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Post by foxxden on Mar 7, 2016 17:09:36 GMT -5
First and foremost, I would never place Kesha in the same basket as Kelly since sexual abuse is involved and that is on a different level and should not be tolerated. Kelly never was put in danger, while Kesha was. I purposely didn't include Kesha in my post for that reason.
Secondly, you're right in that "Since U Been Gone" launched Dr. Luke's career too but in all honestly I'm sure Clive David could have picked another female artist (like Avril or Pink) and the song would have been just as big without Kelly.
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Post by Jack on Mar 7, 2016 17:21:26 GMT -5
jeez, she can't let the dr luke stuff go can she? i always felt she comes across as biting the hand that feeds her and crapping over her biggest hits (since u been gone, behind these hazel eyes, my life would suck without you) in the process. not a good look on her considering all the success those songs brought her. Let go? She has been bombarded about it on Twitter since the Ke$ha story broke. Then, throughout what has been a promotional blitz this last week, she didn't speak on it until she was asked. Kelly's biggest hit in America is Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You). Her biggest hit worldwide is Because Of You. Neither of which Dr Luke had anything to do with. By the time Kelly got to Dr Luke she had won the first season of the biggest televised talent show in history, and had a Grammy nomination and a multi-platinum album to her name. So you crediting him, or inferring that he's the singular cause for her success is absurd. Lest you forget, Behind These Hazel Eyes features a writing credit by Kelly Clarkson herself. So maybe that one could be thrown out in the "evidence that Kelly should shut her fat mouth and be grateful" pile? The only person that scored a hit song for the first time after their first working relationship with Dr Luke. I'm not sure quite what you're getting at with the rest of your 'argument' but I don't think it merits quoting in my own post. It sort of flirts with the ideas of "Dr Luke gave Kelly and lots of other girls hits, so they should keep their traps shut". Kelly, when pressed, attested to his character and her experience with him making abundantly that she didn't know what had happened with Ke$ha and couldn't speak with any authority on it. She also called him talented. Neither she nor I think that talent means we should give him a free pass for abusing people, but we may well be in the minority. If we, like she, are talking about character, while you want to paint Kelly as a trouble making, blabber mouthing ingrate who hasn't had a hit song outside of the three Dr Luke has a hand in, she is by far one of the most universally adored personalities in Pop music, from interviewers, to producers, to fellow artists and fans alike. That isn't me being hyperbolic, listen to any radio interview or any artist that mentions her name (although since you can't be bothered to look up sales figures, I doubt that asking you to do that will be met with much enthusiasm). Opinions on her as a person and a professional are never anything but glowing. In fact, I would probably say that a list of cited positive assertions would be equal and opposite to the negative ones about Luke. Any accusations of his 'crimes' are alleged. I want to make crystal clear that I'm not saying he is guilty. So while Kelly wasn't the first or last to grab the sticks nor will she be the last, the drum beat that suggests he is a terrible person to work with gets louder and louder by the day. Does this mean he's a rapist? No, and whether he is or isn't, isn't for you or I to decide. That said, if he is one, he shouldn't get a free pass for it because he wrote My Life Would Suck Without You.
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Mar 7, 2016 17:24:02 GMT -5
First and foremost, I would never place Kesha in the same basket as Kelly since sexual abuse is involved and that is on a different level and should not be tolerated. Kelly never was put in danger, while Kesha was. I purposely didn't include Kesha in my post for that reason. Secondly, you're right in that "Since U Been Gone" launched Dr. Luke's career too but in all honestly I'm sure Clive David could have picked another female artist (like Avril or Pink) and the song would have been just as big without Kelly. I just love that every attempt of yours relies on wrong statements. We're in the 21st century - if you wanna contribute something essential - do some research and use facts. Since U Been Gone was pitched to Hilary Duff and P!nk, before Kelly got it. Kelly's input made SUBG and MLWSWY awesome. God knows how the demos sounded like. It was a win-win situation for everyone and everyone took credit for it and Kelly is the only bitchy one? The label gave her the song, Luke produced it, but Kelly, the most important factor, has to thank everyone? No. You can love a result, but dislike its path of creation. Also, aside from Stronger, Because Of You is one of her signature songs - no Dr. Luke product either.
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Post by Jack on Mar 7, 2016 17:25:43 GMT -5
First and foremost, I would never place Kesha in the same basket as Kelly since sexual abuse is involved and that is on a different level and should not be tolerated. Kelly never was put in danger, while Kesha was. I purposely didn't include Kesha in my post for that reason. Secondly, you're right in that "Since U Been Gone" launched Dr. Luke's career too but in all honestly I'm sure Clive David could have picked another female artist (like Avril or Pink) and the song would have been just as big without Kelly. I just love that every attempt of yours relies on wrong statements. We're in the 21st century - if you wanna contribute something essential - do some research and use facts. Since U Been Gone was pitched to Hilary Duff and P!nk, before Kelly got it. Kelly's input made SUBG and MLWSWY awesome. God knows how the demos sounded like. It was a win-win situation for everyone and everyone took credit and Kelly is the only bitchy one? The label gave her the song, Luke produced it, but Kelly, the most important factor has to thank everyone? No. You can love a result, but dislike its path of creation. Also, aside from Stronger, Because Of You is one of her signature songs - no Dr. Luke product either. Hilary would have been bigger than Beyoncé if she had, as planned, gotten her hands on Since U Been Gone.
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Post by Libra on Mar 7, 2016 17:32:46 GMT -5
Hilary would have been bigger than Beyoncé if she had, as planned, gotten her hands on Since U Been Gone. Hilary did, in a manner of speaking - but since she apparently couldn't reach some of the high notes that the song calls for, it didn't work out for her. Pink, in contrast, turned it down.
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Post by Jack on Mar 7, 2016 17:38:30 GMT -5
Hilary would have been bigger than Beyoncé if she had, as planned, gotten her hands on Since U Been Gone. Hilary did, in a manner of speaking - but since she apparently couldn't reach some of the high notes that the song calls for, it didn't work out for her. Pink, in contrast, turned it down. By "gotten her hands on", I mean "released" and by "would have been bigger than Beyoncé" I was being facetious.
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Post by foxxden on Mar 7, 2016 17:44:00 GMT -5
You are all claiming to know all the facts as well although none of us were in the room. I heard different stories that Clive brought "Since U Been Gone" right to Kelly. I guess we'll never know though and it doesnt seem like this story is going away anytime soon as it seems to resurface every few years.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 7, 2016 17:44:34 GMT -5
I would just like to see her acknowledge the success and opportunities those songs brought her - especially since she has barely been able to even come close to those level of hits since without working with Dr. Luke again (like she did with "My Life Would Suck Without You"). She doesn't perform them live anymore?
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Post by StrongBreakaway on Mar 7, 2016 17:47:06 GMT -5
You are all claiming to know all the facts as well although none of us were in the room. I heard different stories that Clive brought "Since U Been Gone" right to Kelly. I guess we'll never know though and it doesnt seem like this story is going away anytime soon as it seems to resurface every few years.
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Post by foxxden on Mar 7, 2016 17:48:07 GMT -5
You are all claiming to know all the facts as well although none of us were in the room. I heard different stories that Clive brought "Since U Been Gone" right to Kelly. I guess we'll never know though and it doesnt seem like this story is going away anytime soon as it seems to resurface every few years. oh gosh here come the memes!!!! some of you spend way too much time on the internet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 17:49:21 GMT -5
Ugh her Duets time was the damn best. Styling on fleek
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Post by Libra on Mar 7, 2016 17:52:32 GMT -5
I'm just going to leave this here and remind everyone that this is a thing that exists (refer to stage right) before quietly slipping back out of the room. :) Attachment Deleted
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Post by Jack on Mar 7, 2016 18:07:50 GMT -5
I'm just going to leave this here and remind everyone that this is a thing that exists (refer to stage right) before quietly slipping back out of the room. :) View AttachmentGatcha. Well my last inclusion into this little derailment will be to quote a poster over at Popjustice. And not in your direction of course.
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Post by bigb0882 on Mar 7, 2016 18:42:43 GMT -5
People need to do some research. Let me refresh your memory. Kelly had issues with the poppiness of SUBG. She is the one who suggested they add guitars as the main instrument and thus the rock influence which became her entire sound during Breakaway. Pop/Rock Kelly was HER idea. Also, she is the one who took it up an octave on the chorus and no one knew she was going to do that until she got in the studio and began singing. Again, Kelly's idea. Want to know what the demo sounded like? Dr. Luke had someone doing a lot of demos for him back in the day. Maybe you heard of her: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJWfFXNfzgENo guitars...chorus doesn't go up an octave. No rock influence whatsoever. Still want to refuse any credit to Kelly for her hits or success?? Get real.
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Post by ILLUSION on Mar 7, 2016 19:32:45 GMT -5
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Post by QAF on Mar 7, 2016 19:47:41 GMT -5
That is fantastic.
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Post by Caviar on Mar 7, 2016 20:07:40 GMT -5
So happy for her.
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Post by pnobelysk on Mar 7, 2016 22:04:24 GMT -5
Heartbeat song is at 860k sold now after this past week. I hope with all these Kelly press releases, we get updated figures on her other songs
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Post by bigb0882 on Mar 7, 2016 22:25:21 GMT -5
Someone sang Mr. Know It All for their audition on the Voice (she turned a few chairs) and they played a little bit of Stronger (I think, now I can't remember) as they showed her walking away.
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Post by bb on Mar 7, 2016 22:46:42 GMT -5
I was watching the movie Room (which everyone should see, if only for Brie Larson's incredible performance) and unless I'm mistaken I think I saw a Kelly reference... Larson's character is flipping through an old yearbook or diary, I couldn't tell, and I'm pretty sure she had doodled "behind these hazel eyes" when in high school. A funny coincidence in a not-so-funny movie. Anyway, nice to see the Kelly shout-out.
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Post by Treacherous on Mar 7, 2016 22:57:36 GMT -5
^She totally did I caught that the first time I watched and rewinded it just to make sure!
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Post by foxxden on Mar 7, 2016 23:55:55 GMT -5
I don't think there was anything wrong with what she said. Even before she tweeted about Dr. Luke or did that interview, we've known they had a tense working relationship. There was an excerpt from a book (the title of which I can't remember atm) posted here a couple of weeks ago that revealed she wrote the bridge for SUBG without receiving an official writing credit. And, as has already been pointed out, she heavily implied that she rewrote MLWSWY and didn't get a writing credit for that either because the label didn't want her name on it, especially after MD. It's obvious that she and Dr. Luke didn't exactly see eye-to-eye on almost all the songs they collaborated on. I can see how not getting writing credits for those songs may have soured the relationship even further. the book is the song machine by john seabrook and i re-read the full since u been gone chapter since people accused me of not doing my research meanwhile ive been following this story for the last ten years. the chapter does mention kelly didnt receive a writing credit from the bridge as you point out but it also mentions that kelly didnt like working with max martin either (contrary to what some have posted here) and the guitar riff featured in "since u been gone" came to dr. luke and max martin as they were listening to the song "maps" by yeah yeah yeahs - so i dont know if we can give kelly sole credit for her pop rock sound. supposedly even after the finished product she still didnt want to release those songs. just as we shouldnt believe everythig clive or dr. luke says, i think some of you are just choosing to take kelly's version of the story as the 100% truth because you prefer to think of your favorite musician as the sole force behind their success. lastly, making it seem like i was comparing kelly's situation to kesha's or phil specter (wtf) is unfair. this dispute over the making of these songs goes back further than the kesha story and involves more poeple than just dr. luke.
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Post by Ryan on Mar 8, 2016 3:35:56 GMT -5
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Post by neally on Mar 8, 2016 8:59:27 GMT -5
Here is a breakdown of Kelly's singles, by peak performance on the Billboard HOT 100 chart: #1 - A Moment Like This, My Life Would Suck Without You, Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You) #2 - Since U Been Gone #6 - Breakaway, Behind This Hazel Eyes #7 - Because of You #8 - Never Again, Piece by Piece #9 - Miss Indy #10 - Mr Know It All #12 - Walk Away #13 - Already Gone #19 - Catch My Breath #20 - I Do Not Hook Up #21 - Heartbeat Song #31 - Don't You Wanna Stay #42 - Dark Side #50 - Because of You (feat. Reba) #56 - Up To The Mountain #58 - Low #65 - People Like Us #78 - Underneath The Tree #87 - Don't Rush #93 - I'll Be Home For Christmas #96 - All I Ever Wanted #101 - The Trouble With Love Is #110 - Sober #112 - Tie it Up #118 - If I Can't Have You
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Post by adamalterlago on Mar 8, 2016 9:00:03 GMT -5
I don't think there was anything wrong with what she said. Even before she tweeted about Dr. Luke or did that interview, we've known they had a tense working relationship. There was an excerpt from a book (the title of which I can't remember atm) posted here a couple of weeks ago that revealed she wrote the bridge for SUBG without receiving an official writing credit. And, as has already been pointed out, she heavily implied that she rewrote MLWSWY and didn't get a writing credit for that either because the label didn't want her name on it, especially after MD. It's obvious that she and Dr. Luke didn't exactly see eye-to-eye on almost all the songs they collaborated on. I can see how not getting writing credits for those songs may have soured the relationship even further. the book is the song machine by john seabrook and i re-read the full since u been gone chapter since people accused me of not doing my research meanwhile ive been following this story for the last ten years. the chapter does mention kelly didnt receive a writing credit from the bridge as you point out but it also mentions that kelly didnt like working with max martin either (contrary to what some have posted here) and the guitar riff featured in "since u been gone" came to dr. luke and max martin as they were listening to the song "maps" by yeah yeah yeahs - so i dont know if we can give kelly sole credit for her pop rock sound. supposedly even after the finished product she still didnt want to release those songs. just as we shouldnt believe everythig clive or dr. luke says, i think some of you are just choosing to take kelly's version of the story as the 100% truth because you prefer to think of your favorite musician as the sole force behind their success. lastly, making it seem like i was comparing kelly's situation to kesha's or phil specter (wtf) is unfair. this dispute over the making of these songs goes back further than the kesha story and involves more poeple than just dr. luke. So strange. I have ALWAYS thought SUBG had elements of Maps but thought I was crazy.
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Post by Focus on Mar 8, 2016 9:47:54 GMT -5
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Post by getonthebus on Mar 8, 2016 11:11:20 GMT -5
LOL at him hiding behind Clive. And not him responding to Kelly calling him a liar by throwing out quotes from a book that Kelly deconstructed and clocked as lies piece by piece YEARS ago. Never forget "I just have to clear up his memory lapses and misinformation..."
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Post by neally on Mar 8, 2016 11:19:23 GMT -5
LOL at him hiding behind Clive. And not him responding to Kelly calling him a liar by throwing out quotes from a book that Kelly deconstructed and clocked as lies piece by piece YEARS ago. Never forget "I just have to clear up his memory lapses and misinformation..."
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Post by brightredsongs on Mar 8, 2016 11:43:15 GMT -5
People need to do some research. Let me refresh your memory. Kelly had issues with the poppiness of SUBG. She is the one who suggested they add guitars as the main instrument and thus the rock influence which became her entire sound during Breakaway. Pop/Rock Kelly was HER idea. Also, she is the one who took it up an octave on the chorus and no one knew she was going to do that until she got in the studio and began singing. Again, Kelly's idea. Want to know what the demo sounded like? Dr. Luke had someone doing a lot of demos for him back in the day. Maybe you heard of her: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJWfFXNfzgENo guitars...chorus doesn't go up an octave. No rock influence whatsoever. Still want to refuse any credit to Kelly for her hits or success?? Get real. That is not a demo it's a cover. Kelly has stated in interviews what the demo was like....it was very unfinished, with very different lyrics. That said, her voice on it is what made the song great
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Post by getonthebus on Mar 8, 2016 12:18:13 GMT -5
Setting the record straight again, and seeming like she'll re-sign with RCA.
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