Green Baron
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Post by Green Baron on Jul 23, 2014 22:30:22 GMT -5
Yep I'm here, in the process of reading through everything that happened today. Still have several pages to go. Well, you were the main cause of all this, so... |
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Zeebz
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Post by Zeebz on Jul 23, 2014 22:33:28 GMT -5
Honestly, I am side eying Baron. As was stated earlier, he played the whole new and not knowing what to do thing but now he seems to know a lot more that he has come under fire. It might not worth looking into, as he could have researched, but it does strike me as odd.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 23, 2014 22:34:38 GMT -5
Ok, I just read through all of Zebra's posts. He did seem to start off pretty slow in the beginning up until he finally gave his analysis, which was really nothing more than a review of what everyone did. He did do that weird vote change between Green Baron and Lahey but he did voice suspicion of both of them. What I find odd about it was that in his analysis, he said he was giving Green Baron the benefit of the doubt and removed his vote from him but then his next post voted for him again. So that's definitely strange. Other than that though, I don't really see anything that gives a solid indication of him being scum, tbh. Despite the role claim pretty much nearly confirming he's a power bottom town, Drag still seems more scummy with his play than Zebra does to me.
I'm going to keep my vote on Lahey.
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WotUNeed
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Post by WotUNeed on Jul 23, 2014 23:25:04 GMT -5
Yesterday I had less than a full page to sort through when I got home. Today... R.I.P., the rest of my night. p. 35: Nick's vote on Drag is pretty well-reasoned. Okay I was gonna stay quiet about something but what were you doing visiting WotUNeed last night? ... remember when I asked why making a joke would be suspicious? But, I guess I'd have to provisionally believe you as town because that's just a weird way to try to push a Nick mislynch if you're scum, and Nick confirmed that your tracker's report was accurate, and there's no good reason to pull random shit like this right now for distancing or whatever. Well no point hiding it now. I'm the Town Watcher. I watched Wot last night because like I joked about earlier, he's always killed Night 1. One person targeted him, and I won't out that person unless a majority would like me to. Drag, I don't know why you would assume I burned him over ANY OTHER POWER ROLE, but whatever  Doc, your services would be appreciated tonight. Hmm. Watcher doesn't make you auto-town, but your explanation is plausible as a town line of thinking. I can think of reasons why you'd watch me as scum, too, but that's a consideration for another day. So far, we've got confirmed Town firefighter and dayvig, and claimed watcher and tracker. I guess that's possible in a game this size. Re: Baron's table... anybody else tempted to make a late push for a lynch on Row 11 Column 2? #mod: I can ensure Wot IS still alive. Good to know. Anyway, we have essentially a day left. I don't mean to rush things, but... I think we need to decide on a target. ... but speaking of rushing things, just to get this out there to minimize future end of day facepalming: *Do not hammer (for the new players, cast the vote that's going to finish lynching) anyone without first giving that person a chance to roleclaim and share reads/thoughts/any other info. *If you are town, do not hammer yourself. If you do that, you suck. I honestly don't know what to say to convince everyone I'm town. I could role claim but that's usually a bad move. It would be a bad move to do it right now, but if you're about to get lynched, better to claim and give us any other info you can to potentially help Town. Well, you were the main cause of all this, so... Gee thanks  ---- At this point, I'm realizing I don't have enough scumreads. I wouldn't normally have been parked on Zebra-wagon this long, but I've been kind of directionless with my vote right now. So, I guess, looking at our options: From the pool of people who at least some other people are looking at it besides Zebra, I'd be willing to consider B4L as well, although I think I'm going to feel very dense when I get to the green room and someone explains the obvious cue I missed that got everyone else to the Town4L conclusion. Surf and Lahey are less attractive to me, but viable. I keep going back and forth on Codex; I want his spot to be Town, but I occasionally get nervous about that reading his posts. ---- Okay, so, with the Nick and Drag claims out there, we probably should consider N2 implications and if there's a way we can minimize damage. I'm thinking something like this might be a viable plan: DOCTOR (whoever you are, don't claim, just read): Protect Nick tonight. NICK: Do one of the following: 1) Watch Drag 2) Watch me again. Do not tell us today which one you will do. DRAG: Track Nick again OR Track Max (choosing someone off your leaning scum list from p.37). Do not tell us today which one you will do. Thoughts? |
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Zeebz
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Post by Zeebz on Jul 23, 2014 23:26:56 GMT -5
Okay good point. If I'm about to be lynched I may role claim (without quoting my role PM because no)
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WotUNeed
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Post by WotUNeed on Jul 23, 2014 23:31:28 GMT -5
DOCTOR (whoever you are, don't claim, just read): Protect Nick tonight. NICK: Do one of the following: 1) Watch Drag 2) Watch me again. Do not tell us today which one you will do. DRAG: Track Nick again OR Track Max (choosing someone off your leaning scum list from p.37). Do not tell us today which one you will do whoever you want. Thoughts? Thinking about it more; amended. In order for this to potentially be useful, Drag's target can't be limited. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 23:34:34 GMT -5
Sounds like a useful plan WotUNeed. I'm down for it.
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WotUNeed
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Post by WotUNeed on Jul 23, 2014 23:49:16 GMT -5
DOCTOR (whoever you are, don't claim, just read): Protect Nick tonight. NICK: Do one of the following: 1) Watch Drag 2) Watch me again. Do not tell us today which one you will do. DRAG: Track Nick again OR Track Max (choosing someone off your leaning scum list from p.37). Do not tell us today which one you will do whoever you want. Thoughts? Thinking about it more; amended. In order for this to potentially be useful, Drag's target can't be limited. Ugh I can't decide which is more pro-Town with Drag's spot. If we think it's likely that Nick is Town, then it's better for Drag to be able to track anyone, but if we think Nick is still a good scum possibility, then it's better for him to be a 50/50 target with someone else to make fakery more risky. Meh. Open to ideas here, just trying to think of a way we can make this work out for us. |
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Az Paynter
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 23, 2014 23:51:49 GMT -5
Vote: Lahey you have said literally nothing during any of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 23:52:59 GMT -5
I'm down for putting a bit more pressure on Lahey.
Vote: Lahey
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SuperLaLaLa~
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Post by SuperLaLaLa~ on Jul 24, 2014 0:04:56 GMT -5
Less Than 24 Hours Left Vote Count~
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Zebra.: 5 (WotUNeed, Green Baron, Lahey, Kunt, nick64)
Lahey: 5 (Codex, Zebra, Max, Drag, Az)
Green Baron: 2 (B4L, Coco)
B4L: 1 (Surfboardt)
Codex: 1 (Rocky)
Not voting: popstop
Deadline is in ~23 hours (July 24th, 11:59pm EST).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:14:02 GMT -5
surfy Rocky popstop @spiritanimal Hefty HannaWith the deadline being under 23 hours I wanted to see where your heads are at with who we should lynch. Currently both Lahey and Zebra are at L-3.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:23:53 GMT -5
I need to think, nothing anybody has said is making me come off Green Baron who i find scummiest. i think the argument against Zebra is weak but if that's how everyone is voting don't have enough to rebuttal against it, because I'm just not sure.
that leaves me leaning Lahey right now because he was and is on my radar, I don't see anything useful about him, I think his posting elsewhere and avoiding here screams indie more than mafia. I feel if he was town or mafia he would have slightly more analysis, concern and even the few times he posted it seems like he didnt even bother reading the entire thread.
I'm NOT 100% comfortable with a lynch that isnt Green Baron rn however after the events of today unless Zebra and OR Lahey don't speak up and explain thats where i will be leaning too.
i still think however Green baron is scummiest player so far, i just don't have the ammo.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:26:05 GMT -5
Vote: Lahey
until further explanation comes from him, maybe being close to a lynch will reveal something?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:27:40 GMT -5
Just a heads up that Lahey is 11 hours away from receiving another prod. Lahey's Lucky Star, can i request for you to post a bit more? |
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popstop
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Post by popstop on Jul 24, 2014 0:34:02 GMT -5
At this point, I'm realizing I don't have enough scumreads. I wouldn't normally have been parked on Zebra-wagon this long, but I've been kind of directionless with my vote right now. So, I guess, looking at our options: From the pool of people who at least some other people are looking at it besides Zebra, I'd be willing to consider B4L as well, although I think I'm going to feel very dense when I get to the green room and someone explains the obvious cue I missed that got everyone else to the Town4L conclusion. Surf and Lahey are less attractive to me, ut viable. I keep going back and forth on Codex; I want his spot to be Town, but I occasionally get nervous about that reading his posts. Well, get out of my head, Wot. Honestly, Wot, I hope to god you're not mafia because you're one of the only (non-claiming) person I am completely confident is town, so I have looked at your posts for guidance more than most. I had my vote on Zebra all of D2, some of that due to my inactivity. I just feel like I need to consider other people, and I HAVE - I mean, there are 6 or 7 people that are pretty squirrely to me. And I feel pretty confident about oh, half? of my town reads. So I feel like the odds are in my favor to pick mafia. So, I am going to bounce some ideas off you and you tell me what you think: 1. Of the people on my "lynch them now" list, the only one who really responded to me about non-Zebra suspicions -I think- was Codex, and he gave a list of people that mostly matched my unsure list. So, I don't think I'll be voting for Codex today. 2. I asked Rocky to go beyond the chart, and he gave me Surf and Drag. Now Drag was never high on my suspect list, so that was a flag to me. I know he also has fingered Codex (kinky), but no outright read on everyone like some of us have done. I think with Rocky, there's so much he has that's discussion, but not scum hunting, it makes it harder to read and makes me feel like he's hiding behind "safe" conversation. 3. To Surf's credit, he's done an analysis (twice), so I hate to be dismissive, but both were more about feels rather than evidence. (The second was better.) I like that Surf was willing to FOS Kunt as a potential indie (if only because no one else has done that), but then he recapitulated when he got blowback on that, and that seemed a little too people-pleasing for me. 4. Lahey and his evasive teas - only reading the people that are in jeopardy and a couple discussion points regarding Baron and Surf (He defends Baron and not Surf) are about the only things he;s really contributed. Lynch him? Okay, so, with the Nick and Drag claims out there, we probably should consider N2 implications and if there's a way we can minimize damage. I'm thinking something like this might be a viable plan: DOCTOR (whoever you are, don't claim, just read): Protect Nick tonight. NICK: Do one of the following: 1) Watch Drag 2) Watch me again. Do not tell us today which one you will do. DRAG: Track Nick again OR Track Max (choosing someone off your leaning scum list from p.37). Do not tell us today which one you will do. Thoughts? I don't understand nick's part in this plan. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:49:19 GMT -5
I'm confused why Wot is telling Drag to track people tho, that is already what Drag is doing, no? It would be big sign to mafia incase one or two are on Drag scum list. No offence but Drag's list could be wrong too. Just read over the thread and pick someone random, so nobody can get ideas on who track.
I think by being so transparent we are giving scum too many clues.
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Post by surfy on Jul 24, 2014 0:50:51 GMT -5
Okay... well if Lahey isn't going to post, especially after he's been posting pretty much everywhere else... I will vote him. It really strikes me as odd.
That being said Vote: Lahey
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:51:01 GMT -5
also out of the usual suspects, hopefully in the morning we will hear from
B4L, Rocky and Az further. I would love to gain more insight from them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:51:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:54:10 GMT -5
Vote Count~
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Lahey: 7 (Codex, Zebra, Max, Drag, Az, Coco, Surfboardt)
Zebra.: 5 (WotUNeed, Green Baron, Lahey, Kunt, nick64)
Codex: 1 (Rocky)
Green Baron: 1 (B4L)
Not voting: popstop
Deadline is in ~22 hours (July 24th, 11:59pm EST).
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Lahey's Lucky Star
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Jul 24, 2014 0:54:29 GMT -5
Reading everything rather quickly right now, and yeah, I did expect a lot this time. Smh at the two role-claims, first of all, and a few things: 1.) Figured Nick wasn't mafia with the inconsistencies in his posting history up until the role-claim, which he had been keeping up from past games. 2.) Drag calling out Nick was pretty dangerous yet unpredictable so I'm going for his word on it. Now to isolate some quotes: Then there's Julian (Drag). I don't quite follow him. Unpredictable. Oh no! He's rather predictable. Here's what goes in a cyclical order: 1. Someone finds him suspicious and votes him. 2. He throws in some half-ass answer and leaves it there. 3. Votes for Predictable Choice who resurfaces in other's lists as suspicious. (it's Surf now) I'm willing to change my vote to either of them and the Codex thing still stands. btw @mod: Can I ask a vote count? It's about time. I'm also finding it curious that he's been extremely vocal as of this past game alone. Maybe it's a bit reaching, but people tend to switch up their gameplay when given a different role. I take it I'm one of the few who just isn't side-eyeing Green Baron at all? You're not the only one. I guess Baron's done his research with him upping his ante all of a sudden. Okay, so, with the Nick and Drag claims out there, we probably should consider N2 implications and if there's a way we can minimize damage. I'm thinking something like this might be a viable plan: DOCTOR (whoever you are, don't claim, just read): Protect Nick tonight. NICK: Do one of the following: 1) Watch Drag 2) Watch me again. Do not tell us today which one you will do. DRAG: Track Nick again OR Track Max (choosing someone off your leaning scum list from p.37). Do not tell us today which one you will do. Thoughts? I don't understand nick's part in this plan. It would be interesting to see who Drag will target, whether it be scum or something else. I honestly don't get why Nick would watch Wot, though... And the rest of the posts were either talking about the role-claim or past suspicions, aside from what I addressed and I can only come up with one verdict: I'm in serious trouble. |
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Lahey's Lucky Star
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Jul 24, 2014 0:54:51 GMT -5
Oh I'm at L-1.
F*ck me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:57:47 GMT -5
Unvote: Lahey
i want him to feel pressure to speak, not sure I want to lynch him yet. We have nothing on him other than evasive but he could be town and just a bad player.
will wait for his answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:59:26 GMT -5
#mod: Unvotes must be in bold
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Lahey's Lucky Star
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Jul 24, 2014 0:59:29 GMT -5
It's hard to operate from a Wii...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 1:02:00 GMT -5
and of course soon as I say that he types, weak answer. acting like you just found out you're L-1 not a good look, those notifications you would have seen before coming up with your initial post. I still get evasive teas, indie or mafia all the same.
Vote: Lahey
Until further notice, sorry mod.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 1:03:17 GMT -5
#mod: I will be going to bed here in like 10 minutes, so you may have to wait awhile for the revealing of a role before I reveal it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 1:03:20 GMT -5
Unvote: Lahey
I'm gonna sleep now and will post more in the AM.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 1:03:25 GMT -5
#mod: Unvotes must be in bold don't try me, i don't do well with authority.  |
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