Mariah Carey: "IT'S TIME" 👑

[Ivy Leegue™]

I don't know anyone who dislikes #B, and most of my friends either don't like Mariah or only like her big songs.

[die Lotterie]

Yeah, #B was definitely universally liked. I've never met anyone who didn't like it, and I regularly hear it on TouchTunes at bars.

[Keelzit]

I'm done with expecting any big numbers from her anymore so I don't care about the drama surrounding this album. All I know is that I need it by summer! Just leak already.

[HolidayGuy]

jeng, #B probably may have been "huge" almost a decade or more ago (and more certainly, in the 90s). If it were a younger starlet singing it with Miguel, it probably would have gone higher than it did.

[sundaymorningguy]

I don't think Mariah's age had anything to do with #Beautiful and what it did or didn't do. I actually think it under performed. I think it should have easily been at least a top 10 hit for her. She ruined any forward momentum of that song with a terrible video and bad performances of the songs. Again with streaming counting, Mariah failed to realize the importance of creating a decent music video. If the song is good and people are feeling it, the song will transcend age. I think a lot of people, even Mariah, discount the good will that that song did for her. I mean I have friends who actually detest Mariah (aside from AIWFCIY) who loved Beautiful. It put her on so many people's radar who had up until that point made her an after thought, and she goes and ruins it with ill conceived follow ups and delays.

[Carlitoz]

I was thinking that maybe this time they know they have a song with potential to be a MEGA HIT and they will premiere it BIG only a few days before the albums comes out and won't be released as a commercially-available single so it would push people to buy the full album a few days later while there's still buzz around the song.
I mean, at this point everything is a guessing game...
The only way that would work is if it's really the type of song that has MASSIVE INSTANT APPEAL. Now is Mariah still capable of offering such song??? Who knows... maybe yes.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

I dont even want to think about the #Beautiful video. UGH! What another wasted opportunity. And it makes it even more depressing when Mariah looked so gorgeous. It could've been a great concept. Oh well...

[85la]

Apr 11, 2014 8:10:24 GMT -5 sundaymorningguy said:

I don't think Mariah's age had anything to do with #Beautiful and what it did or didn't do. I actually think it under performed. I think it should have easily been at least a top 10 hit for her. She ruined any forward momentum of that song with a terrible video and bad performances of the songs. Again with streaming counting, Mariah failed to realize the importance of creating a decent music video. If the song is good and people are feeling it, the song will transcend age. I think a lot of people, even Mariah, discount the good will that that song did for her. I mean I have friends who actually detest Mariah (aside from AIWFCIY) who loved Beautiful. It put her on so many people's radar who had up until that point made her an after thought, and she goes and ruins it with ill conceived follow ups and delays.

I'm sorry, but age absolutely is a factor with female recording artists these days. Can you think of any female artists over 40 who have had a major top ten hit in the past few years? (The only one person that comes to mind is J. Lo with On the Floor).

[die Lotterie]

Apr 11, 2014 7:07:08 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

jeng, #B probably may have been "huge" almost a decade or more ago (and more certainly, in the 90s). If it were a younger starlet singing it with Miguel, it probably would have gone higher than it did.

I knew as soon as I read his post last night that you would come in here and remind us all that ageism is in fact real.

[Linnethia Monique]

Apr 11, 2014 10:48:50 GMT -5 die Lotterie said:

Apr 11, 2014 7:07:08 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

jeng, #B probably may have been "huge" almost a decade or more ago (and more certainly, in the 90s). If it were a younger starlet singing it with Miguel, it probably would have gone higher than it did.

I knew as soon as I read his post last night that you would come in here and remind us all that ageism is in fact real.

You know she's like clockwork.

[sundaymorningguy]

Apr 11, 2014 10:34:56 GMT -5 85la said:

Apr 11, 2014 8:10:24 GMT -5 sundaymorningguy said:

I don't think Mariah's age had anything to do with #Beautiful and what it did or didn't do. I actually think it under performed. I think it should have easily been at least a top 10 hit for her. She ruined any forward momentum of that song with a terrible video and bad performances of the songs. Again with streaming counting, Mariah failed to realize the importance of creating a decent music video. If the song is good and people are feeling it, the song will transcend age. I think a lot of people, even Mariah, discount the good will that that song did for her. I mean I have friends who actually detest Mariah (aside from AIWFCIY) who loved Beautiful. It put her on so many people's radar who had up until that point made her an after thought, and she goes and ruins it with ill conceived follow ups and delays.

I'm sorry, but age absolutely is a factor with female recording artists these days. Can you think of any female artists over 40 who have had a major top ten hit in the past few years? (The only one person that comes to mind is J. Lo with On the Floor).

I didn't say age doesn't have anything to do with recording artists/radio, but I don't think in this instance her age played a role in #Beautiful's demise. Her momentum dropped pretty close to when that video dropped, so Mariah being Mariah ruined that moment to me. Like I said, I think people under estimate what Beautiful did for her. People who ignored and even degraded Mariah gave her notice with that song. Had she gotten out of her own way, I think she could have scraped a top 10 hit.

[dbhmr]

I think Beautiful actually would have done better if it had been billed as a Miguel song featuring Mariah. He's a hotter name and it sounds more like his song than hers; and it's not like she followed it up with an album so she had nothing to lose except a fraction of ego (which, lbr, was probably the real issue).

A better video and some more aggressive label/artist support would probably have helped, but I think switching the artist focus would have been the single easiest and most effective way to improve that song's disappointing and unjust performance.

[HolidayGuy]

That be right, Lottery and company- if someone didn't actually question why it wasn't a bigger hit than it was, or make another comment that doesn't acknowledge the hurdle, there'd be no need to.

mrlevine- I don't think there's anything Mimi could have done that would have made enough difference to climb a handful of positions higher on the chart. Most of Mimi's videos don't really sell the song, so as messy as the #B video was, I don't think it really had a negative impact. The video premiered early in its chart life, and it had 10 weeks or so of decent sales before it dropped. Had the video come out later, and then sales plunged, then I possibly could see that being a point.

[Ivy Leegue™]

You could just try to stop being a broken record and bringing up ageism EVERY. SINGLE. TIME, whether it be real or perceived. I'm starting to think at this point,people are baiting you. But, hey, you keep taking it, so...if you enjoy that type of thing, do you, bro.

[die Lotterie]

Apr 11, 2014 12:01:02 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

That be right, Lottery and company- if someone didn't actually question why it wasn't a bigger hit than it was, or make another comment that doesn't acknowledge the hurdle, there'd be no need to.

mrlevine- I don't think there's anything Mimi could have done that would have made enough difference to climb a handful of positions higher on the chart. Most of Mimi's videos don't really sell the song, so as messy as the #B video was, I don't think it really had a negative impact. The video premiered early in its chart life, and it had 10 weeks or so of decent sales before it dropped. Had the video come out later, and then sales plunged, then I possibly could see that being a point.

The hurdle is acknowledged on every page in every thread concerning her. You're not contributing anything.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

Does anyone think Mimi is going to release a new single soon (in a week or so)? I really hope so!

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

http://instagram.com/p/moXw8_Q9TC

So adorable. :'(

[HolidayGuy]

Even if it were mentioned on every page, Lottery and OBAYBUH! apparently some don't GET. IT. Baiting? Perhaps you're right, given the clueless nature of some of posts. (though I don't find jeng to be clueless; I'm sure he "gets it").

From now on, I'll just ignore such comments, not reply to anyone and just post my own random musings.

Those kiddies indeed are adorable.

[Linnethia Monique]

Apr 11, 2014 14:06:46 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Even if it were mentioned on every page, Lottery and OBAYBUH! apparently some don't GET. IT. Baiting? Perhaps you're right, given the clueless nature of some of posts. (though I don't find jeng to be clueless; I'm sure he "gets it").

From now on, I'll just ignore such comments, not reply to anyone and just post my own random musings.

Those kiddies indeed are adorable.

Don't tempt us like that.

[Mean A$$]

From Canada etalk:

On the new album:

I need for people to hear this as an album because if you take just a few songs out of context and just let people critique those, it's really not the same as some as something that was made, almost like it's one song.

Hmm, I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing... in my opinion, some songs should be able to stand on their own otherwise how are you going to put out singles to promote the album.. #MESS

[die Lotterie]

Apr 11, 2014 14:06:46 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

From now on, I'll just ignore such comments, not reply to anyone and just post my own random musings.

[HolidayGuy]

Oh, but I must. :) It just intrigues me so, how anyone gets into such a tizzy over something as trivial as Internet-forum posts, when they don't involve rudeness, disrespectful words or anything of that nature. Consider this- has anyone seen me make majorly rude, disrespectful or off-color remarks to anyone on this forum? And no one can say that there haven't been instances where I could have, and that it would have been justified. But plenty of posters get into arguments, insult each other and so forth.

Yes- my offensive forum behavior is reiterating a point multiple times, usually in reply to others who either don't understand something or, as suggested now, bait me. I'll make sure to say plenty of novenas, Hail Marys and more to repent for my sins. There must be a support group for broken records like myself.

Now, onto more pressing matters, as music should be making the people come together, after all. Three-and-a-half weeks from the release of Mimi's 12th non-holiday studio album. I'm not sure what she means as far as hearing the album and not just songs- she's been releasing standalone singles since summer 2012. And all of a sudden, she has this attitude toward the process?

And why are there question marks in the thread title? The album is coming May 6.

[Ivy Leegue™]

Now, don't be catty. I'm trying to defend you but if you are going to turn into an entitled slw84 type, wreaking your own special, personalized brand of merry havok across the board and gloating in the fact that it's a message board and you aren't actually breaking any rules then...#fuhgeddaboutit. It can't really be THAT hard to resist the temptation to respond with the "it's no secret that female acts will never reach their glory days again once they hit 40" every time someone talks about Mariah getting a #1, can it?? Anyway, remember: Mariah is the QUEEN of #1s. Did anyone EVER imagine when she started that she would surpass ELVIS or have the MOST #1s OF ANY SOLO ACT? I highly doubt it. So, forgive people if they are going to always want her to reach those goals, "unrealistic" or not. How about you try a new tactic? Put the talks of ageism to bed and root for her to do the impossible. If you can manage that, maybe I will love you like a Freeze Pop, Duncan Hines Yellow Cake, and O(verloaded)B(reast).

[Carlitoz]

Apr 11, 2014 14:34:52 GMT -5 Mean A$$ said:

From Canada etalk:

On the new album:

I need for people to hear this as an album because if you take just a few songs out of context and just let people critique those, it's really not the same as some as something that was made, almost like it's one song.

Hmm, I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing... in my opinion, some songs should be able to stand on their own otherwise how are you going to put out singles to promote the album.. #MESS

Hmm... so I guess she wants to pull sorta' a Beyonce and release the whole thing at once for the very first time on May 6th....

[SHOOTER]

Apr 11, 2014 15:04:12 GMT -5 Carlitoz said:

Apr 11, 2014 14:34:52 GMT -5 Mean A$$ said:

From Canada etalk:

On the new album:

I need for people to hear this as an album because if you take just a few songs out of context and just let people critique those, it's really not the same as some as something that was made, almost like it's one song.

Hmm, I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing... in my opinion, some songs should be able to stand on their own otherwise how are you going to put out singles to promote the album.. #MESS

Hmm... so I guess she wants to pull sorta' a Beyonce and release the whole thing at once for the very first time on May 6th....

[Deleted]

Apr 11, 2014 15:04:12 GMT -5 Carlitoz said:

Hmm... so I guess she wants to pull sorta' a Beyonce and release the whole thing at once for the very first time on May 6th....

... that would literally be like every other album release, though, and not like Beyoncé. Mariah has released singles in advance and has promoted the release date, whereas Beyoncé did neither of those things. Releasing an entire album "at once for the very first time" is what artists do every single week.

[Carlitoz]

Apr 11, 2014 15:15:50 GMT -5 @dawson said:

Apr 11, 2014 15:04:12 GMT -5 Carlitoz said:

Hmm... so I guess she wants to pull sorta' a Beyonce and release the whole thing at once for the very first time on May 6th....

... that would literally be like every other album release, though, and not like Beyoncé. Mariah has released singles in advance and has promoted the release date, whereas Beyoncé did neither of those things. Releasing an entire album "at once for the very first time" is what artists do every single week.

HA HA HA :) I know. Here I was just fantasizing that the previous 15 "FIRST" SINGLES never happened....

[Positive Tension]

Apr 11, 2014 14:34:52 GMT -5 Mean A$$ said:

From Canada etalk:

On the new album:

I need for people to hear this as an album because if you take just a few songs out of context and just let people critique those, it's really not the same as some as something that was made, almost like it's one song.

Hmm, I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing... in my opinion, some songs should be able to stand on their own otherwise how are you going to put out singles to promote the album.. #MESS

Agreed- this reminds me of Memoirs. While that album did have a few stand-out songs, most of them melded together, which made for a rather boring listening experience. If she can create a cohesive album where the tracks do stand on their own, then I'm on board.

[Deleted]

Apr 11, 2014 13:43:18 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

http://instagram.com/p/moXw8_Q9TC

So adorable. :'(

The fans that help get her a #1 single when she's 60 so she can break Cher's record.  :'(

[Deleted]

God bless Mimi, is all i can say right now. 3 weeks till it goes down.

*and apparently god heard me top of the page, not a useless post! its not like any of us spitting knowledge anyways, this whole era is a broken record*