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Post by sabre14 on Jun 14, 2014 19:05:59 GMT -5
I find it pretty interesting that "My Kind Of Music" by Ray Scott only peaked at #35 on R&R in early 2006, yet spent 24 total weeks on the chart. I know Clint Black's "The Strong One" and EYB's "When It Rains" have that beat but Ray's spent a great portion of his run in the high 40's and low 30's. It's incredibly hard to stay on that part of the chart for that long.
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Post by Todd on Jun 16, 2014 11:05:03 GMT -5
I can think of two interesting chart moves from back in the days when I used to follow the charts by way of American Country Countdown with Bob Kingsley.
Lorrie Morgan had a song called "My Night to Howl," that had a weird chart run. See if you can spot the outlier: 58-56-50-44-44-46-44-31-44-54-68
Another song that caught my attention was "She Used to Be Mine," by Brooks & Dunn. That song had a normal chart run for the time, climbing up and back down the chart, with a #1 peak. The unusual part was that in it's last 3 weeks it moved 40-42-34. I had never seen a high peaking song fall down the chart and out of the top 40, only to return to the countdown later on. In going back to research the specific chart positions for this post, I saw that it's final chart weeks were in the month of January, so maybe it got a boost from year-end recap type programming.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 16, 2014 13:24:52 GMT -5
* "Love Will Always Win" by Trisha and Garth had a rather odd quick run (as did Garth's next single "That Girl Is A Cowboy"). The song would debut at #37 on R&R and only get to #23. It spent just 7 bulleted weeks on the chart and 9 overall.
* "Long Slow Kisses" by Jeff Bates would spend 34 total weeks on R&R and peak at #12. It spent 5 consecutive weeks at #20. I remember listening to Country Countdown USA and after hearing Lon introduce "Long Slow Kisses" at #20 for the fifth straight week, I thought "there's no freakin' way this is at #20 again. Someone obviously screwed up".
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 17, 2014 17:20:09 GMT -5
Some more huge discrepancies between R&R/MB peaks and Billboard peaks.
Rushlow Harris - "That's So You" (MB #44)/(Billboard #57)
Jeff Bates - "One Second Chance" (R&R #47)/(Billboard #59)
Buddy Jewell - "So Gone" (R&R #47)/(Billboard #Didn't Chart)
Tracy Byrd - "Cheapest Motel" (MB #45)/(Billboard #55)
Susan Haynes - "Drinkin' In My Sunday Dress" (MB #46)/(Billboard #51)
Trick Pony - "Ain't Wastin' Good Whiskey On You" (R&R #36)/(Billboard #42)
Carolina Rain - "Let's Get It On" (R&R #51)/(Billboard #57)
Carolina Rain - "American Radio" (MB #48)/(Billboard #53)
Jeff Bates - "Rainbow Man" (R&R #40)/(Billboard #47)
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 17, 2014 19:37:55 GMT -5
A few more if you don't mind. :)
Phil Vassar - "This Is God" (R&R #14)/(Billboard #17)
Dusty Drake - "One Last Time" (R&R #23)/(Billboard #26)
Trick Pony - "A Boy Like You" (R&R #40)/(Billboard #47)
Travis Tritt - "Country Ain't Country" (R&R #22)/(Billboard #26)
Mark Wills - "When You Think Of Me" (R&R #24)/(Billboard #28)
Faith Hill - "When The Lights Go Down" (R&R #19)/(Billboard #26)
Pinmonkey - "I Drove All Night" (R&R #32)/(Billboard #36)
Julie Roberts - "Wake Up Older" (R&R #39)/(Billboard #46)
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 21, 2014 16:25:58 GMT -5
I was looking over the start of Gretchen Wilson's career, and it still amazes me how on fire she was out of the gate. "Redneck Woman" took just 12 weeks to hit 1 on R&R. It's chart run was 44-37-30-23-19-9-6-6-5-5-2-1-1-1-1-1-2-5-RC, and that's a debut single from a female artist. In fact "Here For The Party" debuted at #50 while "Redneck Woman" was still at #1 and was able to crack the top 30 while "Redneck Woman" was still charting, and that's unheard of for a brand new artist. HFTP's first four weeks went 50-41-30-22.
Looking at those numbers and taking into account the top 5 peak for "When I Think About Cheatin'" and the #1 peak on R&R for "Homewrecker", it's a shame how fast she faded out of the spotlight after that. Her last impressive chart success was the #24 debut for "All Jacked Up", but it hit a wall at #6 and went no further. Then a #18 peak for "I Don't Feel Like Loving You Today", "Politically Uncorrect (#20) and "California Girls" (#23). All R&R peaks. After that, she only had one more top 30 single with "Work Hard, Play Harder" (#16 on MB) in 2010.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jun 22, 2014 0:15:03 GMT -5
Another song that caught my attention was "She Used to Be Mine," by Brooks & Dunn. That song had a normal chart run for the time, climbing up and back down the chart, with a #1 peak. The unusual part was that in it's last 3 weeks it moved 40-42-34. I had never seen a high peaking song fall down the chart and out of the top 40, only to return to the countdown later on. In going back to research the specific chart positions for this post, I saw that it's final chart weeks were in the month of January, so maybe it got a boost from year-end recap type programming. A lot of songs seemed to be getting boosts for that. I think "Shut Up and Kiss Me" by Mary Chapin Carpenter did the same thing. "Amazed" also took a giant jump in January 2000 thanks to year-end spins. The same week, I believe Tim McGraw's "Something Like That" did likewise, actually jumping back into the Top 10 alongside "My Best Friend"! (Toby Keith did the same thing in January 2003 with "I Love This Bar" and "American Soldier" managing to cross paths within the Top 10 due to the former getting a boost from year-end countdowns.) Garth Brooks and Huey Lewis' "Workin' for a Livin'" had an odd chart run in 2008: 50-41-34-31-26-25-24-19-21-23-22-23-31-31-37- 40-40-49-40-58-60 I believe someone said that the sudden jump back up to #40 was because BB had just added a new station that still had the song in high rotation. Around the same time, Clint Black's "The Strong One" was falling as low as #50 before eventually rebounding into the Top 40 on 1/19/08. I think that's the lowest a song has ever gotten before re-entering. And I still think Gretchen Wilson's "All Jacked Up" had the strangest chart run ever. 21-15-10 in its first three weeks, fell out of the Top 10 for a couple more weeks, rebounded to #8, then plummeted.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 23, 2014 18:47:18 GMT -5
More R&R/MB verses Billboard peaks:
Blaine Larsen - "The Best Man" (R&R #30)/(Billboard #36)
Billy Dean - "I'm In Love With You" (R&R #44)/(Billboard #52) Whoa at that one....
Darryl Worley - "Family Tree" (R&R #22)/(Billboard #26)
Shannon Brown - "Corn Fed" (R&R #42)/(Billboard #47)
Trick Pony - "On A Mission" (R&R #15)/(Billboard #19)
Gary Nichols - "Unbroken Ground" (MB #35)/(Billboard #39)
Andy Griggs - "Practice Life" (R&R #27)/(Billboard #33)
Jimmy Wayne - "That's All I'll Ever Need" (MB #45)/(Billboard #50)
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Post by Todd on Jun 25, 2014 13:27:54 GMT -5
I thought of another interesting chart run - "It's Your Song," by Garth Brooks. Check out the movement: 33-10-9-10-11-17-20-27-35-35-41-45-49-51-50-48-48-51-54-56
I'm thinking this one holds the record for most weeks spent outside the top 40, after already having peaked in the top 10.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 25, 2014 13:35:14 GMT -5
I thought of another interesting chart run - "It's Your Song," by Garth Brooks. Check out the movement: 33-10-9-10-11-17-20-27-35-35-41-45-49-51-50-48-48-51-54-56 I'm thinking this one holds the record for most weeks spent outside the top 40, after already having peaked in the top 10. That's the biggest problem I had with Billboard recurrent rules, especially back then when quicker chart runs where the norm. If a song was just going to meander on the bottom half of the chart back then, why keep it on? "Workin' For A Livin'" in early 2008 had a similar run, though it never got to the top 10. I believe a new station on Billboards panel that had just been added, had the song in medium to heavy rotation still and caused it to stay on the lower part of the chart for so long.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 25, 2014 15:42:47 GMT -5
More R&R/MB peaks verses BB peaks. :)
Aaron Tippin - "Come Friday" (R&R #37)/(Billboard #42)
Phil Vassar - "Good Ole Days" (R&R #18)/(Billboard #22)
Keith Anderson - "XXL" (R&R #24)/(Billboard #23)*
Mark Chesnutt - "A Hard Secret To Keep" (R&R #49)/(Billboard Peak #59)
Lila McCann f/Jim Brickman - "I'm Amazed" (R&R #52)/(Billboard #59)
Lee Brice - "She Ain't Right" (MB #31)/(Billboard #29)
LoCash Cowboys - "Here Comes Summer" (MB #42)/(Billboard #41)*
Toby Keith w/Krystal Keith - "Mockingbird" (R&R #22)/(Billboard #27)
Billy Dean - "This Is The Life" (R&R #48)/(Billboard #52)
Trent Willmon - "Beer Man" (R&R #27)/(Billboard #30)
* Higher Billboard peak than R&R/MB.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jun 27, 2014 6:47:02 GMT -5
Kip Moore's "Mary Was the Marrying Kind" was #40 Mediabase/#45 Billboard if I'm not mistaken. That one surprised me, since for the past five years or so, BB/MB discrepancies aren't usually more than one or two spaces, so a five-space discrepancy for that song really stuck out.
I believe that Lady A's "Love Don't Live Here" was #3 on Billboard but only #4 on Mediabase somehow.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 27, 2014 15:08:50 GMT -5
Kip Moore's "Mary Was the Marrying Kind" was #40 Mediabase/#45 Billboard if I'm not mistaken. That one surprised me, since for the past five years or so, BB/MB discrepancies aren't usually more than one or two spaces, so a five-space discrepancy for that song really stuck out. Yes it was, in late June. Kip's song was on more stations and had more spins than most others in the 40's which caused him to have the edge on points. However his audience was low because many stations had his spins during the overnight hours which effected his lower audience on BB. Here's the MB and BB chart the week Kip was able to squeak in at #40 on MB. Issue Date: 6/27/2011 Mediabase37. James Wesley - Didn't I 38. Joe Nichols - Take It Off 39. Shania Twain - Today Is Your Day 40. Kip Moore - Mary Was The Marrying Kind 41. Hunter Hayes - Storm Warning 42. Kellie Pickler - Tough 43. Sunny Sweeney - Staying's Worse Than Leaving 44. Reba McEntire - When Love Gets A Hold Of You 45. Sara Evans - My Heart Can't Tell You No 46. Lauren Alaina - Like My Mother Does 47. Alan Jackson - Long Way To Go 48. Phil Vassar - Let's Get Together 49. Lunabelles - A Place To Shine 50. Keith Urban - Long Hot Summer Issue Date: 6/27/2011 Billboard Airplay37. JaneDear Girls - Shotgun Girl 38. Shania Twain - Today Is Your Day 39. James Wesley - Didn't I 40. Kellie Pickler - Tough 41. Keith Urban - Long Hot Summer 42. Hunter Hayes - Storm Warning 43. Alan Jackson - Long Way To Go 44. Sunny Sweeney - Staying's Worse Than Leaving 45. Lauren Alaina - Like My Mother Does 46. Sara Evans - My Heart Can't Tell You No 47. Reba McEntire - When Love Gets A Hold Of You 48. Kip Moore - Mary Was The Marrying Kind 49. Phil Vassar - Let's Get Together 50. Josh Abbott Band - Oh, Tonight Less than .600 in audience separated Kip from Kellie on BB. Kip was on at least 14 more stations than any other song in the 40's and had at least 61 more spins than any other song in the 40's on MB. When you take a look at the numbers it actually makes some sense.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jun 27, 2014 18:52:16 GMT -5
Another one with a giant discrepancy was "Love Is (Belting Like Martina McBride for No Reason, Apparently)" by Katrina Elam. #47 BB, #40 MB.
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Post by recjus85 on Jun 28, 2014 13:49:33 GMT -5
Another one with a giant discrepancy was "Love Is (Belting Like Martina McBride for No Reason, Apparently)" by Katrina Elam. #47 BB, #40 MB. LOL I love that song, but yea... I didn't realized that it hit top 40 on MB.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 28, 2014 13:53:35 GMT -5
Another one with a giant discrepancy was "Love Is (Belting Like Martina McBride for No Reason, Apparently)" by Katrina Elam. #47 BB, #40 MB. LOL I love that song, but yea... I didn't realized that it hit top 40 on MB. It was on a number of stations compared to others around it and was spun more than others around it which effected it's total points so it could squeak out a week at #40. But it's overall audience was pretty low compared to competing singles on both charts. I believe songs #41-44 had or nearly had more audience than her with less spins. A lot of them came in the overnight hours which didn't help either.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jun 29, 2014 15:04:20 GMT -5
Since the mongrel chart came along, anyone know the highest that a song has gotten on Country Airplay without entering the mongrel chart at all? I know "I Will Wait" is one of the only Top 40 airplay hits not to touch the mongrel chart.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 29, 2014 15:12:46 GMT -5
Since the mongrel chart came along, anyone know the highest that a song has gotten on Country Airplay without entering the mongrel chart at all? I know "I Will Wait" is one of the only Top 40 airplay hits not to touch the mongrel chart. I believe "I Miss You" (#36) by the Henningsens and "Better I Don't" (#40) by Chris Janson were two that didn't appear on the mongrel chart. "Be Grateful" (#36) by The Farm came close as it squeaked in at #59.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 29, 2014 19:23:34 GMT -5
Another fast flame out chart run was "Hey Mr. President" by the Warren Brothers. It got to #27 after just three weeks on R&R in 2003. Then it just stopped in it's tracks, and was off the charts after only 7 total weeks. It had reasonable gains when it stalled, but week #6 was a bad update and lost points the next week and then it was gone.
41-30-27-29-29-28-29-recurrent.
There had to be some kind of reason for that one. I know fast flame outs happened back then but that one was so strange. It was a patriotic song but it was released in April of 2003, so nothing coinciding with an event would have caused that. There are some more but that one always puzzled me.
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Post by recjus85 on Jun 29, 2014 19:26:28 GMT -5
Totally forgot about that song, and was just thinking of their duet with Sara while doing her list in the other thread.
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 29, 2014 19:29:20 GMT -5
Totally forgot about that song, and was just thinking of their duet with Sara while doing her list in the other thread. I did that song on page 25 of the "random video" thread. :)
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Post by sabre14 on Jun 30, 2014 17:10:22 GMT -5
Speaking of the Warren Brothers; their first release of "Sell A Lot Of Beer" in 2003 was one of the largest discrepancies of R&R verses BB. It reached #41 on a week where a ton of singles went recurrent on R&R that didn't on BB but it would gradually settle back down in the 40's and soon go recurrent. It got to just #51 on Billboard.
Then BNA re-released the song off their Barely Famous Hits album. Unfortunately the second release proved lower than the first as it only reached #59 on Billboard and the mid 50's on R&R in 2005.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jun 30, 2014 19:40:00 GMT -5
I think "Hey Mr. President" was too polarizing for a lot of people, not unlike "This Is God" around the same time. Oddly, I remember WKJC playing the former but not the latter.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 2, 2014 13:25:52 GMT -5
Looking at the week ending 5/13 chart from 2005; Tim McGraw's "Drugs Or Jesus" which spent a good month bouncing from 11-13, missed the top 10 on R&R by just 39 points. George's "You'll Be There" leaped from 14-10 and snagged that final top 10 spot that week. The whole month of May was a fairly soft chart before the heavy hitters like "Fast Cars And Freedom", "As Good As I Once Was", "Something More", and "Mississippi Girl" took over in June and July.
Jo Dee's "My Give A Damn's Busted" was #1 for a second week and only had 11871 points. Trace's "Songs About Me" reached a peak of #3 with under 10000 points, clocking in at 9788. Lonestar's "Class Reunion (That Used To Be Us)" reached a unbulleted peak of #12 with only a mere 6100 points, which is very, very low for the #12 song back then. Many songs went or were about to go recurrent and the biggest benefactors were "Class Reunion" (got to #12), "Long Slow Kisses" (got to #12) and "I'll Take That As A Yes (The Hot Tub Song)" (got to #10, unbulleted no less).
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 9, 2014 14:03:02 GMT -5
There really seemed to be a ton of flame outs back in the early to mid 2000's, especially 2002-2004. "Heavy Liftin", "Rock-A-Bye Heart", "Whatever It Takes", "Rainbow Man", "Hey Mr. President", and "The Middle Of Nowhere" by Brian McComas to name a few.
Now singles last forever. If a single today peaks at #35 but only spends 14 weeks on the chart that's considered a flame out. "Rainbow Man" by Jeff Bates got to #40 on R&R in just a month but three weeks later it was gone.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jul 9, 2014 16:12:55 GMT -5
Another weird one. "Goodbye Earl" flamed out so fast that "Cowboy Take Me Away" outlasted it by nearly a month.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 9, 2014 23:00:53 GMT -5
Shania had some major flame outs like "Shoes" and "I Ain't No Quitter", even "Don't" wasn't on the charts for that long. But "I'm Gonna Getcha Good" was a big one. After it's big debut, it only peaked at #8 on R&R with just 8 bulleted weeks and 10 overall in late 2002.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 13, 2014 16:24:20 GMT -5
Another flame out was "Coalmine". Just 8 total weeks on R&R with a peak of #35 and just like that it was sent packing.
A song out at the same time, "That's How They Do It In Dixie" peaked at a similar #33 but spent 20 weeks on the chart. I also just realized that Hank Jr.'s final top 10 hit was "Good Friends, Good Whiskey", "Good Lovin'" in 1990, yet he charted 14 times from 1992 to 2009 without cracking the top 30.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 14, 2014 7:53:17 GMT -5
Another flame out was "Coalmine". Just 8 total weeks on R&R with a peak of #35 and just like that it was sent packing. A song out at the same time, "That's How They Do It In Dixie" peaked at a similar #33 but spent 20 weeks on the chart. I also just realized that Hank Jr.'s final top 10 hit was "Good Friends, Good Whiskey", "Good Lovin'" in 1990, yet he charted 14 times from 1992 to 2009 without cracking the top 30. The remake of A Country Boy Can Survive with Chad Brock and George Jones hit #30 in 2000 in Billboard.
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Post by sabre14 on Jul 14, 2014 12:21:21 GMT -5
Another flame out was "Coalmine". Just 8 total weeks on R&R with a peak of #35 and just like that it was sent packing. A song out at the same time, "That's How They Do It In Dixie" peaked at a similar #33 but spent 20 weeks on the chart. I also just realized that Hank Jr.'s final top 10 hit was "Good Friends, Good Whiskey", "Good Lovin'" in 1990, yet he charted 14 times from 1992 to 2009 without cracking the top 30. The remake of A Country Boy Can Survive with Chad Brock and George Jones hit #30 in 2000 in Billboard. Wasn't that Chad's single though? I guess that counts but I was more talking about Hank Jr.s promoted singles off his albums.
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