Mariah Carey: "IT'S TIME" 👑

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Someone said she was the goat. Someone said it's her yearly stimulus package and another said your fav doesnt have that. I said FACTS

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[areyoureadytojump]

Mariah Carey RIAA

www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=top_tallies&ttt=TAA#search_section

Mariah Carey: 9xp
Emotions: 4xp
MTV Unplugged: 4xp - counts as 2xP - short form album
Music Box: 10xp
Merry Christmas: 8xp
Daydream: 10xp
Butterfly: 5xp
#1s: 5xp
Rainbow: 3xp
Glitter: 1xp
Greatest Hits: 2xp
Charmbracelet: 1xp
The Remixes: Gold
The Emancipation of Mimi: 6xp
E=MC2: 1xp
Memoirs of An Imperfect Angel: Gold
Merry Christmas II You: Gold

Total: 68.5xP

Babs has a 4xP certification with Kris Kristofferson so her total is 72.5xP.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 15, 2020 15:51:40 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

Mariah Carey RIAA

Greatest Hits: 2xp - counts as 1xP - 2cd album

Wait, what? Double albums really only count as half their total?

[areyoureadytojump]

^Yes. That's why Madonna's Evita is only counted as 2.5xP in her total.

These are RIAA rules done in the mid-1990s. It makes everything confusing.

[ryang]

Dec 15, 2020 2:00:59 GMT -5 iHype. said:

I'mma let the original version of AIWFCIY have its moment, but this has remained the SUPERIOR version the past few years due to not being overplayed beyond tolerability.


I play it more every Holiday season now.

Lovely Rainbow tone.

[ryang]

Dec 15, 2020 11:59:39 GMT -5 Ernesto said:

Dec 15, 2020 9:10:55 GMT -5 imbuemyblue said:

A fun fact for if/when 'Merry Christmas' album goes diamond: she will be the first woman with three consecutive diamond albums. I wonder how that fares against other solo male artists/groups.... will look into it.

Shania Twain, a massive Mariah Carey fan, has already achieved that. "The Woman in Me" 12 million, "Come On Over" 20 million, and "Up!" 11 million. 

It’s worth noting that Up! only went diamond because it’s a double album.

[ryang]

Dec 15, 2020 15:59:32 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 15, 2020 15:51:40 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

Mariah Carey RIAA

Greatest Hits: 2xp - counts as 1xP - 2cd album

Wait, what? Double albums really only count as half their total?

GH was released shortly after Glitter and did not sell very well. It took years and years for it to reach 1 million in sales to qualify for double platinum.

[neverduplicated]

MC getting an 8x platinum certification was a huge surprise! That surely must mean it was eligible for 7x platinum last year, so it's weird they didn't certify it 7x platinum last year when they bothered to update it to 6x platinum. I wish certifications were just automatic like in the UK because the whole system seems like a mess to me. MC will easily be diamond in coming years, and I'm thrilled to see it!

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Dec 15, 2020 15:51:40 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

Mariah Carey RIAA

www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab_active=top_tallies&ttt=TAA#search_section

Mariah Carey: 9xp
Emotions: 4xp
MTV Unplugged: 4xp - counts as 2xP - short form album
Music Box: 10xp
Merry Christmas: 8xp
Daydream: 10xp
Butterfly: 5xp
#1s: 5xp
Rainbow: 3xp
Glitter: 1xp
Greatest Hits: 2xp - counts as 1xP - 2cd album
Charmbracelet: 1xp
The Remixes: Gold
The Emancipation of Mimi: 6xp
E=MC2: 1xp
Memoirs of An Imperfect Angel: Gold
Merry Christmas II You: Gold

Total: 68.5xP

Babs has a 4xP certification with Kris Kristofferson so her total is 72.5xP.

I’m sorry but that doesn’t add up to 68.5.

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Hopefully by this time next year she will have 4 Diamond albums and not 2. And we could also look into all her albums and see which ones we can increase

[colson]

It's surprising to me that no female has 4 or more Diamond albums. You would think that over all of these decades(with including GH sets), some of the bigger female acts would've achieved this by now.

[neverduplicated]

Dec 15, 2020 17:15:44 GMT -5 colson said:

It's surprising to me that no female has 4 or more Diamond albums. You would think that over all of these decades(with including GH sets), some of the bigger female acts would've achieved this by now.

How many acts have 4 diamond albums? Mariah will get there eventually, and I think Taylor could get there too.

[colson]

Garth Brooks has 9. The Beatles have 6 and Led Zeppelin has 5 of them.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 15, 2020 17:07:16 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

I’m sorry but that doesn’t add up to 68.5.

Right. I get 67.5 million using what areyoureadytojump said:

Mariah Carey: 9xp
Emotions: 4xp (13 million)
MTV Unplugged: 4xp - counts as 2xP - short form album (15 million)
Music Box: 10xp (25 million)
Merry Christmas: 8xp (33 million)
Daydream: 10xp (43 million)
Butterfly: 5xp (48 million)
#1s: 5xp (53 million)
Rainbow: 3xp (56 million)
Glitter: 1xp (57 million)
Greatest Hits: 2xp - counts as 1xP - 2cd album (58 million)
Charmbracelet: 1xp (59 million)
The Remixes: Gold (59.5 million)
The Emancipation of Mimi: 6xp (65.5 million)
E=MC2: 1xp (66.5 million)
Memoirs of An Imperfect Angel: Gold (67 million)
Merry Christmas II You: Gold (67.5 million)

[areyoureadytojump]

^Maybe they are no longer count double albums as half??

EDIT:

Yup. They must have ended that years ago and I didn't remember. Sorry.

Madonna and Shania Twain's 2cd albums are no longer counted by half.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

[ryang]

Perhaps the 3rd diamond cert is purposefully being held for the next milestone event or good press for the next big promotional endeavor.

[Positive Tension]

How weird...I always thought Emotions was 5x platinum.

I wonder if Charmbracelet and E=MC2 could eventually become 2x platinum in the not so distant future. It's been so long since I read about the certification rules, but if they sell or ship 1.5, does that mean they get 2x platinum?
From what I've read from other Lambs, it sounds like Rainbow should already be eligible for 4x platinum.

Worldwide, I wonder if Merry Christmas will overtake Daydream as her second best-selling album? I don't know if it could topple Music Box though.

[ryang]

Dec 15, 2020 18:54:34 GMT -5 Positive Tension said:

How weird...I always thought Emotions was 5x platinum.

I wonder if Charmbracelet and E=MC2 could eventually become 2x platinum in the not so distant future. It's been so long since I read about the certification rules, but if they sell or ship 1.5, does that mean they get 2x platinum?
From what I've read from other Lambs, it sounds like Rainbow should already be eligible for 4x platinum.

Worldwide, I wonder if Merry Christmas will overtake Daydream as her second best-selling album? I don't know if it could topple Music Box though.

I don’t think either CB or E=MC2 have scanned more than 1.3 million. I doubt either are anywhere near eligible. However, my 16-year-old self in 2003 saw it as a missed opportunity that CB wasn’t re-released with IKWYW to help it get to 2x platinum. In hindsight, I don’t think the re-release would’ve made much of a splash. I still want an official CB tour blu-ray though!

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Dec 15, 2020 8:20:45 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 14, 2020 23:34:34 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

Very early predictions has AIWFCIY holding off Taylor. But we shall see.

For Taylor’s team to discount the lead single and put out a remix all on the opening week shows that they know how big AIWFCIY is.

Taylor just released another remix for "willow." They clearly won't stop until #1 is secure.

I see Mariah fans criticizing Taylor for using these tactics to go #1 and possibly preventing Mariah from being #1 next week which is bizarre to me because Mariah benefited from similar tactics in her prime. Why shouldn't they pull out all the stops to maximize the peak? It was smart when Mariah benefitted from all the remixes, discounted singles, etc. and it's smart that Taylor is doing it now.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 15, 2020 19:25:57 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

Dec 15, 2020 8:20:45 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Taylor just released another remix for "willow." They clearly won't stop until #1 is secure.

I see Mariah fans criticizing Taylor for using these tactics to go #1 and possibly preventing Mariah from being #1 next week which is bizarre to me because Mariah benefited from similar tactics in her prime. Why shouldn't they pull out all the stops to maximize the peak? It was smart when Mariah benefitted from all the remixes, discounted singles, etc. and it's smart that Taylor is doing it now.

Not liking something is different from whether or not it's smart.

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Dec 15, 2020 19:43:05 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 15, 2020 19:25:57 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

I see Mariah fans criticizing Taylor for using these tactics to go #1 and possibly preventing Mariah from being #1 next week which is bizarre to me because Mariah benefited from similar tactics in her prime. Why shouldn't they pull out all the stops to maximize the peak? It was smart when Mariah benefitted from all the remixes, discounted singles, etc. and it's smart that Taylor is doing it now.

Not liking something is different from whether or not it's smart.

So do you have an issue with some of Mariah's songs being boosted to #1 by multiple remix singles, discounts, holding off on releasing the single until airplay was maxing out to boost the chances of hitting #1?

[cking33]

Dec 15, 2020 18:49:33 GMT -5 ryang said:

Perhaps the 3rd diamond cert is purposefully being held for the next milestone event or good press for the next big promotional endeavor.

I thought this too, but seemed like certifying the debut album diamond on the 30th anniversary of that album’s release and of her start in the music industry seemed like it would’ve been the perfect time, no?

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

I could care less.

I did find it peculiar that a particular Taylor stan thought it was amusing last year when Mariah did her promo and sold the AIWFCIY single (which wasn’t even needed since it hit #1 before that took effect) but I haven’t seen a peep out of them now that Taylor is doing similar tactics.

And besides this only shows how massive AIWFCIY is. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[jenglisbe]

Dec 15, 2020 19:45:17 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

Dec 15, 2020 19:43:05 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Not liking something is different from whether or not it's smart.

So do you have an issue with some of Mariah's songs being boosted to #1 by multiple remix singles, discounts, holding off on releasing the single until airplay was maxing out to boost the chances of hitting #1?

Did I say I had an issue with Swift? I am flummoxed.

I simply noted Swift's team is out for the #1. Noting that, or other things, is not the same as liking (or disliking) it.

Do I think some of Mariah's #1s were the most popular song the week they hit #1? Not necessarily. I also think what Mariah did is different from what BTS, Swift, etc are doing. Mariah remixed her songs out of a creative outlet, and they were actively worked to specific audiences. BTS and Swift are releasing remixes all in the same week to try and continue to boost sales throughout the week to get a #1. I also think delaying the release of a commercial single to get #1 is different because those were still popular songs just trying to maximize their popularity, versus manipulating stans to buy things to make a song more popular than it actually is.

[back2blk]

Taylor can come for the Queen all she wants. Go ahead girl, release 5 remixes of a song, if that's what you need to do to beat a 26 year old song.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

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Dec 15, 2020 19:55:21 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Dec 15, 2020 19:45:17 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

So do you have an issue with some of Mariah's songs being boosted to #1 by multiple remix singles, discounts, holding off on releasing the single until airplay was maxing out to boost the chances of hitting #1?

Did I say I had an issue with Swift? I am flummoxed.

I simply noted Swift's team is out for the #1. Nothing that, or other things, is not the same as liking (or disliking) it.

Do I think some of Mariah's #1s were the most popular song the week they hit #1? Not necessarily. I also think what Mariah did is different from what BTS, Swift, etc are doing. Mariah remixed her songs out of a creative outlet, and they were actively worked to specific audiences. BTS and Swift are releasing remixes all in the same week to try and continue to boost sales throughout the week to get a #1. I also think delaying the release of a commercial single to get #1 is different because those were still popular songs just trying to maximize their popularity, versus manipulating stans to buy things to make a song more popular than it actually is.

Not an issue with her personally, with the tactics. Your posts in the Hot 100 thread seem to suggest the same.

Obviously the tactics aren't identical because they're 20+ years apart in very different environments, but this just seems like silly stan war nonsense to me. I'll take Mariah over Taylor any day of the week and would rather see Mariah at #1 than Taylor, but I can't fault Taylor and her team for taking advantage of every opportunity to boost her songs to #1 when it works and when I defend Mariah's decisions to do the same in her prime. You could argue Mariah was manipulating the charts when "Loverboy" was deeply discounted and her fans were buying her singles in large quantities... "Loverboy" went all the way to #2 on the Hot 100 despite only peaking at #50 in Airplay so you could argue that was an attempt to "make a song more popular than it actually is". It just seems very hypocritical to me to any Mariah fan, who know these same criticism were lodged against Mariah back in the 90s and early 00s, now turn around and start accusing Taylor Swift of the same thing Mariah was accused of..

So... Team Mariah, but I'm not mad at Taylor's team for pulling out the stops to boost her chart potential. 

[Positive Tension]

I love Mariah and really like Taylor, so the tactics for getting Taylor to #1 don't bother me. However, is this a case where her song will get to #1 and drop like a rock? I know a couple of Mariah's #1s had fast rises and falls, but they still had a relatively average chart run of at least 20 weeks. The climate is different today, but if I were Taylor, I'd prefer a more organic run like "Delicate."

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Dec 15, 2020 20:20:22 GMT -5 Positive Tension said:

I love Mariah and really like Taylor, so the tactics for getting Taylor to #1 don't bother me. However, is this a case where her song will get to #1 and drop like a rock? I know a couple of Mariah's #1s had fast rises and falls, but they still had a relatively average chart run of at least 20 weeks. The climate is different today, but if I were Taylor, I'd prefer a more organic run like "Delicate."

Her only Hot 100 #1 that wasn't a major hit at radio (which isn't as important now as it was at Mariah's peak with the advent of streaming) is "cardigan" and that still peaked in the teens at Pop radio, Top 10 at Hot AC, and right outside the Top 10 at AC.. so I'd say fairly comparable to how some of Mariah's late 90s #1s performed. Assuming "willow" goes to #1 on the Hot 100, it's too early to say whether or not it will go on to become a hit by other measures.