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Post by dbhmr on Oct 14, 2014 13:03:19 GMT -5
The victim is always blamed so I expect Dr. Luke to come out of this like a hero. I can already here him saying, "She came onto me first. She attacked me in a violent drunken rage and I had to get her away from me. You guys have seen her image since she first came out. Her drunken party girl persona was a real thing we had to deal with in the studio." Blah blah blah. I sincerely doubt that will be his reaction. Using a cynical PR perspective, it'd be the most horrific, amateur choice and he's too high up to have management that poor. It would just play so poorly. He will remain quiet for as long as possible while his team builds a carefully crafted message that doesn't make Kesha look like a mess, but rather sick, unfortunate. He will be scared for her, sorry she's tormented in this way. They will not paint her as a femme fatale, but rather Amanda Bynes, if it comes to it.
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Post by josh on Oct 14, 2014 13:03:44 GMT -5
Haven't other people talked about how Dr. Luke is not a pleasant person to work with, though?
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Post by dbhmr on Oct 14, 2014 13:10:55 GMT -5
Haven't other people talked about how Dr. Luke is not a pleasant person to work with, though? I think all info was pulled here or elsewhere when rumblings about her wanting to get out of her contract came out a few months ago, but I don't remember. All I know for sure is that Kelly Clarkson has actively avoided him in spite of helping to bring him to the forefront of pop music and getting huge hits with him. That says something, just not sure how big.
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Post by Flip on Oct 14, 2014 13:18:17 GMT -5
omg :o sue that dude. I mean, he's a great producer, but he caused Kesha's eating disorder and now this? And G.R.L. works with Kemosabe/Dr. Luke too. Gives me bad feelings.
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Post by getonthebus on Oct 14, 2014 13:22:33 GMT -5
I was waiting for the next bomb to drop in this whole thing. No way was she going to go back to work with him after treatment.
For the record, the way he treats his young, female artists like a carousel has always seemed a little skeevy to me.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Oct 14, 2014 13:25:21 GMT -5
How long until Becky G turns 18...
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Post by Flip on Oct 14, 2014 13:26:56 GMT -5
How long until Becky G turns 18... Less than five months. Please seek for another label, Becky..
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Post by Mack on Oct 14, 2014 13:48:49 GMT -5
So now Luke is counter-suing her and is claiming that Kesha has admitted that her allegations are false. What kind of mess...
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Oct 14, 2014 13:52:19 GMT -5
Dr. Luke will come out of this unscathed and just release more generic music that everyone will go apeshit over and make millions of dollars from it. He is claiming she is lying to get out of her contract, but there are other pop stars who seem to actively avoid him now so I would not doubt that at least some of it is true.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Oct 14, 2014 13:55:11 GMT -5
Just let her go Luke. Damn. Your image will be "saved", oh god , and she can go about her business and drop the suit. I still do find her mom to be kinda sorta bat shit crazy so I wouldn't put it above her to do something like this unfortunately.
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Post by SHOOTER on Oct 14, 2014 14:48:45 GMT -5
There might be some exaggeration for the sake of the lawsuit but I definitely think Ke$ha's story is rooted in fact, not fiction.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 15:11:14 GMT -5
There might be some exaggeration for the sake of the lawsuit but I definitely think Ke$ha's story is rooted in fact, not fiction. She has absolutely no reason to lie about this. The documents weren't intended to go public either. Allegations of sexual abuse are only ever fabricated, like, 2% of the time. I don't think we were ever meant to know about this, but this definitely explains the rehab stint and falling out. There's no way this is that calculated.
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Post by MyLastView on Oct 14, 2014 15:19:55 GMT -5
I think there has got to be some truth to this, especially (as others have stated) with other artists claiming to have been trying to stay clear of him or just calling him out on being a general douche, Kelly being the most notable case.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 14, 2014 15:21:44 GMT -5
I really hope she is okay. Being abused for 10 years? Damn.
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Post by ILLUSION on Oct 14, 2014 15:30:44 GMT -5
Wow, this is crazy
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Post by dbhmr on Oct 14, 2014 15:43:06 GMT -5
There might be some exaggeration for the sake of the lawsuit but I definitely think Ke$ha's story is rooted in fact, not fiction. She has absolutely no reason to lie about this. The documents weren't intended to go public either. Allegations of sexual abuse are only ever fabricated, like, 2% of the time. I don't think we were ever meant to know about this, but this definitely explains the rehab stint and falling out. There's no way this is that calculated. I don't agree about the documents not intended to go public--that's exactly what a lawsuit is. Filing alone makes it public knowledge, and I think--if this is true--she knows public support will be paramount to overcoming someone in such a position of power, particularly with all the PR damage to her name/brand (the party girl image, the rehab), and the already slippery nature of public opinion when it comes to girls with a "promiscuous" image. Even if it isn't Kesha directly, her lawyers know the power of public opinion and "getting there first." As for what's true or not, none of us are in any position to decide which of these allegations are true, false, exaggerated, etc. Just have to wait for more, but what an awful situation.
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Post by Ginger Spice on Oct 14, 2014 15:50:06 GMT -5
Haven't other people talked about how Dr. Luke is not a pleasant person to work with, though? I think all info was pulled here or elsewhere when rumblings about her wanting to get out of her contract came out a few months ago, but I don't remember. All I know for sure is that Kelly Clarkson has actively avoided him in spite of helping to bring him to the forefront of pop music and getting huge hits with him. That says something, just not sure how big. I immediately thought of her and a few others. If I remember correctly, P!nk and The Veronicas refused to work with him a second time despite him giving The Veronicas their first hit, and P!nk the hit that relaunched her career. Britney's team also didn't want him touching Britney Jean despite her having three top 10's from the previous album that was executive produced by him. I never really thought much about it, but something doesn't add up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 16:08:12 GMT -5
She has absolutely no reason to lie about this. The documents weren't intended to go public either. Allegations of sexual abuse are only ever fabricated, like, 2% of the time. I don't think we were ever meant to know about this, but this definitely explains the rehab stint and falling out. There's no way this is that calculated. I don't agree about the documents not intended to go public--that's exactly what a lawsuit is. Filing alone makes it public knowledge, and I think--if this is true--she knows public support will be paramount to overcoming someone in such a position of power, particularly with all the PR damage to her name/brand (the party girl image, the rehab), and the already slippery nature of public opinion when it comes to girls with a "promiscuous" image. Even if it isn't Kesha directly, her lawyers know the power of public opinion and "getting there first." As for what's true or not, none of us are in any position to decide which of these allegations are true, false, exaggerated, etc. Just have to wait for more, but what an awful situation. Its true that it becomes public record-- didn't think about that. When taking on Luke before, she wasn't the one to make a big deal of it though-- that was her mother. All she did was unfollow him on Twitter, which started the rumors. But that in mind, maybe it is calculated,; because following that the news started trickling out about the conflict? Idk On another note. Does anyone else remember the leaked photos of her in bed with what looked like Luke though? Not sure what to make of that now or if it could prove relevant, but that did come to mind.
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Post by getonthebus on Oct 14, 2014 16:58:37 GMT -5
This is some serious shit, and everyone involved has already lost. If even SOME of these allegations are true, this is horrifying.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Oct 14, 2014 17:04:08 GMT -5
I didn't know about Veronicas and Pink getting away from him too. He must be pretty damn bad if so many stars that had big hits with him don't work with him now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 17:38:59 GMT -5
Dr. Luke will come out of this unscathed and just release more generic music that everyone will go apeshit over and make millions of dollars from it. He is claiming she is lying to get out of her contract, but there are other pop stars who seem to actively avoid him now so I would not doubt that at least some of it is true. 90%of the messages I've read on social media articles about this are appalling. It's disgusting to know that people aren't taking these allegations seriously because Keshia's career isn't going too well so either she must want money, or she's lying simply because people don't take her music seriously. I'm not a fan of her or her music, but when people make such disgusting comments, it's no wonder so many women (and people in general) have so many self-esteem and body image issues. Similar allegations came out when Keshia went to rehab, and Dr. Luke was pointed to as the horrible guy back then; I believe this story because this isn't the first time allegations against DL have been made. Good for her for having the courage to speak out, because this should be totally unacceptable, celebrity or not.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Oct 14, 2014 17:40:16 GMT -5
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Post by Ginger Spice on Oct 14, 2014 17:54:45 GMT -5
I forgot about that.
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Post by MyLastView on Oct 14, 2014 18:17:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 18:58:40 GMT -5
I can already here him saying, "She came onto me first. She attacked me in a violent drunken rage and I had to get her away from me. You guys have seen her image since she first came out. Her drunken party girl persona was a real thing we had to deal with in the studio." Blah blah blah. I sincerely doubt that will be his reaction. Using a cynical PR perspective, it'd be the most horrific, amateur choice and he's too high up to have management that poor. It would just play so poorly. He will remain quiet for as long as possible while his team builds a carefully crafted message that doesn't make Kesha look like a mess, but rather sick, unfortunate. He will be scared for her, sorry she's tormented in this way. They will not paint her as a femme fatale, but rather Amanda Bynes, if it comes to it. and also, that would be character testimony, which most times is inadmissible unless it directly relates to the claim at hand (i.e. he can claim and try to prove that she willingly had sex with him but he can't bring up any other partners she may have had, and he can't say "well she acts like a drunken slut so obviously she must be"; and actually they probably can't really play the Bynes card either, as being crazo doesn't preclude one from being vulnerable to assault). this is a civil case but i assume the rape shield law would apply just as it would in a criminal trial, which is why as much as the judicial system's flaws bother me sometimes I will never not be grateful that we have the system that we do...God only knows how f**ked we would be if everything was left to the idiots making forum comments. Anyway, I say that to say that i would also assume his team would advise him to say nothing. then again, i've seen people make dumber slip-ups (Cee Lo comes to mind) so who knows. weird coincidence, i was looking for something in my old gchat conversations with a friend last night and came across a months old conversation we had about how dr. luke seemed like a svengali-like control freak. she was talking about how dr. luke was shady for playing Beyonce's "Pretty Hurts" for Katy (for those not in the know, Sia sent the song to Katy, but somehow Katy missed that email), to which i responded, yeah, he's not just a troll, he is also happy that Katy never heard the song because it meant he got to maintain 100% control over what went on her album. my gaydar must be broken, b/c i really just had him pegged as an extremely misogynistic asshole, not into women in any sort of way except as a packaged product to sell his work for him. i'm going to assume Kesha has multiple witnesses for this suit. it wouldn't make sense for her to file it with only her word against his. obviously getting out of her contract is what she wants out of this, but it isn't just about the contract, it's about her mental and physical well-being.
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Post by surfy on Oct 14, 2014 23:04:28 GMT -5
Oh. My. :o
If this is true... I just can't think about this... it makes me sick...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 23:14:30 GMT -5
I just remembered that tweet she made (then deleted) after Sandy Hook where she said she was 'forced' to sing Die Young. She got dragged for that at the time, but now...
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Post by Ginger Spice on Oct 14, 2014 23:24:20 GMT -5
I just remembered that tweet she made (then deleted) after Sandy Hook where she said she was 'forced' to sing Die Young. She got dragged for that at the time, but now... A lot of things that seemed random or weird are adding up and making sense now.
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Post by Flip on Oct 15, 2014 1:56:23 GMT -5
Wait.. He's on Pulse?
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Post by surfy on Oct 15, 2014 2:04:44 GMT -5
we honestly don't know...
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