Mariah Carey: "IT'S TIME" 👑

[#LisaRinna]

Ivy Leegue™

[jenglisbe]

I missed this yesterday:

I assume the "AAO" collaboration with Westlife is helping it.

[colson]

If it wasn't for #1s, I think she would have a Diamond or close to Diamond GH album in the U.S. Oh well, you can't have everything.

[jenglisbe]

Feb 17, 2024 19:27:53 GMT -5 colson said:

If it wasn't for #1s, I think she would have a Diamond or close to Diamond GH album in the U.S. Oh well, you can't have everything.

Well, or if Sony had just added "Heartbreaker" and "TGIFY" onto #1s and did a re-release of it instead of releasing GH then #1s would certainly be Diamond.

Meanwhile, it looks like lambs failed us again oh well:

Having said that, supposedly the mixing issue has been fixed so maybe some people will like it more now:

[Positive Tension]

^ I think you need more than Lambs, though.

If she's going to collaborate with someone else, I'm hoping it's on the original track vs a remix.

[colson]

Why is it "assumed" that Mariah is intentionally going for a 20th #1? I would think if it really was a priority of hers, she would collaborate on a new song with a well-known artist by now. It's been years. Maybe she collaborated with those recent previous artists because she either likes the song and/or likes the artists. No matter what rumors are saying, if her team were trying to get her credit for the remixes, they would have been more organized and timed it better or just waited until they felt she did a remix on a strong song that had a legit chance of giving her the additional charts points and credit.

We don't know what she's thinking or trying to do or if she is trying to do anything at all but have some fun.

I don't care about any of these remixes at all. I'm just looking forward to new material from her not a collaboration on someone else's project.

[newpower]

[casperr0430]

I am sure Mariah is disappointed with the outcome of the remix commercially. We can already assume that Mariah's next album will tank again and will have no commercial hits just like Caution. I expect Mariah not to release anymore albums after the next one and just focus on her previous hits to do concerts and more Vegas residency.

[jenglisbe]

The Pitchfork review newpower posted is really nice, and more so it shows how if music critics in the 1990s weren't predominantly middle aged white men Mariah would have had much better reviews in her career, and may have even been more respected in general.

#LisaRinna may love the description of "Shake It Off"

She flaunted her impassivity to drama on “Shake It Off,” the slinking, mid-tempo radio hit built on a piano-propelled lowrider bounce. As she reads a laundry list of a paramour’s indiscretions, including “this one and that one by the pool, on the beach, in the streets,” her voice is baby-oil smooth and almost slack to signify her breezy indifference: She can’t even bother to entirely enunciate consonants. The whisper quality of her background vocals—“I gotta shake, shake, shake you off”—sounds like salt thrown over the shoulder to prevent bad luck, a gentle internal monologue that gives the song its nimble quality.

I love this description:

“Circles” hearkens to classic Philadelphia soul with its warm bass guitar, sax, and other live instrumentation, showcasing Carey’s most kaleidoscopic talent: the way, when she harmonizes with herself, it evokes infinity mirrors in the most glamorous discotheques, so glittering as to be hallucinogenic.

This is good timing with the HoF stuff, too.

[colson]

Where's the R&R vote support? It's obvious to me that fans have either stopped voting or don't vote every day. She's fallen behind even more this past week from the top 6 artists ahead of her. Yes, at the end of the day, the voting doesn't matter. But it would be nice if the fans would show more support IF this is very important to Mariah.

When does the voting end?

[sundaymorningguy]

I have been voting everyday. I think I have been able to even vote twice using different log in methods. It might explain how some are pulling well ahead of her if fans of other artists are doing that too.

[jenglisbe]

Feb 18, 2024 7:44:57 GMT -5 colson said:

Where's the R&R vote support? It's obvious to me that fans have either stopped voting or don't vote every day. She's fallen behind even more this past week from the top 6 artists ahead of her. Yes, at the end of the day, the voting doesn't matter. But it would be nice if the fans would show more support IF this is very important to Mariah.

When does the voting end?

I think it's clear from the lack of streams for the new remix and the lack of votes for the HoF that lambs have gotten old and lazy lmao. Having said that, how are the fans of Peter Frampton doing so well? Like, wtf?

The main goal is to be top 5 as the top 5 all get 1 vote for induction.

Anyway fan voting ends on April 26 so there is a long way to go.

[colson]

Yes, I also think that some fans are using dishonest methods to pump in more votes for Ozzy and some of these other older artists. I hope Ozzy gets in because if he doesn't, there might be a revolt. lol

There has been a lot of complaining on social media about the nominees, but I think this is one of the more solid lists of nominees I've seen in a while. And I have to keep reminding people that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is not the "Rock music" Hall of Fame. It encompasses all types of artists and all types of music. If people took the time to review the lists of previously inducted acts, they wouldn't seem too bewildered or bitter every year when there are pop, R&B and rap artists being inducted.

[colson]

Feb 18, 2024 8:22:37 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Feb 18, 2024 7:44:57 GMT -5 colson said:

Where's the R&R vote support? It's obvious to me that fans have either stopped voting or don't vote every day. She's fallen behind even more this past week from the top 6 artists ahead of her. Yes, at the end of the day, the voting doesn't matter. But it would be nice if the fans would show more support IF this is very important to Mariah.

When does the voting end?

I think it's clear from the lack of streams for the new remix and the lack of votes for the HoF that lambs have gotten old and lazy lmao. Having said that, how are the fans of Peter Frampton doing so well? Like, wtf?

The main goal is to be top 5 as the top 5 all get 1 vote for induction.

Anyway fan voting ends on April 26 so there is a long way to go.

She's not going to get top 5 or even top 6 at this rate. The order has been the same for over a week. The only significant movement was when Mariah surpassed Kool & The Gang and Peter Frampton moved ahead of Foreigner and DMB.

[weaver]

Feb 18, 2024 6:19:13 GMT -5 casperr0430 said:

I am sure Mariah is disappointed with the outcome of the remix commercially. We can already assume that Mariah's next album will tank again and will have no commercial hits just like Caution. I expect Mariah not to release anymore albums after the next one and just focus on her previous hits to do concerts and more Vegas residency.

Well first of all it has been less than 48 hours, so that progression of events is just a tad dramatic. And I don't think Mariah cares that much about commercial success anymore. She spent so much of her career worrying about that, and she obviously is in a financial position to be less bothered about it - she said in the 90s she'd trade all of her record sales for some of the respect Mary J. Blige got. Well, I think she has that now.

She likely just hopped on the Yes, And remix for fun, and because Ariana asked her.

[Push The Button]

Eh, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that she recorded remixes to this and “Big Energy.” We know the Queen loves to see her name on that Billboard chart.

[jenglisbe]

Feb 18, 2024 11:12:19 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

Eh, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that she recorded remixes to this and “Big Energy.” We know the Queen loves to see her name on that Billboard chart.

Perhaps, but these remixes are also testaments to Mariah's legacy. "Big Energy" was already an homage to "Fantasy," and having Mariah on the remix stressed that even more. Ariana Grande is the most recent star who shows Mariah's influence on music (she creates a third generation of singers influenced by Mariah), and Mariah being on the "yes and?" remix is a reminder of that influence. (Let's also remember that Ariana and Max previously worked together on a song with a Mariah reference - "Into You").

[colson]

The "Big Energy" remix made perfect sense. This current remix doesn't to me. I just hope this doesn't discourage her to continue to work on more remixes in the future if she's feeling it.

I think most fans only care about the million-dollar question and that is when is she going to release her next album? I hope she's not feeling any pressure, but it has been years. But Mariah and her team must understand that they must do whatever they can to "properly" promote this album and get the word out there. That includes Mariah making public appearances and "performing songs" from the album. If you want different results, you have to show you really want it and get out there and put in the work. And if the album flops, it flops. Like Caution, I just hope it's a quality release to add to her legacy.

[Resident_Evil]

I actually didn't care for the original song but i have been listening the remix non-stop because Mariah brings some 'je ne sais quoi' quality to it.

But yes, the timing of the release is absolutely dumb and pointless.

[casperr0430]

Feb 18, 2024 11:12:19 GMT -5 Push The Button said:

Eh, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that she recorded remixes to this and “Big Energy.” We know the Queen loves to see her name on that Billboard chart.

Exactly! I believe this situation highlights that she cannot produce hits solely by her name alone even if the song may be really good. It's unfortunate that she might stop making albums as a possible result of lack of commercial success of the next album (It has been 6 years since Caution), especially considering the power and quality of her voice she showcased in her recent remix. However, she still has the option to write songs for other ”in”  artists."

[@DiegoMarcondes_]

I'm glad to see the Pitchfork's redemption for TEOM. It's my favorite Mariah's work, mainly because I was a big fan of hers at that time and was able to follow all the steps of that era.

But judging by the quality, "Butterfly" is a masterpiece, her best work to date.

[Caution]

J.Lo worked with Latto for her new album. Some things never change I guess.

[Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint]

Feb 20, 2024 5:54:16 GMT -5 Caution said:

J.Lo worked with Latto for her new album. Some things never change I guess.

It's flopping bad 😞

[Positive Tension]

Feb 18, 2024 12:16:59 GMT -5 colson said:

The "Big Energy" remix made perfect sense. This current remix doesn't to me. I just hope this doesn't discourage her to continue to work on more remixes in the future if she's feeling it.

I think most fans only care about the million-dollar question and that is when is she going to release her next album? I hope she's not feeling any pressure, but it has been years. But Mariah and her team must understand that they must do whatever they can to "properly" promote this album and get the word out there. That includes Mariah making public appearances and "performing songs" from the album. If you want different results, you have to show you really want it and get out there and put in the work. And if the album flops, it flops. Like Caution, I just hope it's a quality release to add to her legacy.

Agreed. If Mariah doesn't get the credit for this remix, I hope it doesn't discourage her from future collaborations. This one just wasn't timed well since the original song was underperforming at the time the remix came out.

I do hope her next collaboration will be on an original song. There are no guarantees with that, but she'd have a better chance at scoring a hit that way vs. jumping on a remix.

[jenglisbe]

Feb 20, 2024 20:07:44 GMT -5 Positive Tension said:

Feb 18, 2024 12:16:59 GMT -5 colson said:

The "Big Energy" remix made perfect sense. This current remix doesn't to me. I just hope this doesn't discourage her to continue to work on more remixes in the future if she's feeling it.

I think most fans only care about the million-dollar question and that is when is she going to release her next album? I hope she's not feeling any pressure, but it has been years. But Mariah and her team must understand that they must do whatever they can to "properly" promote this album and get the word out there. That includes Mariah making public appearances and "performing songs" from the album. If you want different results, you have to show you really want it and get out there and put in the work. And if the album flops, it flops. Like Caution, I just hope it's a quality release to add to her legacy.

Agreed. If Mariah doesn't get the credit for this remix, I hope it doesn't discourage her from future collaborations. This one just wasn't timed well since the original song was underperforming at the time the remix came out.

The original version underperforming was the only reason this remix had a shot at all of getting Mariah a credit. If the original was doing well, then the remix would have come in way behind it.

I do hope her next collaboration will be on an original song. There are no guarantees with that, but she'd have a better chance at scoring a hit that way vs. jumping on a remix.

Yeah an original song is obviously the best way to do it. I'm still annoyed she wasn't credited on "Emotionless."

[Leigh]

Honestly, this remix was lazy af. Ariana needed to go back in the studio and learn from Mariah how a remix is done with new vocals, hooks, belts. Mariah’s adlib at 3:12 shows me everything this remix could have been.

Having said that, I still wish they had asked Mariah to completely rework this into an RnB song. Or an EP with both this dance remix and an RnB one. Something/anything more creative than what we got.

[Caution]

I am loving Mariah's tone here
youtu.be/NdN_Cs4MWRc?si=Aks4YiHrgLjlYEFp

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

I’ve never seen these performances before

And this one was released a few days ago…

[colson]

She sounds sick to me.

[Ivy Leegue™]

I think the random rambling at the end of Thirsty is a precursor to her verse in the remix of Yes, and? LOL.