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Post by sabre14 on Aug 24, 2014 19:23:51 GMT -5
When I heard this song for the first time, I honestly thought it was one of those interchangeable Z-list independently signed female singers that WATZ is so fond of playing (example: Sherry Lynn). This is just an amateurishly written song with nothing memorable about it and an instantly forgettable hook — "Love, I still believe in you". Wow, really strained yourself thinking that one up, didn't you? The best thing I can say about it is that Jana sounds as good on it as she did on her previous works. Different strokes for different folks, but Jana is probably my least favorite female vocalist out there right now. "Why Ya Wanna" was an instant station changer and "I Hope It Rains" likewise. The emphasis of her twang (from Michigan too, but I can look past that since some northern folks like me can tend to have a southern twang while singing since country is probably what she grew up listening to) really get under my skin. This song I actually feel is her best effort thus far and her vocals aren't quite as irritating to me as on her debut. The lyrics are pedestrian but I think they do come together overall. "Love" is having a tough go at it right now on the charts, but there is time left to have this be a decent sized hit for her.
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Post by mus1cr0w on Aug 24, 2014 20:45:36 GMT -5
This song, however noble, is done. Time to move on.
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on Aug 24, 2014 22:22:23 GMT -5
I really hope this isn't done... (as said above.) I really hope they can give this the push it needs (like they did for hunter's tattoo). I just wish it could catch on faster. (as said above though) there is still time for this to become a decent sized hit.
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Post by rsmatto on Aug 25, 2014 16:00:59 GMT -5
I really hope this isn't done... (as said above.) I really hope they can give this the push it needs (like they did for hunter's tattoo). I just wish it could catch on faster. (as said above though) there is still time for this to become a decent sized hit. It's more because she's a solo female artist than anything, even if the lyric isn't so inspiring. Though, the fact that she's also an actress leads me to believe that some stations really think she's gonna abandon ship for the next TV or movie gig which is far from the case. These two things probably have something to do with it or it could still be fatigue of being inundated with the repetitive "Why Ya Wanna."
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on Aug 26, 2014 20:49:06 GMT -5
I get why this is moving slow (because shes still new and a female) but i thought warner would have been able to pull out bigger numbers in airplay audience week to week. Jana already has an album prepared she's just waiting on the hit, but what if love doesnt pan out. would they go for 2nd single or in worse case (she loses spot on label.)
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Post by someguy on Aug 26, 2014 22:18:56 GMT -5
I think they'd go for a second single, if "Love" doesn't become big enough to get the album out (which I have my doubts about). If a second single tanks before an album gets released, then I'd start to worry.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 26, 2014 23:05:24 GMT -5
I still think this is going to catch on. It seemed to be off to a pretty good start before slowing down, so I'm betting it's more to do with the crowded-ness on the chart and the lower rank that she's at will put her behind other acts moving up faster.
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Post by gurustu on Aug 27, 2014 10:30:40 GMT -5
I have to disagree with MR when he states that the song is done and to move on. It's currently at #41 on Mediabase and has been on the charts for 9 weeks. Most singles that are GOOD typically stay on the charts for 20 to 24 weeks (some cases longer). I actually think this is a great song for Jana and still has some time to make it into the Top 30. It would really be a shame to see it not get into the Teens (but at the rate it's going then I'm not sure if it will) but it does deserve a chance.
I do agree with rsmatto's comment about her being a TV actress which may not help her much in terms of going over well with the radio folks. BUT, I'll take Jana Kramer over Lucy Hale any day. I just don't think Lucy Hale can sing all that well. However, on that note, I'm kinda tired of these actors and actresses trying to make it in Country music. I was very against Jana when she first got signed, but she grew on me and now I think she has proven herself worthy enough to be part of the country club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 18:40:37 GMT -5
Jana Kramer most definitely seems to want a long-term career in country radio, and my suspicion is that country radio understands this. Lucy Hale will likely never break because she is on a small label and has not ceased her acting career, but Jana is a devoted country music singer right now. Jana Kramer's debut album yielded a top 5 and another top 30 airplay hit, which probably wouldn't be possible if country radio felt distrustful of her commitment to country music. I was surprised by the speculation that "Love" is "done." This Jana Kramer record has been climbing at a decent, steady pace. Unfortunately, due to chart congestion and a series of new singles from A-list stars being released recently, Jana has been spending a lot of weeks at #41 on Mediabase, but her single will finally make the top 40 on his Sunday's published chart and she will collect extra spins a week from then when "Love" is first aired on the top 40 country music syndicated countdowns. Like most singles on the country chart, "Love" will have a slow climb, but I can still see this record going as high as #1.
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 23, 2014 21:21:07 GMT -5
I had high hopes for this song when it came out, but I'm just about ready to throw in the towel. She has just not been able to move from that high 30's/low 40's position. There's just been too many songs released from bigger artists that have just flown by and passed her. Sucks because this is my favorite song by a female since Follow Your Arrow. This song is so radio friendly and pleasant, I can't believe it can't sneak into the top 30. Are we going to eventually have 0 female artists on the chart once Carrie and Miranda retire? Someone has to make it through and become a new female star don't they? I want Jana to become big, but unfortunately it seems like radio is resisting.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Sept 23, 2014 22:08:41 GMT -5
I am really irked by this failing to take off. It looked like it was off to such a good start and then it just stopped moving. Really disappointed it hasn't done much better; I had predicted this would be a big hit for her.
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Post by dm2081 on Sept 23, 2014 23:20:48 GMT -5
I am really irked by this failing to take off. It looked like it was off to such a good start and then it just stopped moving. Really disappointed it hasn't done much better; I had predicted this would be a big hit for her. Yeah I really don't know what else her label can do. I can't imagine her having an even more radio friendly song, so I doubt releasing a new single would be any different.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 23:53:28 GMT -5
I don't find this song to be particularly well-written or very radio-friendly for that matter, either. The overall message and theme is fine but the hook of "love, love, love, I still believe in you" is pretty sappy even though, again, the message is a positive one.
There are a few good lines in here--namely the opening lines in the chorus:
Love, how many times can a heart break? Love, how much weight can a soul take?
The verses though? They're basically just list-element verses that are tied together very, very loosely.
I don't expect this to make the top 30, but I'm sure Elektra/WMN will try at least 1-2 more singles with her. They really have nothing to lose. They need to get a song to 'break' or they'll probably wind up cutting ties with Jana if they can't.
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Post by jonathanalan on Oct 13, 2014 20:24:49 GMT -5
I caught Jana last night as part of an acoustic charity concert with the Eli Young Band. I've been a casual fan of her few singles, but I have to say, I was definitely impressed by not only her vocal ability live but also her personality. I have to say she captured the crowd a lot better than the boys of Eli Young Band did, too. She was hilarious and a lot different than what I suspected her to be. Anyway, she sang a new song called Boomerang that I'm sure will be the hit she needs for this album. However, I've been hearing Love a lot more often on the radio, so I definitely wouldn't say it's done.
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Post by Tylerjamesnerd on Oct 20, 2014 23:16:47 GMT -5
Hello pulse its been awhile :) soo ive noticed this song has been moving on turtle speed lately and I think its near the end of its rode sadly. With the announcement of raylenn getting the "On The Verge" treatment I think jana's chances for that to save this song are now slim unless they want more than one female on the verge. I hope warner can recover her career because she has worked hard on the second album and I feel like shes proven she is serious about COUNTRY music. Do u think she can recover and release her album? should she move to single 2? I feel so sad thinking about the fact that my favorite artist isn't catching on.
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Post by countrym12 on Oct 24, 2014 0:22:11 GMT -5
I just saw Jana tonight and she said (as of now) the new album will be released in January.
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 24, 2014 11:08:36 GMT -5
Hello pulse its been awhile :) soo ive noticed this song has been moving on turtle speed lately and I think its near the end of its rode sadly. With the announcement of raylenn getting the "On The Verge" treatment I think jana's chances for that to save this song are now slim unless they want more than one female on the verge. I hope warner can recover her career because she has worked hard on the second album and I feel like shes proven she is serious about COUNTRY music. Do u think she can recover and release her album? should she move to single 2? I feel so sad thinking about the fact that my favorite artist isn't catching on. It's not done yet (it's a slow but steady rise, as to be expected for a female artist who isn't one of the two, three a-listers). Keep the faith.
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Post by sabre14 on Oct 24, 2014 13:56:02 GMT -5
"Love" has spent 20 weeks on the charts though and Jana only has had 1 new add over the past four weeks on MB. Her audience gains have improved this week as it's up over 300k since Sunday (just a measly 7 spin gain though) but her overall audience has actually seen a slight decrease of -170k in audience over the past four weeks with a brutal update on the October 13th chart date.
Barring a miraculous turnaround by Elektra Nashville/WB, I don't see "Love" catching on since it's been out a while and hasn't had many new stations hopping aboard lately. Plus it's sales haven't been anything to write home about though they have been far from bad. In the end, "Love" just was not a smart single choice IMO as I don't find it that radio friendly which isn't a good thing if you've got a female artist who hadn't had a single on the radio for close to a calendar year. I can see Elektra/WB sticking with this as long as possible but it's just delaying the inevitable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 0:42:47 GMT -5
Hello pulse its been awhile :) soo ive noticed this song has been moving on turtle speed lately and I think its near the end of its rode sadly. With the announcement of raylenn getting the "On The Verge" treatment I think jana's chances for that to save this song are now slim unless they want more than one female on the verge. I hope warner can recover her career because she has worked hard on the second album and I feel like shes proven she is serious about COUNTRY music. Do u think she can recover and release her album? should she move to single 2? I feel so sad thinking about the fact that my favorite artist isn't catching on. It's not done yet (it's a slow but steady rise, as to be expected for a female artist who isn't one of the two, three a-listers). Keep the faith. While I agree with you that it's not done, it pretty much is. There's no way that this makes the top 30. All it's doing at this point is taking up space. "Love" has been in the Billboard top 40 since July 21. Here we are, 3 months later, and it's at #36. She's got only 4.3 million in total audience, and it's taken the song 20 weeks to accumulate that much. It may chart for a few more weeks, but this song is pretty much done. As for the album release, we initially had some posters saying it would be out in August or September (that's what Jana had apparently said at some of her shows). Then it was to be out in November. And now the latest report is January. I'll say what I've been saying the whole time--the album won't come out until she gets a single back into the top 20. "Love" isn't going to get there, so there's no way the album will come out in January. If Jana were to release a new single right now, and IF it were to catch on, let's figure roughly 30 weeks until it gets to the top 20...that would mean no album out until the summer. I'm not trying to be pessimistic--I'm just trying to be logical. I suppose the label could release the album without a hit but I doubt it. Artists like Joel Crouse, JT Hodges, and Ashley Monroe, among others, had albums released without a big hit, but the major labels aren't likely to release an album unless it has a hit single as momentum; Ashley Monroe's case was different because a) she had recognition via the Pistol Annies, b) radio wasn't going to play her anyway, and c) despite a lack of radio support, she was already fairly well-known and respected as a writer. Anyway, if the label were to just throw the album out there right now (without a hit), I don't think that would bode well for Jana. But if they follow the traditional route of waiting for a hit (top 20) single and then releasing the album, I don't think we will see that album for quite some time yet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 4:56:54 GMT -5
Jana may not ever get to release a second album if she suffers the "sophomore slump" like Kip Moore and Tyler Farr (not sure if this term even applies to artists who can't even release their sophomore effort). I haven't heard her other material so I can't say whether I think Jana will manage to get a hit, but "Love" really seemed like the song that would break Jana through to me; if that one couldn't do the trick, I'm not sure anything will work for Jana unless it becomes a massive hit. How many new artists have had a lead single totally whiff and made a decent recovery with their second single? Looking at the congested nature of the country charts, I think Jana will need a really high-impact single to get back into the top 20.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 25, 2014 13:19:18 GMT -5
Jana may not ever get to release a second album if she suffers the "sophomore slump" like Kip Moore, Easton Corbin, and possibly Tyler Farr (not sure if this term even applies to artists who can't even release their sophomore effort). I haven't heard her other material so I can't say whether I think Jana will manage to get a hit, but "Love" really seemed like the song that would break Jana through to me; if that one couldn't do the trick, I'm not sure anything will work for Jana unless it becomes a massive hit. How many new artists have had a lead single totally whiff and made a decent recovery with their second single? Looking at the congested nature of the country charts, I think Jana will need a really high-impact single to get back into the top 20. Easton Corbin didn't have a sophomore slump; I'm guessing you mean what he's currently experiencing with album No. 3? Anyway, I doubt that Jana Kramer won't be able to get another hit. I'm not sure why this hasn't succeeded the way I expected it to, but I think she'll bounce back with the right song. She's got a pretty solid label backing her, a decent-sized fanbase for her stature, and her debut single was very successful. I can definitely see her scoring another hit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 20:15:06 GMT -5
Thanks for pointing out that mistake about Easton Corbin, .indulgecountry! I guess it's easy to lose track of which album/single all these new artists and B-listers are on! I'll fix it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 23:39:28 GMT -5
I still think this song has done about as much as it will do, but thanks to a major housecleaning on the charts, the audience level required to make the top 30 has dropped substantially in the last 2 weeks, and Jana actually has a chance to get there.
She moved up to #33 on Monday's Billboard chart, and 3 top 10 songs will go recurrent this coming Monday meaning that there's a *potential* route for "Love" to move up to #30. But there are a couple of problems...the obvious one is that both Toby Keith and Lady Antebellum are coming up pretty fast. I think Jana can stay ahead of Lady A for one more week but I'm not sure if she can stay ahead of Toby through the end of the week. The other problem is that, even if she does hold off Toby, Billboard could elect to re-enter Brothers Osborne's "Rum" into the top 30, which would mean Jana's highest possible destination would then be pushed back to #31.
So there's a chance this could sneak into the top 30 and at least make that milestone, but I'm not overly optimistic...although I will say that I didn't think she had a chance of going top 30 just 2 weeks ago but now there is at least that chance, even if it's still relatively small.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 22:05:46 GMT -5
Well the rest of the week was much kinder to Jana, and now it actually looks like she might be the front-runner for the #30 spot on tomorrow's Billboard chart. Her gains for the week were pretty small, but Toby Keith didn't gain quite as much as I thought he would (and he also loses top 40 countdown spins today), so Jana is projecting to finish about 100k ahead of him.
The Brothers Osborne scenario still applies, though. If that one is allowed to re-enter, then Jana's top 30 chances for tomorrow will go from about 60% to less than 10%. But I'll say that "Rum" doesn't re-enter though, and I'll give Jana a 60% chance of holding off Toby and Lady A, and coming in at #30 as a result. It's too close to say for certain, especially since the numbers are only estimates and could easily be ~250k above or below the projected outcome. That's enough of a margin of error that could possibly mean Toby does get ahead of Jana...so I can't go any higher than a 60% chance of Jana getting to #30, with the other 40% chance going to Toby.
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Post by someguy on Nov 3, 2014 20:17:03 GMT -5
I agree that this has done about all it's going to. Toby did pull back ahead, and Florida Georgia Line staying on messed up a lot of predictions, so Jana is at #32 this week. With Lady A coming up quickly, not to mention The Band Perry likely passing her soon, I'm not too sure if she will end up making the top 30. Despite a good week last week, she is in week 22 and hanging on by a thread.
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 10, 2014 16:50:47 GMT -5
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Post by dm2081 on Nov 10, 2014 18:18:36 GMT -5
^I don't even need to hear that to know it would be a complete flop. I hope she's not pushing that to be her next single. I just don't see country stations today playing a country song (a female country song nonetheless) that features an aging rock star. She has to have something better to offer than that.
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Post by mus1cr0w on Nov 10, 2014 21:05:16 GMT -5
Her career is done if she releases that as a single.
She has a real chance to ride a wave of female love in the media and hopefully at radio. She shouldnt dilute that by latching on to a has-been rocker. Yes hes a legend and im a fan. But its not the move for her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 21:16:05 GMT -5
Her career is done if she releases that as a single. She has a real chance to ride a wave of female love in the media and hopefully at radio. She shouldnt dilute that by latching on to a has-been rocker. Yes hes a legend and im a fan. But its not the move for her. MR Yeah, I don't think releasing that would be a smart move at all. She's a new female artist who should probably concentrate on her career and not botching the small chance she has left to make a name for herself. Established artists have the luxury of doing this; new artists can wreck goodwill with one bad move. I have a feeling Jana (or her label) feels this duet will get her some buzz because of Steven, but I don't see that translating into a successful single.
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Post by someguy on Nov 10, 2014 21:23:51 GMT -5
It's tough though, because I bet a Steven Tyler duet would get her a lot more attention than a solo single, especially following up a lead single that didn't really make an impact. I agree though that in the long run, a collaboration with Steven Tyler as her next single would do more harm than good, but it might gain her more attention in the short term.
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