Mariah Carey: "IT'S TIME" 👑

[🌺T.A.T.I🌺]

I’m probably going to get dragged but I haven’t read Mariah’s memoir yet. Shame on me😩

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Jan 13, 2021 15:22:34 GMT -5 🌺T.A.T.I🌺 said:

I’m probably going to get dragged but I haven’t read Mariah’s memoir yet. Shame on me😩

[Ernesto]

Jan 13, 2021 15:22:34 GMT -5 🌺T.A.T.I🌺 said:

I’m probably going to get dragged but I haven’t read Mariah’s memoir yet. Shame on me😩

Then you're in for quite an interesting read! I had to save for a few months to get the book and then it took about a month to be delivered but when I read it, in spite of all the spoilers, I truly enjoyed it - they only made me look forward to it even more. I have read it twice since then. I'm sure you will enjoy it too!

[sundaymorningguy]

Jan 13, 2021 13:13:16 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

I'm sorry but Mariah is completely delusional if she thinks she can make another MIAM after 9 years and sustain it vocally. If the new versions of OHN and JTTW she recorded for Apple are anything to go by, she should just stay away from high pitched songs and write for her midrange.

Yes Caution didn't have any big vocal moments, but it's not like the songs required them. And we loved it for that reason. Mariah's vocal talent is so much more than just belting and whistles, I wish she'd stop listening to these lambs telling her "oh! We need the beltz!" We don't. We need comfortable and clear singing and emotional attachment, nuances.

The fact that she still associates relinquishing some control to making a "bad/less than" album is disappointing. Mariah knows the industry in 2018 or 2021 is different than how it was 15 years ago. She knows that she needs to keep her ear on the streets if she wants to stay somewhat relevant and yet she thinks giving more control to new producers is a bad thing. I'm disappointed tbh. I thought she had learned some lessons from the colossal flop that MIAM was. Now that's an album she should go back to and think what went wrong.

I don’t think Mariah is interested in sustaining vocals. Honestly with all of the interviews and her Memoir, I think she is interested in singing songs the way that she wants. Some of her singing style is because it is comforting to her to sing it that way and some of it is her wanting to sing songs in a manner that sounds good on the radio even if we know that it wouldn’t work for her live.

[Carlitoz]

Do you consider Mariah could carry a Super Bowl performance? And no, this has nothing to do with her talent or voice or any kind of shade. I'm just trying to think of well known upbeat songs that would work well with that type of sports event and getting the crowd energized. I bet I'm forgetting a song somebody will bring up here. And not really referring to a closing ballad, but to the rest of the show. Thanks

[Dreams]

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Jan 13, 2021 18:01:39 GMT -5 Carlitoz said:

Do you consider Mariah could carry a Super Bowl performance? And no, this has nothing to do with her talent or voice or any kind of shade. I'm just trying to think of well known upbeat songs that would work well with that type of sports event and getting the crowd energized. I bet I'm forgetting a song somebody will bring up here. And not really referring to a closing ballad, but to the rest of the show. Thanks

Mariah has enough uptempo songs that rival anyone who has done the SB. Emotions, Fantasy, Dreamlover, Honey even Always Be My Baby would work and an host of others

However she cant dance and doesn't put to much into stage entertainment so she should always stay away from the SB especially at this age of her career where she is even more stiff than when she ran all over the place.

Not everything is for you some arent meant to headline the SB and others arent meant to stand and sing well.

[jenglisbe]

Jan 13, 2021 18:01:39 GMT -5 Carlitoz said:

Do you consider Mariah could carry a Super Bowl performance? And no, this has nothing to do with her talent or voice or any kind of shade. I'm just trying to think of well known upbeat songs that would work well with that type of sports event and getting the crowd energized. I bet I'm forgetting a song somebody will bring up here. And not really referring to a closing ballad, but to the rest of the show. Thanks

As a performer, no, but she certainly has a catalog of songs that would work (and they don't all have to be ballads, see "Halo" and "Fix You" being performed):
Always Be My Baby
Emotions
We Belong Together
Obsessed
I Know What You Want
Fantasy remix
Hero

Tbh she could even throw in "AIWFCIY" and people would love it lol.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Mariah can wipe out all them other girls with her iconic moves





Her legendary stage run alone will have people’s jaw on the floor.

[🌺T.A.T.I🌺]

Actor Jason Weaver post Mariah on his IG.

http://instagram.com/p/CKATmfViCGh

[jenglisbe]

I love that in the Podcast Mariah says she brought "AIWFCIY" to Walter and he responded "Why are you singing scales?" and Mariah notes "He's on record saying it." Get him, Mariah!

[Positive Tension]

Though I didn't listen to the podcast, it is too bad Mariah doesn't seem as happy with Caution as I would've expected. It didn't seem rushed to me, and 10 tracks was the perfect amount. I can see why she thought the vocals could've been improved, but I thought they were nice and understated. Also, the ad libs in the last part of "Caution" were really strong, imo. However- and I know nothing about singing technique- I would prefer her to sing more songs in the same vein as "I'll Be Lovin' U Long Time" because she sounded full, with good volume. If ehe could do that in 2008, I'm sure she could do it now.

[back2blk]

She gave us fresh production on Caution, yes, but we like Mariah for her vocals.  I'm not really looking for Mariah's current musical experimentation or for her to break any new ground in Pop and R&B - give me runs, belts, and whistles while you still got it. Caution's visuals and videos were very spot on and I think it's what helped the era take off. But, she's right, those grats definitely made the roll out confusing. Especially coming from her, when she's just so used to the old way of launching an album.

[cking33]

Jan 13, 2021 21:19:39 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

I love that in the Podcast Mariah says she brought "AIWFCIY" to Walter and he responded "Why are you singing scales?" and Mariah notes "He's on record saying it." Get him, Mariah!

This was the most I’ve heard her talk about Walter and mention him specifically by name in a long time. It’s clear she had a lot she wanted to say but I thought she did a good job being diplomatic and giving him appropriate credit even if she wanted to say many other things. She took the high road.

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I just finished that podcast and amazed how she basically interviewed herself and did her podcast. Not that they did a bad job at all but it just felt like her own podcast and took full control lmao. I enjoyed it . Cant wait for part 2

[Dreams]

Yeah, that was one of the best MC interviews ever. It's long and she touches upon everything almost, and even her tangents, her singing at random it's all so great. Like, if you're a lamb, and really into discussions about Mariah's music, voice and songwriting, this is your idea of heaven. Between that Apple music interview with Zane Lowe last month and this, we've had some amazing interviews from MC recently.

Also, ephelia - you're gonna love this podcast. Lol

I can't wait till Questlove posts part 2.

[The Northern Star⭐]

Jan 13, 2021 13:13:16 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

I'm sorry but Mariah is completely delusional if she thinks she can make another MIAM after 9 years and sustain it vocally. If the new versions of OHN and JTTW she recorded for Apple are anything to go by, she should just stay away from high pitched songs and write for her midrange.

Yes Caution didn't have any big vocal moments, but it's not like the songs required them. And we loved it for that reason. Mariah's vocal talent is so much more than just belting and whistles, I wish she'd stop listening to these lambs telling her "oh! We need the beltz!" We don't. We need comfortable and clear singing and emotional attachment, nuances.

The fact that she still associates relinquishing some control to making a "bad/less than" album is disappointing. Mariah knows the industry in 2018 or 2021 is different than how it was 15 years ago. She knows that she needs to keep her ear on the streets if she wants to stay somewhat relevant and yet she thinks giving more control to new producers is a bad thing. I'm disappointed tbh. I thought she had learned some lessons from the colossal flop that MIAM was. Now that's an album she should go back to and think what went wrong.

I dunno, these vocals are pretty strong and healthy. If she records an album and it sounds like this she may be right.

http://instagram.com/p/CJfh7DiAZMA

[jenglisbe]

Jan 13, 2021 22:51:23 GMT -5 back2blk said:

She gave us fresh production on Caution, yes, but we like Mariah for her vocals.  I'm not really looking for Mariah's current musical experimentation or for her to break any new ground in Pop and R&B - give me runs, belts, and whistles while you still got it. Caution's visuals and videos were very spot on and I think it's what helped the era take off. But, she's right, those grats definitely made the roll out confusing. Especially coming from her, when she's just so used to the old way of launching an album.

Well, that's her catch-22. If she's trying to pull in new fans/'relevant' listeners, her old ways aren't going to work. If she's wanting to adapt to new trends, it might not make sense for her old fans. Unfortunately she can't really have it both ways.

[jenglisbe]

Jan 14, 2021 2:37:17 GMT -5 @pma2015 said:

I just finished that podcast and amazed how she basically interviewed herself and did her podcast. Not that they did a bad job at all but it just felt like her own podcast and took full control lmao. I enjoyed it . Cant wait for part 2

Yes, it was terrific. And she did comment on how she took over, and they were literally like "No, go ahead we are loving all of this." Me too ha. So many good stories in there. She could write another book just detailing more of her interactions with James Brown, Luther Vandross, Michael Jackson, Prince, etc. (I know that would be more of a gossip book, but what I do wish to hear more about is what she and George Michael and Michael Jackson all discussed about Sony and labels and such).

[jenglisbe]

Spotify has an interview with Walter from last month:
open.spotify.com/episode/5TBPhDHavpwKzCwbHKTyZx
WTF at him saying she now states she started writing "AIWFCIY" as a little girl?! She has never said that before. The interviewer needed to call him out for that and the "scales" comment he made years ago that aligns exactly with how Mariah describes the process.
He specifically says they last spoke to each other 4 years ago when Mariah called him for publishing purposes related to her children's book All I Want For Christmas Is You. He says he thought someone was playing a prank on him until Mariah went "Hi, Waldo, it's Mariah!" Per Walter, Mariah even agreed to call him so they could write again. She never did, but he says he'd be the happiest man in the world when she does.

He also calls "My Heart Will Go On" boring and stupid lmao! Does anyone associated with that song actually like it? He also shades Beyonce songs having like 9 writers lol.

ephelia where you at? Lol.

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On the vocals topic, and since we were talking about how sexism has impacted the way Mariah is viewed over the years.. I've noticed male singers don't get nearly as much (or really any) flack when their vocals change with age. The voice changes with age, and the elasticity, range, etc. diminishes over time. Mariah's voice has certainly changed in the past few years. With Mariah and other female acts, they often get criticized for not taking care of their voice or the changes are viewed as something that's within their control that they've failed to control. I think some of that may be more blatant sexism and some of it may be more subconscious and related to what's expected from the male voice vs. the female voice.. when a man's voice gets rougher, deeper, etc. with age, it's seen as gritty and bringing additional emotional depth to the music.. when it's a female's voice, it's seen as something unpleasant.. and perhaps that's because people expect a woman's voice to sound softer and prettier..

In terms of Mariah specifically, I think her strength at this stage is more in the mid-range area which is why I don't mind an album like Caution with more subdued vocals. She still sounds fantastic singing in that range. I'm not as much of a fan of the higher range "Minnie Mouse" vocals on songs like "Save The Day".

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I agree I also think her falsetto since quarantine has been better than any time since 1997. Her falsetto sounds angelic and her runs in that range are so agile.

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Here are my lasting thoughts on Walter (2021 edition):

I’ve listened to everything now but more importantly I’ve paid attention to the tone of the way they speak about each other and that time frame. I can see that it will never happen again. And that’s a shame. I can tell that there was a miss understanding between the two and somewhere the communication broke down. When this happens to two people that were so close and shared so much sometimes it’s impossible to repair the relationship. They would literally have to lock themselves up in a cabin in the woods and talk everything out. I do believe Tommy was behind the breakdown as they seem to not even be on the same page as to what went wrong. We all know Tommy was a master manipulator and there was no way he was going to let Walter & Mariah to stay together. (If he couldn’t have her nobody could). I think the ultimate slap in his face would be if Mariah and Waldo reunited above it all and created great music together. It would be such a full circle moment. It would probably KILL Tommy. Remember he’s the guy who paid off radio stations to stop playing her. He’s evil. Mariah and Walter A got caught in the cross hairs.

As for AIWFCIY they are both basically saying the same thing, again there’s this big misunderstanding where Mariah’s ppl are probably saying that he’s taking all the credit and visa versa.

I will say that all the lambs and the music industry as a whole looses as long as they keep up not speaking to each other.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

Here's the thing - while I do understand what Mariah is trying to say with the subdued vocals on Caution, it was still fantastic because her mid-range vocals were superb, and the production was fresh. I'm worried that this means Mariah wants to do something like Save The Day going forward because that song was not cute at all.

[#LisaRinna]

Jan 14, 2021 7:52:38 GMT -5 The Northern Star⭐ said:

Jan 13, 2021 13:13:16 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

I'm sorry but Mariah is completely delusional if she thinks she can make another MIAM after 9 years and sustain it vocally. If the new versions of OHN and JTTW she recorded for Apple are anything to go by, she should just stay away from high pitched songs and write for her midrange.

Yes Caution didn't have any big vocal moments, but it's not like the songs required them. And we loved it for that reason. Mariah's vocal talent is so much more than just belting and whistles, I wish she'd stop listening to these lambs telling her "oh! We need the beltz!" We don't. We need comfortable and clear singing and emotional attachment, nuances.

The fact that she still associates relinquishing some control to making a "bad/less than" album is disappointing. Mariah knows the industry in 2018 or 2021 is different than how it was 15 years ago. She knows that she needs to keep her ear on the streets if she wants to stay somewhat relevant and yet she thinks giving more control to new producers is a bad thing. I'm disappointed tbh. I thought she had learned some lessons from the colossal flop that MIAM was. Now that's an album she should go back to and think what went wrong.

I dunno, these vocals are pretty strong and healthy. If she records an album and it sounds like this she may be right.

http://instagr.am/p/CJfh7DiAZMA

Yes these are great vocals, mostly midrange though. It's when Mariah spends too much in the studio and overthinks it that the problems arise.

[Dreams]

Jan 14, 2021 9:37:51 GMT -5 ephelia said:

Here are my lasting thoughts on Walter (2021 edition):

I’ve listened to everything now but more importantly I’ve paid attention to the tone of the way they speak about each other and that time frame. I can see that it will never happen again. And that’s a shame. I can tell that there was a miss understanding between the two and somewhere the communication broke down. When this happens to two people that were so close and shared so much sometimes it’s impossible to repair the relationship. They would literally have to lock themselves up in a cabin in the woods and talk everything out. I do believe Tommy was behind the breakdown as they seem to not even be on the same page as to what went wrong. We all know Tommy was a master manipulator and there was no way he was going to let Walter & Mariah to stay together. (If he couldn’t have her nobody could). I think the ultimate slap in his face would be if Mariah and Waldo reunited above it all and created great music together. It would be such a full circle moment. It would probably KILL Tommy. Remember he’s the guy who paid off radio stations to stop playing her. He’s evil. Mariah and Walter A got caught in the cross hairs.

As for AIWFCIY they are both basically saying the same thing, again there’s this big misunderstanding where Mariah’s ppl are probably saying that he’s taking all the credit and visa versa.

I will say that all the lambs and the music industry as a whole looses as long as they keep up not speaking to each other.

Walter says that when he heard Mariah's voice saying "Hi Waldo, it's Mariah!" on the phone (his Mariah impersonation is almost spot on lol) he damn near broke down in tears!! LMFAO!!! That reaction plus what specifically said in 2019 when asked why they don't speak anymore tells me he genuinely hurts that they don't. He says that she asked him a favor since she wrote all the lyrics to AIWFCIY, about the children's book and he said he asked her for a favor in return - to write with her again. He said she responded "I'll be in L.A. so I'll call you, I think it's time for that" but she eventually didn't. I can see Stella going "you don't need to be working with that old fart" lol. Y'all remember her trashy ass going in on Tommy "and his rotary phone"?  🤣

Anyway, I think Mariah, what with writing the book and everything, has been freer, more embracing in terms of events of the past and whatnot (you only need to see at the way she's come around to a lot of her early music in recent years for instance). On the podcast Questlove referenced "Can't Let Go" and how much he loves her work with Walter - he swayed the discussion to Walter and Mariah didn't even deflect, like she normally would, and for the first time ever went on to discuss what went down with them. I think the memoir has definitely been cathartic for her.

I hope Mariah starts working on the new album now that she's sitting at home and is basically doing nothing. Maybe I'm jumping the gun but I could see her calling Babyface after she tweeted him recently. And Jermash ofc!

[jenglisbe]

Jan 14, 2021 10:29:14 GMT -5 Dreams said:

Jan 14, 2021 9:37:51 GMT -5 ephelia said:

Here are my lasting thoughts on Walter (2021 edition):

I’ve listened to everything now but more importantly I’ve paid attention to the tone of the way they speak about each other and that time frame. I can see that it will never happen again. And that’s a shame. I can tell that there was a miss understanding between the two and somewhere the communication broke down. When this happens to two people that were so close and shared so much sometimes it’s impossible to repair the relationship. They would literally have to lock themselves up in a cabin in the woods and talk everything out. I do believe Tommy was behind the breakdown as they seem to not even be on the same page as to what went wrong. We all know Tommy was a master manipulator and there was no way he was going to let Walter & Mariah to stay together. (If he couldn’t have her nobody could). I think the ultimate slap in his face would be if Mariah and Waldo reunited above it all and created great music together. It would be such a full circle moment. It would probably KILL Tommy. Remember he’s the guy who paid off radio stations to stop playing her. He’s evil. Mariah and Walter A got caught in the cross hairs.

As for AIWFCIY they are both basically saying the same thing, again there’s this big misunderstanding where Mariah’s ppl are probably saying that he’s taking all the credit and visa versa.

I will say that all the lambs and the music industry as a whole looses as long as they keep up not speaking to each other.

Walter says that when he heard Mariah's voice saying "Hi Waldo, it's Mariah!" on the phone (his Mariah impersonation is almost spot on lol) he damn near broke down in tears!! LMFAO!!! That reaction plus what specifically said in 2019 when asked why they don't speak anymore tells me he genuinely hurts that they don't. He says that she asked him a favor since she wrote all the lyrics to AIWFCIY, about the children's book and he said he asked her for a favor in return - to write with her again. He said she responded "I'll be in L.A. so I'll call you, I think it's time for that" but she eventually didn't. I can see Stella going "you don't need to be working with that old fart" lol. Y'all remember her trashy ass going in on Tommy "and his rotary phone"?  🤣

Anyway, I think Mariah, what with writing the book and everything, has been freer, more embracing in terms of events of the past and whatnot (you only need to see at the way she's come around to a lot of her early music in recent years for instance). On the podcast Questlove referenced "Can't Let Go" and how much he loves her work with Walter - he swayed the discussion to Walter and Mariah didn't even deflect, like she normally would, and for the first time ever went on to discuss what went down with them. I think the memoir has definitely been cathartic for her.

I hope Mariah starts working on the new album now that she's sitting at home and is basically doing nothing. Maybe I'm jumping the gun but I could see her calling Babyface after she tweeted him recently. And Jermash ofc!

I can also see Mariah saying, "I'll be in LA, I'll call you" in the same way I tell friends from high school I'll hit them up when I visit their town...and then don't. It's something you say, but don't necessarily mean. Or only mean if you get desperate or something. And while Mariah may have not deflected off Walter in the "CLG" discussion, she did still point out he made things more pop than her.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

I just finished the Walter interview. He’s so stuck on the Casio keyboard story lol

Lol at when Mariah called him. Cute though, you can tell he would die if Mariah actually calls him again to write together.

He did say over and over Mariah writes everything herself and it’s a true songwriter and it’s among the greats.

Dead at the Beyoncé writing shade but he did say he thinks she’s amazing and “smells good”. Run Bey!

The tea he spilled on Jimmy Iovine (American Idol days) and David Foster. You can tell David Foster is a d***.

[Leigh]

Jan 14, 2021 12:16:48 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

I just finished the Walter interview. He’s so stuck on the Casio keyboard story lol

Lol at when Mariah called him. Cute though, you can tell he would die if Mariah actually calls him again to write together.

He did say over and over Mariah writes everything herself and it’s a true songwriter and it’s among the greats.

Dead at the Beyoncé writing shade but he did say he thinks she’s amazing and “smells good”. Run Bey!

The tea he spilled on Jimmy Iovine (American Idol days) and David Foster. You can tell David Foster is a d***.

David Foster is a misogynistic asshole. His beliefs and opinions about the role of a woman are terrible.

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Jan 14, 2021 12:31:10 GMT -5 Leigh said:

Jan 14, 2021 12:16:48 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

I just finished the Walter interview. He’s so stuck on the Casio keyboard story lol

Lol at when Mariah called him. Cute though, you can tell he would die if Mariah actually calls him again to write together.

He did say over and over Mariah writes everything herself and it’s a true songwriter and it’s among the greats.

Dead at the Beyoncé writing shade but he did say he thinks she’s amazing and “smells good”. Run Bey!

The tea he spilled on Jimmy Iovine (American Idol days) and David Foster. You can tell David Foster is a d***.

David Foster is a misogynistic asshole. His beliefs and opinions about the role of a woman are terrible.

He's an asshole period. He gives major narcissist vibes.