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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jun 19, 2018 14:59:43 GMT -5
I agree that quote was a bit of a stretch but let's be real though they did outlast a lot other countless R&B female groups (Brownstone, Kut Klose, Mokenstef, etc) and made a lasting impression. Just quoting to add Jade, Allure, Zhane, and Divine to this list. 702 did really well among the 90's R&B girl groups and I would go as far as saying that Where My Girls At? was the most omnipresent single from an R&B girl group in the 90s apart from No Scrubs and Waterfalls.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 19, 2018 15:01:36 GMT -5
I agree that quote was a bit of a stretch but let's be real though they did outlast a lot other countless R&B female groups (Brownstone, Kut Klose, Mokenstef, etc) and made a lasting impression. A lasting impression?
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 19, 2018 15:06:33 GMT -5
Divine had a #1 hit with "Lately." Jade's "Don't Walk Away" is still a classic. So is Zhane's "Hey Mr DJ." I don't even know why those groups are the comparison when there are female groups like TLC, En Vogue, Dixie Chicks, SWV, and Destiny's Child from the same decade. More so, I don't know why we're quibbling over groups with 1 enduring hit. Having 1 lasting hit doesn't mean your name comes to mind with the 90s in the way acts like Mariah, Nirvana, Whitney, Boyz II Men, Shania, Missy, Smashing Pumpkins, Garth Brooks, Toni, Jodeci, Faith Hill, etc would come to mind. That was the point I was making. In no way should it be genuinely stated that "When you think of the 90s you think of 702." 702 aren't even in the top 5 of female R&B groups from the 90s, much less are they one of the top 50 acts from the 90s. I stand by my point that the statement from the show was ridiculous.
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Post by Zinc. on Jun 19, 2018 15:14:08 GMT -5
Divine was a one hit wonder due to unfortunate circumstances. Don't Walk Away is Jade's only song anybody can remember. No one could name another song from them. Zhane was cool. They had two of the greatest cookout anthems, imo. I name these particular groups because they were on par with 702. I already said that the quote was a bit of a stretch but I do believe 702 made a last impression on R&B listeners,imho.
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Post by Zinc. on Jun 19, 2018 15:22:20 GMT -5
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jun 19, 2018 15:35:37 GMT -5
Divine had a #1 hit with "Lately." Jade's "Don't Walk Away" is still a classic. So is Zhane's "Hey Mr DJ." I don't even know why those groups are the comparison They are the comparison because Zinc said 702 outlasted Mokenstef, Kut Klose and Brownstone. I was just adding to the list of R&B girl groups that 702 outlasted.
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Post by Zinc. on Jun 19, 2018 15:45:28 GMT -5
This is why I said they made a lasting impression on R&B listeners. Vogue wrote this article citing them and a few other artists influential to Y2K R&B. I bolded some parts I thought stood out, imo.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jun 19, 2018 16:09:18 GMT -5
do you know why Ashanti is under The Opening Acts? Lol
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jun 19, 2018 16:32:42 GMT -5
Ashanti was a girl group in the 90's. They had one low charting R&B song.
What's hilarious, I stream music from my cloud all the time through the groove app and it assigns a default picture for each artist. When I go to listen to the solo artist Ashanti, the default picture they use is a picture of the girl group. Poor Ashanti... so d-list, even obscure girl groups get more shine than her.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jun 19, 2018 16:36:06 GMT -5
Ashanti was a girl group in the 90's. They had one low charting R&B song. I can't find any information on them anywhere. What was the song name?
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jun 19, 2018 16:37:32 GMT -5
Ashanti was a girl group in the 90's. They had one low charting R&B song. I can't find any information on them anywhere. What was the song name?
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jun 19, 2018 16:40:00 GMT -5
I can't find any information on them anywhere. What was the song name? lmao. was this a hit on the Christian charts? "there's definitely something wrong with a little bump n grind"
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Post by Caviar on Jun 19, 2018 20:19:13 GMT -5
I didn't see them but Zhané needs to be listed as all stars!
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jun 19, 2018 20:35:43 GMT -5
I didn't see them but Zhané needs to be listed as all stars! I guess they weren't counting duos. Because Changing Faces and Zhane sure as hell belong on there.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jun 20, 2018 2:11:31 GMT -5
I completely forgot Divine existed.
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Post by George on Jun 20, 2018 2:55:03 GMT -5
Nice to see For Real in the half-hit wonders!
And hey, I remember Premiere!
Too bad S.H.E. wasn’t included, even in that last category.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 20, 2018 9:20:31 GMT -5
I agree with their ranking. Um, what? 702 with Destiny’s Child? Even if that is only factoring in work in the 90s, DC had two #1 R&B hits “No No No” and “Bills Bills Bills” as well as the top 20 “Bug a Boo.” Technically “Say My Name” started charting in the 90s as well and of course was another #1. How does 702 rank the same as that? Regardless this is a side conversation. Even if 702 is, say, the #6 female R&B group of the 90s, in the overall scheme of R&B (i.e. including solo singles and male groups) in the 90s they’re at best top 25. When you then expand out to include all genres of music, they don’t make the top 50, which was my initial comment that began the conversation.
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Post by ItGirl on Jun 20, 2018 10:00:45 GMT -5
Meelah looked gorgeous on Unsung. GORGEOUS.
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Post by Zinc. on Jun 20, 2018 11:28:20 GMT -5
I already said that quote was a stretch and I don't agree with it at all. I was just drawing a comparison of them with other R&B female groups and came across that ranking pyramid which I stand by.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jun 20, 2018 12:04:33 GMT -5
Star > Survivor - I'll give them that much!
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jun 20, 2018 12:32:54 GMT -5
I agree with their ranking. Um, what? 702 with Destiny’s Child? Even if that is only factoring in work in the 90s, DC had two #1 R&B hits “No No No” and “Bills Bills Bills” as well as the top 20 “Bug a Boo.” Technically “Say My Name” started charting in the 90s as well and of course was another #1. How does 702 rank the same as that? Regardless this is a side conversation. Even if 702 is, say, the #6 female R&B group of the 90s, in the overall scheme of R&B (i.e. including solo singles and male groups) in the 90s they’re at best top 25. When you then expand out to include all genres of music, they don’t make the top 50, which was my initial comment that began the conversation. Destiny's Child's success and influence is overstated (and in my opinion their albums sucked) and you're understating 702 and their ranking among 90s R&B girl groups, and I'll leave it at that. "Where My Girls At?" alone was everywhere and easily one of the most omnipresent singles of the late nineties, by anyone.
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Post by Zinc. on Jun 20, 2018 12:51:24 GMT -5
Let's be real though, Destiny's Child only had one major hit at the time and was riding the train to One Hit Wonder ville before The Writing's On The Wall came into play,tbh. Both 702 and Destiny's Child debut eras were lackluster. Their debut albums did poorly initially but in time were able to secure plaques. However, though up to that point 702 had already collected three plaques for singles (two gold, one platinum). By the time, they released their sophomore albums, Destiny's Child's stardom rose while 702's faded and Destiny's Child continued on to bigger and greater things. But don't downplay that Where My Girls At? definitely opened up doors for them and helped them venture into other great opportunities.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 20, 2018 12:52:56 GMT -5
Even if the influence of Destiny’s Child is overstated, it doesn’t mean they belong on a level with 702. Destiny’s Child had 4 R&B #1s (to 702’s none) and 9 R&B top 10s (to 702’s 3). It is literally ridiculous to put them on the same level.
And, yes, “Where my Girls At?” was omnipresent in the late 90s, but so was Third Eye Blind’s “Semi-Charmed Life” and Natalie Imbruglia’s “Torn.” Do you also put them among the upper echelon of 90s acts?
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 20, 2018 12:55:30 GMT -5
Let's be real though, Destiny's Child only had one major hit at the time and was riding the train to One Hit Wonder ville before The Writing's On The Wall came into play,tbh. Both 702 and Destiny's Child debut eras were lackluster. Their debut albums did poorly initially but in time were able to secure plaques. However, though up to that point 702 had already collected three plaques for singles (two gold, one platinum). By the time, they released their sophomore albums, Destiny's Child's stardom rose while 702's faded and Destiny's Child continued on to bigger and greater things. But don't downplay that Where My Girls At? definitely opened up doors for them and helped them venture into other great opportunities. First of all, what other great opportunities? Secondly, what do other opportunities have to do with 702 anyway? The Braxtons aren’t a successful 90s group just because it helped Toni Braxton find a solo career. I also don’t know what Destiny’s Child only having 1 hit off their debut has to do with anything. They went on to have a lot more hits, including some in the 90s. They had more hit albums and singles than 702. The standom here is OOC.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jun 20, 2018 12:58:25 GMT -5
But don't downplay that Where My Girls At? definitely opened up doors for them and helped them venture into other great opportunities.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 20, 2018 13:02:43 GMT -5
But don't downplay that Where My Girls At? definitely opened up doors for them and helped them venture into other great opportunities. Again, what great opportunities? They literally didn’t have another R&B hit after that song, and none of them had a real solo career. What did that song ultimately do for them?
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jun 20, 2018 13:10:20 GMT -5
The Braxtons aren’t a successful 90s group just because it helped Toni Braxton find a solo career. Again, what great opportunities? They literally didn’t have another R&B hit after that song, and none of them had a real solo career.I'm confused, do you measure the success of a group on whether one of the members had a successful solo career or not? The first quote suggests "no" while the second quote implies "yes".
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 20, 2018 13:16:11 GMT -5
The Braxtons aren’t a successful 90s group just because it helped Toni Braxton find a solo career. Again, what great opportunities? They literally didn’t have another R&B hit after that song, and none of them had a real solo career.I'm confused, do you measure the success of a group on whether one of the members had a successful solo career or not? The first quote suggests "no" while the second quote implies "yes". I’m asking you to provide an example of how “WMGA?” opened the door for great opportunities for them since it’s being used as an example of being huge. You seem to be doing what you can to avoid the question. To answer your question, though, it’s clear N Sync opened doors for Justin Timberlake (and even JC a bit and Lance Bass and Joey Fatone have gone into other things) and that Destiny’s Child led to things for Beyonce and even Kelly and Michelle. 702 did not really do that for its members. More than that, to have 1 omnipresent hit does not make an act one of the most relevant acts to a decade. I again come back to what started all of this; all I said is that 702 is not one of the 50 biggest acts of the 90s. There is literally no case to be made that proves that statement wrong. I don’t even know what we are arguing at this point as all of this other discussion seems to be irrelevant to that point.
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Post by Leigh on Jun 20, 2018 13:17:18 GMT -5
Despite all of the back and forth, jenglisbe 's original point still stands: when people think of the 90s, they do not immediately think '702' above all else and it was an exaggeration on Unsung's part to make the episode more dramatic. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jun 20, 2018 13:20:15 GMT -5
No shade to 702, because I like them (plus we've already had this same exact discussion in the Steelo thread), but they were a third tier girl group then and they still are. Trying to sell them as anything else is pure standom and musical revisionism.
That Complex ranking is cute, but it's mainly looking at chart success. But it takes more than chart success for a group to be influential and to cement a legacy. 702 never reached the level of the best in terms of clout, branding or name value. They never had a major pop culture moment that made them more than three random chicks and they never tapped into any sort of zeitgeist like the best did. The reject punchline member of Destiny's Child has more name value than the LEAD SINGER of 702. EV, TLC, SWV and DC are the upper echelon (whether DC reached it in the 90's or not is irrelevant, they reached it). Xscape and Total were second tier IMO and 702 was bringing up the rear along with groups like Jade, Blaque and Brownstone.
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