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Post by MiniMusic on Dec 16, 2016 12:59:10 GMT -5
Re-discovering her discography as we speak. Ugh- I LOVE this woman. What an icon. Inspirational, trendsetting, legendary, iconic, queen, etc. Currently jamming to Rebel Heart album which I haven't done in a while. It's still so good! A little bloated but still epic.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Dec 17, 2016 18:18:50 GMT -5
It was the most honest & emotional speech she's ever given. I just watched the speech and I agree, it is emotional. Madonna is a legend and her influence in the industry as a female is undeniable. However, to me, the actual content of the speech came off as hypocritical taking into account how Madonna herself has treated her female colleagues in the music industry. When Janet Jackson's breast was exposed during the Superbowl, Madonna was quick to whip "you don't have to show your nipple to be interesting"--instead of supporting Janet, she added salt to the wound by throwing verbal stones at her and then working with the male who got away with a clean slate, Justin Timberlake. She even made a dig at Janet as recently as 2012. Any chance she has had, throughout her career, to drag Janet, Mariah and even Lady Gaga, she has taken advantage of with pride. I can see how now that she is older she may have a different outlook on the situation, but the content of the speech to me seemed disingenuous considering how her career is basically based on what she is condemning. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 18:28:12 GMT -5
The artists you mentioned have been unkind toward M as well.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Dec 17, 2016 19:22:20 GMT -5
Stan wars are depressing and trivial in the grand scheme of the music industry. It doesn't get anyone anywhere.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Dec 17, 2016 19:26:48 GMT -5
Stan wars are depressing and trivial in the grand scheme of the music industry. It doesn't get anyone anywhere. I'm not talking about stan wars. I was specifically referring to the content of Madonna's speech and her actions toward her female colleagues--they contradict each other. But, I don't know if you read it but as I stated in my first post, perhaps she has a different outlook on this situation being much older and wiser. If she does, it would've been bold to recognize her own mistakes in not lifting up her female counterparts (and in fact putting them down) but she might have been embarrassed to do so. |
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Post by So Pure on Dec 17, 2016 20:20:00 GMT -5
There are people behind the scenes in the industry that benefit from pitting these women against each other. A lot of the rivalries back in the 80s & 90s was a reaction to that.
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Post by August on Dec 18, 2016 8:24:51 GMT -5
Stan wars are depressing and trivial in the grand scheme of the music industry. It doesn't get anyone anywhere. I'm not talking about stan wars. I was specifically referring to the content of Madonna's speech and her actions toward her female colleagues--they contradict each other. But, I don't know if you read it but as I stated in my first post, perhaps she has a different outlook on this situation being much older and wiser. If she does, it would've been bold to recognize her own mistakes in not lifting up her female counterparts (and in fact putting them down) but she might have been embarrassed to do so. Well, I think it is an evolution over time for anyone. We have all done things in the past that we are not proud of and probably would behave differently today in the same situation. I have seen multiple interview clips of Janet insulting Madonna...way back in the early 90s...calling her work classless. Mariah has dragged Madonna repeatedly in interviews. There is an early interview clip of her where she is at a press conference and someone asked her what she thought of Madonna. Her response was "I haven't paid attention to Madonna since I was like in 6th or 7th grade, when she used to be popular." Lady Gaga has been hypocritical herself. In some clips she is praising Madonna and in others she is insulting her. So I would say they are ALL guilty of dragging each other. However, I will say this, I notice that the Mariahs, Janets, Gagas, etc. tend to do it first and then Madonna responds and makes a scathing response back. I wish neither of them would engage in it quite frankly. Almost 100% of the time, people insulting each other comes out of their own insecurity and is usually a reflection of themselves, not their target. Madonna made a very valid point back in a 1993 interview. The topic was about how critics were saying her career was over due to backlash from the Sex book / Body of Evidence film. The interviewer had said there was article after article about how her career was over, she was irrelevant, etc. Her response was, "If my career is over and you find me irrelevant, why are you spending so much time writing about me?" To that point, if these divas who are dogging her are saying how she is old and over, why bother using Madonna as the target? Use some other newer musician then who is their competition. In reality, Madonna shouldn't bother taking digs at anyone, because at this point in her career she should be secure of her spot in music history. Hell, she is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I would actually argue, that she should never have done it, but we are all human and have those moments. The only difference is that hers get printed or broadcast. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 19:59:07 GMT -5
I remember even Whitney came for Madonna in 1987. Thank goodness Madonna didn't respond...I think she respected Whitney's talent too deeply and was probably just hurt and disappointed by the comments. Et tu Whitney? kind of a thing. Even worse when M's hero Joni Mitchell said all those nasty things about M.
On the other hand, there has always been mutual respect between Celine and Babs and M.
As far as the rest, who cares what they said. I'm sure it's water under the bridge as far as these ladies are concerned, as well it should be for us.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Dec 19, 2016 1:34:34 GMT -5
August Thanks for replying but there are some untruths in your post that I would like to correct. Madonna came after many female stars, unprovoked, in the 90's after her backlash, I suspect because her career began to suffer while theirs thrived. True, Mariah said that about Madonna. But this was after Madonna had come after Mariah, out of no where, for no reason other than to perpetuate the "jealous female" stereotype she is condemning today. Not only did she say she would rather kill herself than sing songs like Mariah Carey in 1996, she also spoke poorly of her AND Whitney Houston, in 1995 in NME. allaboutmadonna.com/madonna%20-library/madonna%20-interview%20-nme-december-02-1995Madonna also spoke negatively about Mariah once again in 1996 in SPIN Magazine. allaboutmadonna.com/madonna-library/madonna-interview-spin-january-1996On separate occasions Madonna denounced Mariah's career, talent and even her intelligence all prior to the infamous press conference with Mariah. Yet, there is an effort here to I guess rewrite history and make it seem like Madonna only attacked her female counter parts because they spoke poorly of her and that is simply untrue. Her attacks were mostly unprovoked and if you really want me to delve into how Janet's comment towards Madonna was actually in defense of the hateful comments Madonna previously made about her brother Michael and the Jackson Family, I sure can but I think I have left a great deal here to digest for now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 9:42:55 GMT -5
Obviously all those comments M made about Whitney & Mariah were just silly and untrue.
But that was already the mid-nineties. The others were coming for M long before that...
1987 - Whitney said if she had a daughter that acted like M, she would kill her; and that Madonna's career will fizzle out whereas Whitney plans to have a career that lasts
1989 - Michael Jackson criticized M for winning Artist of the Decade saying she had no talent.
1993 - M greeted Mariah (M already knew Mottola at that point) at a party with a harmless, "Mariah, where have you been?" and Mariah responded, "On the charts...where have you been?" This could be a totally false urban legend but it has been reported many times. It's not hard to imagine based on the fact how Mariah shunned Whitney at an awards show audience in 1990.
Madonna is no saint, but neither are any of the rest.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 19, 2016 13:29:05 GMT -5
^Indeed- and let's face it, Madonna can be a super-b*tch when she wants to be (even more so back then).
There also was that Vanity Fair article that had the bit about some party where a female said her album sold 300,000 or so in the last week, followed by "How much did yours sell"? or something to that effect. One can speculate on who it was, but, like everything else, it's all ancient history, and yes, fan/stan wars are pointless and ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 17:50:26 GMT -5
All the major divas of the 90s and earlier were all so confident and talented that they could back up their shade . All took jabs at each other but it was mostly for fun or diva antics or because they all were successful and dominated in their own fields.
It's better than the girls today with no career, talent fighting each other on social media when they should be trying further their career. All of our divas fought each other on the billboard charts not twitter. It was about music. Janet, Mariah, Madonna and Whitney should be admired and praised and respected for what they have accomplished and for their talents and or careers. We will never get them again.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Dec 19, 2016 18:45:38 GMT -5
^ thank you for your post. Absolutely true. It should always be about the music.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Dec 20, 2016 12:00:41 GMT -5
Watch Michael Buble, Lady Gaga, Billy Joel, Madonna & More Salute Tony Bennett Tonight www.wjbdradio.com/music-news/2016/12/20/watch-michael-buble-lady-gaga-billy-joel-madonna-more-salute-tony-bennett-tonight"I'd like to prove that at 90 years old, I'm just starting out. I have a lot to learn, yet." That's what Tony Bennett wants people to get out of the star-studded NBC special, airing tonight, which will pay tribute to his long career. Hosted by Alec Baldwin, whose impersonation of Bennett is spot-on, Tony Bennett Celebrates 90: The Best Is Yet to Come will feature performances by Bob Dylan, Billy Joel, Michael Buble, Elton John, Madonna, Stevie Wonder, Lady Gaga and, of course, Bennett himself. In addition, a variety of other stars make appearances on the program, among them Paul McCartney, Keith Richards, Robert De Niro, Dustin Hoffman, Oprah Winfrey, Bruce Willis, Garth Brooks, Carrie Underwood, Don Rickles, Regis Philbin, John McEnroe, and even Miss Piggy and Homer Simpson. The special will also include segments during which Bennett reflects on his life and career achievements, accompanied by photos and archival footage. Calling Tony an "original American idol," Michael Buble gives the crooner credit for keeping the Great American Songbook in the public eye. "He puts the songs across, but it's about the songs," Michael explains. "That's what he does -- And those songs are the greatest gift America's ever given the arts, and he's been a massive part of, not just nurturing them, but inspiring people like me to do that for another generation of people." Michael also shares the best advice Tony ever gave him. "He said, 'Steal from everyone you can,'" Michael laughs. "He said, 'When you steal from everyone, then you can call it research...[but] if you steal from just one, you're a thief!'" Bennett says he'd also younger performers to realize that no matter how hot you are, it takes time to "learn what to leave out." "That takes five to seven years, but after that," he counsels, "you become a consummate performer." Tony Bennett Celebrates 90: The Best Is Yet to Come, which airs at 9 p.m. ET/PT, was recorded at New York City's Radio City Music Hall in September. But if you can't get enough crooning, tune into NBC an hour earlier to see a Michael Buble concert special, Michael Buble Sings and Swings. Copyright © 2016, ABC Radio. All rights reserved. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 20, 2016 14:31:04 GMT -5
Oh- she hadn't been announced as appearing prior. Nice.
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Post by Safado on Dec 20, 2016 16:13:07 GMT -5
All the major divas of the 90s and earlier were all so confident and talented that they could back up their shade . All took jabs at each other but it was mostly for fun or diva antics or because they all were successful and dominated in their own fields. It's better than the girls today with no career, talent fighting each other on social media when they should be trying further their career. All of our divas fought each other on the billboard charts not twitter. It was about music. Janet, Mariah, Madonna and Whitney should be admired and praised and respected for what they have accomplished and for their talents and or careers. We will never get them again. This over and over again. <3 |
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 20, 2016 16:49:43 GMT -5
So she taped this in September and none of knew about it?
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Post by August on Dec 20, 2016 17:35:13 GMT -5
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Post by August on Dec 21, 2016 7:42:56 GMT -5
The special was what I expected. Madonna didn't actually perform. It was a pre-recorded message for about 10 seconds. It clearly was recorded the night she did the Prince tribute at the Billboard Music Awards. She had the same outfit, hair, and makeup.
If she had performed, we would have definitely seen it teased on her instagram or FB page.
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Post by August on Dec 21, 2016 9:40:55 GMT -5
Just a random share. I had forgotten that Dead or Alive covered her song "Why's It So Hard." This was on the Virgin Voices tribute album.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 21, 2016 9:43:49 GMT -5
I got those VV albums- haven't listened to them in eons. Like, why bother, when the originals are just about perfection?
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Dec 21, 2016 10:28:19 GMT -5
The other day, I was perusing through the Celebration disc. I was so happy the day I got it for $11.99 from Best Buy after always seeing it for close to $20. While it's no Immaculate Collection (I hate truncated versions of songs), VERY few artists can rival such a grouping of wall-to-wall hits. Besides being a cultural icon, let's not forget that Madonna was a legit hit MACHINE. I echo @pma2015. These pop girls today would sell their own mothers for a career half as memorable and for a Fifth of the legacy.
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Post by August on Dec 21, 2016 11:25:29 GMT -5
I like the Celebration album, but I do have some minor quibbles with it:
-as mentioned above, some versions of songs are truncated. For example, the deletion of the first three downbeats in Dress You Up make absolutely no sense.
-inclusion of new songs (Celebration and Revolver) at the expense of some real hits. Lack of Causing a Commotion, True Blue, Angel, Oh Father, Deeper and Deeper, Rain, You'll See, Power of Goodbye, etc. I get that they kept it limited due to only wanted a double CD, as that would drive the cost up for the customer. They could have made a Deluxe Edition (outside the Deluxe Video Edition) that featured an extra disc of songs or something. I believe they had people in the fan club voice their vote on what songs to include.
-the track order. The album is front-loaded with her biggest international hits all in a row and then starts jumping around in her catalog kind of randomly. It is sort of jarring hearing Who's That Girl and then immediately hearing Frozen. It would have been nice if they were presented chronologically so you can hear her music evolve over time...it is also fun to take that journey through her career. Immaculate Collection does a much better job in that everything is presented chronologically...even then she left out some hits, but it is very nice to have them in order. I don't even mind the remixes they used on some songs.
I guess this will have to do until we have a definitive boxed set or something.
I made my own iTunes playlist of the dream Madonna collection: (all singles, regardless of market. I did not include songs that were just club promos - Impressive Instant, Nobody Knows Me, etc.)
Everybody
Burning Up
Physical Attraction
Holiday
Borderline
Lucky Star
Like a Virgin
Material Girl
Crazy for You
Angel
Into the Groove
Dress You Up
Live to Tell
Papa Don't Preach
True Blue
Open Your Heart
La Isla Bonita
Who's That Girl
Causing a Commotion
Spotlight (single edit)
Like a Prayer
Express Yourself
Cherish
Oh Father
Dear Jessie
Keep It Together (single remix)
Vogue (single version)
Hanky Panky
Justify My Love
Rescue Me (single mix)
This Used to Be My Playground (single version)
Erotica
Deeper and Deeper
Bad Girl
Fever (Video Mix)
Rain
I'll Remember (Theme From the Motion Picture With Honors)
Secret
Take a Bow
Bedtime Story (edit)
Human Nature
You'll See
Love Don't Live Here Anymore (Remix)
One More Chance
You Must Love Me
Don't Cry for Me Argentina (Miami mix edit)
Frozen (edit)
Ray of Light
The Power of Good-Bye
Nothing Really Matters (album version)
Beautiful Stranger
American Pie
Music
Don't Tell Me
What It Feels Like for a Girl
Die Another Day
American Life
Hollywood
Nothing Fails
Love Profusion
Hung Up
Sorry
Get Together
Jump
4 Minutes
Give It 2 Me
Miles Away
Celebration
Revolver
Give Me All Your Luvin'
Girl Gone Wild
Turn Up the Radio
Living for Love
Ghosttown
Bitch, I'm Madonna
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Dec 21, 2016 11:31:30 GMT -5
If they release a vinyl box set like Rihanna recently did, I would most likely buy that. It would have all kinds of photographs and essays and such.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 21, 2016 12:45:37 GMT -5
I like Celebration and I like the surprise factor. Sure it's nice to have stuff in order, but I'm always 100% of the time on shuffle on my music anyways, so I like the randomness. And I love the beginning!!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 21, 2016 12:50:32 GMT -5
TIC is such a massively impactful compilation that any one that followed would not be able to compete (even one covering her full career).
Celebration does have issues. Aside from those mentioned, there's the bad edit of "Erotica" (why not just take the one that was on GHV2? Also, the clicking in "Music" (not as bad as the former). And let's not forget thy typos in the booklet, whether the misspelling of the "Dress You Up" co-writer or names in the wrong spot for producer credits, etc.
On the plus side, the artwork was impressive,and the tracklisting, while leaving off some notable hits, is chock full of iconic and big hits. (Some less than others- i.e. "Hollywood" and "Miles Away").
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 18:48:27 GMT -5
I didn't love Celebration and didn't keep it in my collection. I agree with everything Rebel Heart stated but my #1 complaint was the inclusion of so many album singles, especially from the 1st album, instead of soundtrack releases like Gambler and CAC, which would be great to listen to within the context of a full M album. Plus, Miles Away and Hollywood really had no business being there over True Blue and Deeper and Deeper. And the sequence was absolutely horrible, particularly from #9-#18 on the second disc. Just ghastly. The single cd version was much more pleasing as a whole.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 21, 2016 19:12:40 GMT -5
Boy. Whenever Madonna gets some kind of good press, the knives come out here.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Dec 21, 2016 19:22:47 GMT -5
??? What knives? I see people praising Madonna, including people who don't always do so, and people critically discussing the issues they have with the Celebration collection.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 21, 2016 20:30:03 GMT -5
^ The discussion about the Celebration compilation wouldn't qualify as such, so maybe he was referring to previous posts?
I didn't watch that Tony Bennett special- heard it was 10 seconds and pre-recorded from earlier this year.
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