) of the males too yet Shania didn't recieve a SINGLE nomination for Up!, her last nomination was in 1999! I'm not sure about all of Shania's ACM track record but I know it ain't good either, If I remember right, after Shania released Up! she lost the Album Of The Year nomination to Faith Hill's new album which was a complete flop! Country awards have no credability anymore! ....well, except the fan voted ones. Stop.
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Post by musicbuff78 on Mar 5, 2005 13:24:46 GMT -5
well, except the fan voted ones. Those don't have any credibility either.
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Post by Love4Shania on Mar 5, 2005 15:19:30 GMT -5
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Post by musicfan_84 on Mar 5, 2005 15:30:52 GMT -5
Because this topic is about ACM nominations, not a Shania argument thread. Someone should start a Shania thread and continue this topic.
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Post by musicbuff78 on Mar 5, 2005 17:12:56 GMT -5
Messageboards always have threads that go off-topic. Sorry, but just get used to it or don't read them.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Mar 5, 2005 17:21:41 GMT -5
Messageboards always have threads that go off-topic. Sorry, but just get used to it or don't read them. No, stop going off topic or it'll be closed. The thread's purpose is not to argue about Shania.
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