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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Nov 18, 2013 17:03:55 GMT -5
I don't usually listen to the radio except when I am in traffic in the car or something. I listened to my local CHR/Pop station KMVQ and I noticed it today. Earlier they played Katy Perry's "Roar", but they stopped it before the 'bridge', then a few songs later, they played a 2.5 minute edit of "Blurred Lines" which omitted everything from the rap onward. They cut it right when the rap starts. But other songs they played in full, and they usually played both songs in full too. And it wasn't at the end of a music set before commercials. It was in the middle. And yesterday they ended "Wrecking Ball" and "Do What U Want" before the bridges too.  Is this becoming a new thing on radio where they play just 60-75% of the song? |
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Post by spoonabdul3 on Nov 18, 2013 17:14:22 GMT -5
I hear this sometimes. I remember my local chr station liked to cut off Jessie J Domino. I cant rmember where or how they cut it but it became like a 2min30sec song.
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Post by johnm1120 on Nov 18, 2013 23:43:35 GMT -5
Y100 would cut out a whole verse in songs back in the day. I specifically remember they did it on the following:
R. Kelly - I Believe I Can Fly
Enrique Iglesias - Be With You
Gloria Estefan & 'N Sync - Music of My Heart
Bryan Adams - Let's Make A Night to Remember
Mariah Carey - Through the Rain
Kid Rock & Sheryl Crow - Picture
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Post by Kurt on Nov 18, 2013 23:44:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2013 23:55:02 GMT -5
The only time I've ever encountered this was when my local HOT AC station would omit any rap verse in a hit. "Just Dance" and "Blurred Lines" are the first two songs on the top of my head that they did that with.
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Post by M1tchD on Nov 19, 2013 17:08:55 GMT -5
The only time I've ever encountered this was when my local HOT AC station would omit any rap verse in a hit. "Just Dance" and "Blurred Lines" are the first two songs on the top of my head that they did that with. My local CHR used to do that. They don't anymore since they don't lean HAC now, but it was annoying hearing songs like "Hips Don't Lie" and "Let It Rock" without an entire verse. |
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Post by emerald on Nov 19, 2013 21:55:36 GMT -5
The only time I've ever encountered this was when my local HOT AC station would omit any rap verse in a hit. "Just Dance" and "Blurred Lines" are the first two songs on the top of my head that they did that with. My local CHR used to do that. They don't anymore since they don't lean HAC now, but it was annoying hearing songs like "Hips Don't Lie" and "Let It Rock" without an entire verse. I remember one of my CHR's omitting the rap verses "E.T.", and "California Gurls", and thought it was real annoying, but one afternoon,they randomly decided to play the no-rap version of "Payphone", and was like , you're Top 40 for crying out loud. The're not very rhythmic-leaning either. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Nov 20, 2013 11:43:21 GMT -5
The only time I've ever encountered this was when my local HOT AC station would omit any rap verse in a hit. "Just Dance" and "Blurred Lines" are the first two songs on the top of my head that they did that with. I thought those were service versions to AC/HAC - like California Girls, Check on It, etc. that would not include the rap. I also hear Suit & Tie w/o rap. Honestly, I wish some of those versions were available for purchase. Sometimes the rhymes are a complete waste on a song. |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Nov 20, 2013 16:16:12 GMT -5
The only time I've ever encountered this was when my local HOT AC station would omit any rap verse in a hit. "Just Dance" and "Blurred Lines" are the first two songs on the top of my head that they did that with. I thought those were service versions to AC/HAC - like California Girls, Check on It, etc. that would not include the rap. I also hear Suit & Tie w/o rap. Honestly, I wish some of those versions were available for purchase. Sometimes the rhymes are a complete waste on a song. They do occasionally make such versions available for purchase as part of the digital remix singles or the put them on CD singles released outside of the U.S., but most of those versions end up only being available through Promo Only or other industry exclusive services. I do like it when a no rap version is made where an additional verse or bridge replaces that (like in the case of Jennifer Lopez's "On The Floor" and "Dance Again"). |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Nov 20, 2013 17:42:34 GMT -5
I thought those were service versions to AC/HAC - like California Girls, Check on It, etc. that would not include the rap. I also hear Suit & Tie w/o rap. Honestly, I wish some of those versions were available for purchase. Sometimes the rhymes are a complete waste on a song. They do occasionally make such versions available for purchase as part of the digital remix singles or the put them on CD singles released outside of the U.S., but most of those versions end up only being available through Promo Only or other industry exclusive services. I do like it when a no rap version is made where an additional verse or bridge replaces that (like in the case of Jennifer Lopez's "On The Floor" and "Dance Again"). Yes, promo singles - don't get why those aren't available. It's a lost opportunity. There are many of us who would like to buy the "radio remix" - especially when it comes to no rhymes. Speaking of J-Lo - "I'm into You" was much better without the rap. But, then again, how many of J-Lo's single DON'T have a rapper? LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 16:48:38 GMT -5
Capital FM does it with recurrents alot. They also re-arrange the verses of some songs like On The Floor with the second verse beginning first and the first moving to the second.
None of the US Clear Channel stations I listen to do it though. Heres to hoping the QuickHitz thing doesnt ever catch on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 15:52:07 GMT -5
This doesn't shock me at all considering how long it is, but I can't recall hearing the full version of Mirrors on the radio.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 28, 2013 15:57:53 GMT -5
This would be annoying. I understand that a lot of pop/rap songs will have a version without the rap verse and sometimes a song will be issued with a verse removed for timing purposes but to completely cut a song off would be just annoying.
The only time that happens here is during one of my station's mix show, where they just mix a bunch of songs together, usually remixes or something. This is obviously done on purpose since they try to fit a bunch of songs into a 30 or 40 minute section.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Nov 28, 2013 16:05:31 GMT -5
This doesn't shock me at all considering how long it is, but I can't recall hearing the full version of Mirrors on the radio. They play a version shorter than the 4:39 edit? I have heard one of the AC stations play one which combines the 2nd chorus with the final chorus. |
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Post by Juanca on Nov 28, 2013 16:48:19 GMT -5
I'm not crazy! Yay!
Yes, I heard a couple of songs being randomly cut in the middle few weeks ago. I wasn't sure why. I definitely hated it!
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Post by hitseeker. on Nov 29, 2013 5:24:18 GMT -5
I would hate it if radio stations here did that  I wonder if Mediabase considers it a spin when a song is not played in full or if they use a system like iTunes (i.e., you need to listen to a song from beginning to end for the software to count as 1 play). Does anyone know about this? |
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Post by CookyMonzta on Dec 3, 2013 20:55:12 GMT -5
I don't usually listen to the radio except when I am in traffic in the car or something. I listened to my local CHR/Pop station KMVQ and I noticed it today. Earlier they played Katy Perry's "Roar", but they stopped it before the 'bridge', then a few songs later, they played a 2.5 minute edit of "Blurred Lines" which omitted everything from the rap onward. They cut it right when the rap starts. But other songs they played in full, and they usually played both songs in full too. And it wasn't at the end of a music set before commercials. It was in the middle. And yesterday they ended "Wrecking Ball" and "Do What U Want" before the bridges too. Is this becoming a new thing on radio where they play just 60-75% of the song? I am not surprised. There was once a time when radio stations would play a song in full, whether it was 3 minutes, 4 minutes, 5 minutes or even 7 minutes long. Now they will not even touch a song if it is more than 3½ minutes long and cannot be easily edited. They say they want to play as many songs as possible, but it is all certified balderdash! 25 years ago, a weekly playlist would have well over 200 songs, an enormous variety, even in a fixed genre. Now you'd be lucky to have 40 songs on a playlist, because these radio stations today will play the same songs on the order of once every hour to once every half-hour, which is at least 20 times a day at max! I'm about to dump my 8-year-old JVC shelf stereo system, and get an Internet radio console, because you can count on more different songs played on any given station you choose. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 13:56:44 GMT -5
I would hate it if radio stations here did that I wonder if Mediabase considers it a spin when a song is not played in full or if they use a system like iTunes (i.e., you need to listen to a song from beginning to end for the software to count as 1 play). Does anyone know about this? I think a song needs to be played for at least 30 seconds to be considered a spin or something like that. So yeah, these edits are counted as spins. |
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Post by shadster on Dec 8, 2013 9:38:08 GMT -5
There are HotAC versions of KP's ET, California Girls; Ushers DJ got us fallin in love. I actually prefer these over the rap/crap so if I can't record these versions of songs then I'll just re-edit the song my way to rid the song of any rap. So I like that aspect but as for shortening songs and cutting them off early, that kinda sucks (unless of course its getting rid of a rap at the end of a song :)
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Post by brad4560 on Dec 8, 2013 11:36:51 GMT -5
I took the time to listen to quick hitz at the website. I was not impressed. Maybe it's just me.
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Post by CookyMonzta on Feb 12, 2014 13:39:54 GMT -5
I would hate it if radio stations here did that I wonder if Mediabase considers it a spin when a song is not played in full or if they use a system like iTunes (i.e., you need to listen to a song from beginning to end for the software to count as 1 play). Does anyone know about this? I think a song needs to be played for at least 30 seconds to be considered a spin or something like that. So yeah, these edits are counted as spins. Thirty seconds?! Way too short to count a song as a spin. No doubt there are quite a few songs that short, but 30 seconds of a song that might be 3 or 4 minutes long smacks of an industry (radio, that is) taking a short cut. They might as well eliminate the rule altogether, and let Napalm Death's "You Suffer" ( 1.32 seconds, shortest song on record) count as an official spin! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 22:58:15 GMT -5
I think a song needs to be played for at least 30 seconds to be considered a spin or something like that. So yeah, these edits are counted as spins. Thirty seconds?! Way too short to count a song as a spin. No doubt there are quite a few songs that short, but 30 seconds of a song that might be 3 or 4 minutes long smacks of an industry (radio, that is) taking a short cut. They might as well eliminate the rule altogether, and let Napalm Death's "You Suffer" ( 1.32 seconds, shortest song on record) count as an official spin! That's the very way some large airplay monitors work. Nielsen BDS is programmed to count a song as a spin after 30 seconds of play. Im not sure how Mediabase compiles thier data but Nielsen's automated method would count "Let You Suffer" as a spin. |
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Post by EvanJ on Feb 15, 2014 22:14:23 GMT -5
That attachment says that "losing listeners matters least" from 12:00 A.M. to 5:00 A.M. I though radio stations were monitored starting at 6:00 A.M. (according to a drop-down menu at wargod.arbitron.com/scripts/ndb/fmttrends2.asp which hasn't been updated in years). Did it change from 6:00 A.M. to 5:00 A.M.? |
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