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Post by Juanca on Nov 27, 2013 14:14:27 GMT -5
Well, I think JAF connected just fine but with no video and no adds date in pop it didn't do much noise -except a surprising top 50 placing. It may not be Xtina's name that made the song stand out in radio... It could've been Kelly, Pink, Leona maybe. However, I think the female voice component took it to a higher level. Add that what I consider a perfect, emotional vocal performance and boom! Full effect. It happens that Xtina did an outstanding job in this song. Enough with minimizing her role!!! I cried again just hearing them perform the song at the AMAs. Sometimes it's a combination of factors that make a song a hit/smash. I think this song has great combo of superb lyrics, melody and vocal delivery. Xtina played an important role in elevating this song to maybe smash status. Yes, there are cases of indie, alternative or 'obscure' songs becoming hits, but many many more cases of great songs that just stop short of that. I thought little talks or next to me or beneath your beautiful or born to die or shake it off could be smashes --but they weren't unfortunately. SS could've had the same fate. What we know is that their version with Xtina exploded. That's the fact. Other arguments are for alternate universes.
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Post by dbhmr on Nov 27, 2013 14:22:50 GMT -5
Jesus. No one is minimizing her role. What's happening is her fans are completely exaggerating her role, and the rest of us aren't buying it. I don't think there's been one critique of her vocal performance on this track--that has to be some kind of first for her on "Pulse," at least for the last few years. She sounds gorgeous. That has nothing to do with what's being discussed, which is that there's far more at play than her presence that is launching this to such heights.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 27, 2013 14:23:13 GMT -5
I feel like I see many people either diminishing or emphasizing Christina's role. In my opinion, clearly Christina should be given a lot of credit, but obviously the quality of the song and other factors also deserve a lot of credit too. I don't get arguments trying to either make it all about Christina OR not at all about Christina. Both seem simplistic to me.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 27, 2013 14:26:08 GMT -5
^ Not to mention Christina's vocals are so diminished here that she is almost unrecognizable to the general public. Yet the version with her is #1 on iTunes. The public has a choice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 14:35:19 GMT -5
Beep beep Coco time! I think what is going here evident by some of the threads popping up is that Christina fans so thirsty for success and I don't blame you we all want it are going FULL BLOWN out of control. Nobody is saying Christina doesn't sound good or help the song but what I feel is she is benefiting from being featured on a very lovely song. She neither hurts nor makes the song so can we please give GBW some credit here! They made a great song. I like her part, she sing lovely but you can't help someone just off name when you can't even help your own damn self, HELLO! The notion is what is bugging me! Great song with or without, kudos to all.
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Post by lookinghot on Nov 27, 2013 14:36:57 GMT -5
What an amazing performance from the amas!! Shockingly beautiful, where's the solo Christina version?
This song has been floating around since before Christina touched it. Hadn't it achieved minimal iTunes success due to one of the dancing shows? Obviously joining forces with xtina has done nothing but elevate the song to new levels and garnered more exposure. The song is beautiful enough without her and still could have seen success without xtina but her involvement is what got people listening. I wish people could place sside their feelings for her and be objective rather than discrediting her and making her involvement appear meaningless.
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Post by allow that on Nov 27, 2013 15:20:31 GMT -5
^ Not to mention Christina's vocals are so diminished here that she is almost unrecognizable to the general public. Yet the version with her is #1 on iTunes. The public has a choice. The public is buying what they're exposed to via the media. The fact that the solo version has had zero exposure yet made it to the iTunes Top 40 when the version with Christina is positioned in front of everyone's faces deserves some mentioning and logical thought as well.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 27, 2013 15:25:16 GMT -5
Yet the version with her is #1 on iTunes. The public has a choice. The public is buying what they're exposed to via the media. The fact that the solo version has had zero exposure yet made it to the iTunes Top 40 when the version with Christina is positioned in front of everyone's faces deserves some mentioning and logical thought as well. It was featured on SYTYCD prior as a solo track and it made a small dent and disappeared on iTunes just as quickly. This isn't the first time a song has had multiple versions that have charted highly on iTunes.
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Post by allow that on Nov 27, 2013 15:28:15 GMT -5
The public is buying what they're exposed to via the media. The fact that the solo version has had zero exposure yet made it to the iTunes Top 40 when the version with Christina is positioned in front of everyone's faces deserves some mentioning and logical thought as well. It was featured on SYTYCD prior as a solo track and it made a small dent and disappeared on iTunes just as quickly. This isn't the first time a song has had multiple versions that have charted highly on iTunes. Cool... what's that have to do with my point though? People are going out of their way to find a version without Christina following a performance in which she was included. #fact
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Post by Xtina on Nov 27, 2013 15:34:15 GMT -5
It was featured on SYTYCD prior as a solo track and it made a small dent and disappeared on iTunes just as quickly. This isn't the first time a song has had multiple versions that have charted highly on iTunes. Cool... what's that have to do with my point though? People are going out of their way to find a version without Christina following a performance in which she was included. #fact Omg I bet the same people who bought the version without her bought the one with her too!
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Post by allow that on Nov 27, 2013 15:35:25 GMT -5
Cool... what's that have to do with my point though? People are going out of their way to find a version without Christina following a performance in which she was included. #fact Omg I bet the same people who bought the version without her bought the one with her too! Well if that's the case that's hardly complimentary
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Post by silverwhite on Nov 27, 2013 15:55:05 GMT -5
I feel like I see many people either diminishing or emphasizing Christina's role. In my opinion, clearly Christina should be given a lot of credit, but obviously the quality of the song and other factors also deserve a lot of credit too. I don't get arguments trying to either make it all about Christina OR not at all about Christina. Both seem simplistic to me. QFT The song would still have done well without Xtina, but probably not as well. On the other hand, a lot of people are exaggerating her lack of solo success on radio. IMO, the last two albums were weighed down by the wrong choice of lead single. NMT and YB both flew up the charts before stalling, which shows that there was interest but the songs didn't connect with people. By the time they released the right songs (YLM, JAF), it was too late. With the right song, she can still do well solo
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Post by bunifah on Nov 27, 2013 16:26:17 GMT -5
Still people have the nerve to say 'it's the song its that's fueling the sucess more than Christina's feature'?...of course it's the quality of the song that's fueling the success more than Christina's feature. How could it be anything else? If the song sucked and/or didn't connect with people, it wouldn't go anywhere. Small indie bands/artists like this have had songs that connect with the public and pop radio over and over again, particularly these counter-dance-type songs in the past few years (Owl City, Foster the People, Gotye, Lorde, The Neighborhood, etc.), not to mention the increasing prevalence of piano-driven ballads. To look at it another way, Christina has released some perfectly good songs/features and/or songs that were capable of connecting with audiences that didn't--Your Body, Just A Fool, Castle Walls. But they didn't take off. There are other things at work here than Christina sending this to the top. It's a great song that has the counter-sound that can really work with pop radio. What usually happens, however, is that it takes quite some time--then it explodes and the band is invited to all the big shows to promote. Christina became a part of this song, however, and all that was handed to them much more easily. Which is a huge part of its immediate success, but given Christina's recent track record on radio, that probably points much more to the exposure than the actual sonic presence of Christina. Take "The Dog Days Are Over"--that song exploded after Florence + The Machine performed it on the VMAs. Songs like this either need time to build or exposure; this song received the latter, thanks to Christina, but if the song wasn't going to connect or wasn't good, all the exposure and pretty Christina singing wouldn't have propelled it to success. In the end of the day, if the song was going to be a case of a success after months and months of building up in a small niche or at HAC before blowing up, I'm sorry, we will never ever really know. The fact is that Christina helped make the song a hit by giving it the exposure and the additional out of the gates sales that - as you say - MAYBE would happen if MAYBE it created a slow but consistent hype around it on its own. I'm not saying everything you said is wrong, cause it's not and that's happens from time to time to indie acts and indie songs. What I am just laying on the table are the facts that some people on this board refuse to accept which is that: Sorry but this song became a hit because of Christina and her promo to it. Sure we can stay years here talking about what should could or woulda happen to the solo version of One Great World of this song, but since it didn't happen I'm just basing my speech as what actually did: On the second Christina's name was attached to the song, it exploded in downloads And again, she sang it again on the AMAs and her version once again went to #1 If Christina was such a jynx with nothing but failures under her chart belt, by now the solo version of the song would be sitting in #1 and her version as a duet would be out of the TOP20. The receipts are that people are more interested in her duet so well, Christina's haters need to just accept that it's her take with them that is selling this band
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Post by bunifah on Nov 27, 2013 16:27:48 GMT -5
^ Not to mention Christina's vocals are so diminished here that she is almost unrecognizable to the general public. Yet the version with her is #1 on iTunes. The public has a choice. THIS post pretty much finishes the whole discussion that is going on at the past few pages. You served the final receipt.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Nov 27, 2013 16:49:06 GMT -5
Paul Grein:
"Say Something" by A Great Big World and Christina Aguilera is expected to rebound from #38 in its third week. The song debuted at #16 two weeks ago. Digital sales rank: #6 (121K). It's vying to become Aguilera's 11th top 10 hit. As you can see, Aguilera has co-equal billing on the hit. She had featured billing on Maroon 5's "Moves Like Jagger" and Pitbull's "Feel This Moment." Is her part larger on this song than it was on those other two top 10 hits? Yeah, I didn't think so either.
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Post by Gold Soundz on Nov 27, 2013 20:39:02 GMT -5
This song is pretty inoffensive. I like her vocal restraint. "Your Body" was catchy and definitely hit material, but it would've been a much bigger hit had Britney or Rihanna laid down the vocals. She was unlikable, and like Werde mentioned, didn't seem to really "want it" (and by "it," to be big again) at the time.
I've always been slightly repulsed by her personality, but I can't help but root for her right now since she seems to actually be getting it together, even if it's taken her a decade. I know all that she's done is lost weight and become more positive, but neither are easy feats, especially for someone who is both insecure and egotistical (see my favorite: Mariah). When Mariah loses weight, you know she means business. Christina's first two albums were fantastic, and Back to Basics, while not as accessible, was a strong effort--although it would've been stronger as a single disc with less filler. I would love to see her turn out another great modern R&B/Pop album. The clock is ticking, though.
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Post by chinacandy on Nov 27, 2013 20:54:37 GMT -5
...of course it's the quality of the song that's fueling the success more than Christina's feature. How could it be anything else? If the song sucked and/or didn't connect with people, it wouldn't go anywhere. Small indie bands/artists like this have had songs that connect with the public and pop radio over and over again, particularly these counter-dance-type songs in the past few years (Owl City, Foster the People, Gotye, Lorde, The Neighborhood, etc.), not to mention the increasing prevalence of piano-driven ballads. To look at it another way, Christina has released some perfectly good songs/features and/or songs that were capable of connecting with audiences that didn't--Your Body, Just A Fool, Castle Walls. But they didn't take off. There are other things at work here than Christina sending this to the top. It's a great song that has the counter-sound that can really work with pop radio. What usually happens, however, is that it takes quite some time--then it explodes and the band is invited to all the big shows to promote. Christina became a part of this song, however, and all that was handed to them much more easily. Which is a huge part of its immediate success, but given Christina's recent track record on radio, that probably points much more to the exposure than the actual sonic presence of Christina. Take "The Dog Days Are Over"--that song exploded after Florence + The Machine performed it on the VMAs. Songs like this either need time to build or exposure; this song received the latter, thanks to Christina, but if the song wasn't going to connect or wasn't good, all the exposure and pretty Christina singing wouldn't have propelled it to success. In the end of the day, if the song was going to be a case of a success after months and months of building up in a small niche or at HAC before blowing up, I'm sorry, we will never ever really know. The fact is that Christina helped make the song a hit by giving it the exposure and the additional out of the gates sales that - as you say - MAYBE would happen if MAYBE it created a slow but consistent hype around it on its own. I'm not saying everything you said is wrong, cause it's not and that's happens from time to time to indie acts and indie songs. What I am just laying on the table are the facts that some people on this board refuse to accept which is that: Sorry but this song became a hit because of Christina and her promo to it. Sure we can stay years here talking about what should could or woulda happen to the solo version of One Great World of this song, but since it didn't happen I'm just basing my speech as what actually did: On the second Christina's name was attached to the song, it exploded in downloads And again, she sang it again on the AMAs and her version once again went to #1 If Christina was such a jynx with nothing but failures under her chart belt, by now the solo version of the song would be sitting in #1 and her version as a duet would be out of the TOP20. The receipts are that people are more interested in her duet so well, Christina's haters need to just accept that it's her take with them that is selling this band I agree with this post mainly because Christina has maintained a higher public profile this year. Pitbull's Feel this Moment has helped her built a lot of momentum and I am glad she is taking advantage of the positive exposure she got from that song and is using that to launch her comeback.
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Post by kimcheebeats on Nov 27, 2013 21:20:53 GMT -5
How is pitbull even part of this convo
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Post by allow that on Nov 27, 2013 21:30:29 GMT -5
How is pitbull even part of this convo Because he indirectly paved the way for A Great Big World to smash. Duh! (in someone's version of the world)
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Post by chinacandy on Nov 27, 2013 21:37:07 GMT -5
How is pitbull even part of this convo Because he indirectly paved the way for A Great Big World to smash. Duh! (in someone's version of the world) Just saying what charismatic posted in page 1 actually holds some weight. Pitbull helped her to increase her relevance with music listeners this year. Without Feel this Moment smashing, this song may have gone unnoticed.
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Post by theflying on Nov 27, 2013 21:56:02 GMT -5
I love how I got a warning level increase for comparing two certain someones to Burt and Ernie.
I should totally just go into random threads and make hilarious claims.
Can I credit Kelly Clarkson's career to Christina because she wrote her a legitimate Pop #1 hit? Because without that Kelly never would have been more than a talent show one hit wonder. DUH.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Nov 27, 2013 23:53:41 GMT -5
Because he indirectly paved the way for A Great Big World to smash. Duh! (in someone's version of the world) Just saying what charismatic posted in page 1 actually holds some weight. Pitbull helped her to increase her relevance with music listeners this year. Without Feel this Moment smashing, this song may have gone unnoticed.
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Post by chinacandy on Nov 28, 2013 11:53:52 GMT -5
I love how I got a warning level increase for comparing two certain someones to Burt and Ernie. I should totally just go into random threads and make hilarious claims. Can I credit Kelly Clarkson's career to Christina because she wrote her a legitimate Pop #1 hit? Because without that Kelly never would have been more than a talent show one hit wonder. DUH.Sorry for your warning level increase. I have nothing against you and I am a new Xtina fan now. I do hope you become less antagonistic towards posters on this board though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 12:07:07 GMT -5
What does Christina have to do to get herself a hit?
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Post by chinacandy on Nov 28, 2013 12:21:48 GMT -5
What does Christina have to do to get herself a hit? I think Christina has a lot of chemistry with Pitbull. If Christina works with him for her next comeback single with a fresh song with stellar production (no EDM or club music, I think the two of them would do very well with R&B), I think she can go number 1 again.
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Post by allow that on Nov 28, 2013 12:35:38 GMT -5
What does Christina have to do to get herself a hit? I think Christina has a lot of chemistry with Pitbull. If Christina works with him for her next comeback single with a fresh song with stellar production (no EDM or club music, I think the two of them would do very well with R&B), I think she can go number 1 again. But what does she have to do to get herself a hit? (no features included??)
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 28, 2013 12:43:58 GMT -5
Pitbull is the new T-Pain. If Christina goes back to him, she'll be backing herself into a box. Right now she's working it right. Her next album should be a lighter pop album with restraint and a gentle delivery. She can reign again. She needs to stop being a skank.
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Post by silverwhite on Nov 28, 2013 15:21:00 GMT -5
Again, it's not that big a mystery. She needs the right song. NMT and YB weren't it
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 28, 2013 23:49:25 GMT -5
A GREAT BIG WORLD β Say Something w/C. Aguilera: 21.506 (+ 1.490) (Overall) Another great update and also finally Top 40 by jumping 4 spots to #37 on Pop!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 23:51:42 GMT -5
Again, it's not that big a mystery. She needs the right song. Oh.
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