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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 6, 2014 19:35:03 GMT -5
But many legends are aided in stature by their live performances, including the people you mentioned. And even if Mariah was never a performer in their league in terms of presence, in the 90s her voice was enough. She got a #1 with a live song! She had well-recovered concert TV specials. But these recent performances where she just stands and does awkward poses while lip synching takes away from her legacy as "the voice." Tine Turner is basically a legend solely because of live performances.
I think Mariah's management issues (and I agree it's a problem) are due to Mariah wanting control yet not recognizing that other people may know better about some things than she does.
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Post by Soma on Apr 6, 2014 19:55:39 GMT -5
Speaking of which... it's a month this week. Can anyone think of an instance where an album had an announced release date and there was still no official title at this point? Mariah has been in the game too long to be able to maintain a steady stream of media hype. Her decision not to drip feed to the public information like an album title, which would only create short-lived buzz, is prudent. In our current paradigm of music access, other veteran artists like Jack White, Jay-Z, and Beyonce have all benefitted by taking similar precautions. Three weeks leaves plenty of time for a casual music fan to forget or stop caring about one nugget of information. Immediacy is indicative of where listeners are at right now, and conversations need to be happening when the music itself is made available to the public. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 6, 2014 21:23:20 GMT -5
It's not a matter of creating buzz, or taking "precautions," but rather just sharing the info, period. Most acts, even i nthis day and age, announ ce a title well before it's released and supply other info.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 7:28:24 GMT -5
"You're Mine" is pretty much dead across the board now. Next single please!
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 7, 2014 10:16:25 GMT -5
Mariah, we are Thirsty for something else, Honey. So why don't you be a Hero and Make It Happen, Beautiful! I don't want to H.A.T.E.U., so For the Record it's time to Migrate. It is time to make our Fantasy a reality and take this album off Cruise Control, so won't you Say Something good to me. If you do, I will be sure to give you a Standing O. P.S., I'll Be Lovin' U Long Time and I Wish You Well! Bye, Bye from Mr. Levine!
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Post by Dreams on Apr 7, 2014 10:19:32 GMT -5
So... apparently there's going to be a listening session (of some sort) of the album today. A lady on twitter posted that she's having an interview with Mariah and that she'll be listening to the album, plus Kris Buckle tweeted that he's flying to NYC to do press with MC for her new album. Fingers crossed we have some info finally!
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Post by Mean A$$ on Apr 7, 2014 10:21:09 GMT -5
"You're Mine" is pretty much dead across the board now. Next single please! I actually heard it for the first time on the radio yesterday. It sounded so good on the radio. |
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Post by Jay D83 on Apr 7, 2014 10:28:18 GMT -5
"You're Mine" is pretty much dead across the board now. Next single please! I actually heard it for the first time on the radio yesterday. It sounded so good on the radio. It's actually grown on me immensely! It was wrong for THE single, but I'll definitely enjoy it on the album. |
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 7, 2014 10:40:19 GMT -5
I actually think Mariah is trying to throw some reverse psychology on everyone this go around. Throw out an "underwhelming" single as the kick starter and follow up with something infinitely better. Couldn't hurt to try that route. I mean after all it has always been the follow up that has killed her momentum for the last two albums.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 7, 2014 12:08:48 GMT -5
Yes, but the lead singles aren't always great, either. I mean, "Touch My Body" is cutesy, but underwhelming compared to some of the others.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 7, 2014 12:50:04 GMT -5
Yeah, but Touch My Body wasn't half-assed either. It was catchy, and it featured one of her best videos. The remixes were nice as well. I think people appreciate Mariah more when they can tell she puts effort into her work. You can tell when she is phoning in her stuff, and I think she pays the price for it when it is that obvious.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 7, 2014 14:36:05 GMT -5
YM is a tried-and-true formula that just isn't what's hot commercially. Couple that with her veteran status, and that makes it more difficult for her to score. "#Beautiful", sonically, didn't really sound like anything she had done prior- that and Miguel's presence made for an as-winning-as-it-could-be combination.
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Post by Juanca on Apr 7, 2014 14:39:19 GMT -5
Touch my body was an international success too, wasn't it? I certainly liked it more than songs like SIO or DFAU or Obsessed. Subtle, funny, chill. Even her Madgesty said she liked it  |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 7, 2014 14:41:46 GMT -5
^I thought she was referring to the album when she said "record." But, that's her nor there. :)
In any event, I like TMB more than "Shake It Off," which totally rode the wave of WBT, and also DFAU.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 7, 2014 15:43:54 GMT -5
YM is a tried-and-true formula that just isn't what's hot commercially. Couple that with her veteran status, and that makes it more difficult for her to score. "#Beautiful", sonically, didn't really sound like anything she had done prior- that and Miguel's presence made for an as-winning-as-it-could-be combination. I know I wasn't expecting You're Mine to be some blockbuster smash coming off the coat tails of #Beautiful. She went back to basics with You're Mine after the promise of potentially a new direction when #Beautiful was released which I think disappointed quite a few people. I do however expect a song with her name as long as it isn't complete rubbish which You're Mine is a solid song to at least peak at a 25-30 million audience and not completely fall off the i-tunes chart into oblivion not even a week after its release. I don't think that is a convoluted idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 15:52:19 GMT -5
It's crazy how much people turn on a song when it flops on here, or are all the detractors just coming out of the woodworks now that it tanked? When You're Mine came out, it felt like it got a pretty good reception on the board and then the lackluster reviews came in and it stalled at radio and people started up with how tired/bland/dated it was. If Love and War could smash last year, I think You're Mine could have been at least a moderate success. It just needed some kind of platform. Maybe like a commercial or a TV spot or SOMETHING that would get people to take notice of it.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 7, 2014 17:17:55 GMT -5
Yes, but the lead singles aren't always great, either. I mean, "Touch My Body" is cutesy, but underwhelming compared to some of the others. "TMB" is cutesy, but I actually think that was a strategy (it reminded me a bit of when Janet came out with "That's the Way Love Goes" as a lead single instead of something that hit harder). Plus "TMB" had some actual craft behind it; it's breezy, the melody of that song is really strong, and the production has more depth than it first seems. Beyond that, though, everything else with that single was in line; the video was terrific (as mrelevine for me pointed out), the promotion was great, etc. It obviously helped that she was coming off one of the biggest albums of her career, but "TMB" still had elements that felt fresh. "You're Mine" is a bit different for Mariah, but the intro and structure are ripped from Drake, and the general sentiment and vibe are reminiscent of her 00s hits. I think part of the issue is simply that she sat on it for so long. "YM" was recorded back in 2012 and might have sounded better if it was released then. It reminds me of E=MC2 and how its delays ended up making some of that music seem dated by the time it dropped (though the choice for second single and Mariah's quickie marriage were ultimately what killed that project). |
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Post by weaver on Apr 7, 2014 19:56:41 GMT -5
Well until we have news, this is ridiculous fun...Mariah's "transition" into the illuminati...lol..love it. The person who made this video is clearly a rocket scientist. www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHKwr1LR0yY"Grap some popcorn" |
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Post by Daniel Collins on Apr 8, 2014 5:21:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 5:45:45 GMT -5
That blog only ever posts negative things about Mariah, so of course they decided to dedicate an entire post to one fan's negative tweet. Who cares?? |
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Post by Dreams on Apr 8, 2014 5:48:55 GMT -5
I don't wanna give that worthless, tacky ass blog any hits so I didn't open the link. I'm assuming it's that Australian lamb that dragged JD on twitter though; I read bits of that open letter on this site yesterday: Kinda getting another MOAIA era flashback there, when fans made headlines on blogs for going in on Nick... Anyways, from JD's instagram:  |
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 8, 2014 6:59:19 GMT -5
That blog only ever posts negative things about Mariah, so of course they decided to dedicate an entire post to one fan's negative tweet. Who cares?? Lol seriously. I don't get why some people are in such an uproar, especially for someone so established and proven. Are you on her payroll? Probably not, so chill. It's not like she's suddenly gonna be homeless if this album doesn't do well. Edit: Also, Michael Jackson reached new career highs in his 40s? Gotta wonder what kind of calendar those folks are using. |
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 8, 2014 8:17:27 GMT -5
As much as I dislike JD, I will play devil's advocate and say how can he manage anything when there isn't even a finished album in the record company's hands yet. What is he going to promote? The record company isn't going to pay to promote something when they don't have a final product in hand. He can't book Mariah for TV gigs or any type of gig really because she is still recording and getting the album ready. This is Mariah's fault. More like, she needs to get her sh*t together.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 8:19:53 GMT -5
I just think people in general need to stop obsessing over what a woman wears and focus on what a woman does, just saying.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 8, 2014 8:26:02 GMT -5
As much as I dislike JD, I will play devil's advocate and say how can he manage anything when there isn't even a finished album in the record company's hands yet. What is he going to promote? The record company isn't going to pay to promote something when they don't have a final product in hand. He can't book Mariah for TV gigs or any type of gig really because she is still recording and getting the album ready. This is Mariah's fault. More like, she needs to get her sh*t together. This. Let's keep in mind she already burned the label once with this album; there was a July release set for last year that was set-up with a lead single (and "#B" was promoted beautifully on the label's part) and money was event spent on ads and shelf space in stores. All of that went down the drain because Mariah pushed the album back. Fast forward nearly a year, and the album still hasn't been completed. Despite that, the label did promote "You're Mine" as a single. It pretty much tanked. So, what motivation does the label have to promote another single right now (or even the album), if Mariah is still finishing it? They may not have even heard all of the songs at this point. It's ridiculous, really. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 8, 2014 8:56:42 GMT -5
So... was there a listening something yesterday? T minus four weeks until release day.
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 8, 2014 9:22:02 GMT -5
So... was there a listening something yesterday? T minus four weeks until release day. There was supposed to be an international listening sessions, but for the second time Mariah decided not to play music. So, she basically did some interviews and perhaps mingled. |
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Apr 8, 2014 9:29:03 GMT -5
What is she doing? How can you call them listening parties if you aren't giving them music to listen to during them?
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Post by Dreams on Apr 8, 2014 9:43:16 GMT -5
There was some new music played, but the interviewers were sworn to secrecy.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Apr 8, 2014 9:46:10 GMT -5
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