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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 5, 2014 21:53:18 GMT -5
Crashing a bit on iTunes. I wonder if Meghan will block her on CHR?
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 5, 2014 21:58:53 GMT -5
Crashing a bit on iTunes. I wonder if Meghan will block her on CHR? Crashing? No baby doll. The colors of green and white show that she has maintained or gained in sales. Meghan's featuring on Jimmy Kimmel has caused a spike in her sales. ;)
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Post by kanimal on Sept 5, 2014 22:59:36 GMT -5
Crashing a bit on iTunes. I wonder if Meghan will block her on CHR? Definitely just the AATB surge. Earlier today, almost all of the Top 20 was red due to the explosion of interest in Meghan Trainor's song. There's nothing to indicate Shake it Off is selling worse than would have been expected today.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 5, 2014 23:03:29 GMT -5
Crashing a bit on iTunes. I wonder if Meghan will block her on CHR? Definitely just the AATB surge. Earlier today, almost all of the Top 20 was red due to the explosion of interest in Meghan Trainor's song. There's nothing to indicate Shake it Off is selling worse than would have been expected today. Songs don't go red because of other songs. They go red in relation to themselves.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 5, 2014 23:05:32 GMT -5
Definitely just the AATB surge. Earlier today, almost all of the Top 20 was red due to the explosion of interest in Meghan Trainor's song. There's nothing to indicate Shake it Off is selling worse than would have been expected today. Songs don't go red because of other songs. They go red in relation to themselves. I've always been under the impression that updates go green or red in relation to whatever is #1.
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Post by kanimal on Sept 5, 2014 23:08:34 GMT -5
Definitely just the AATB surge. Earlier today, almost all of the Top 20 was red due to the explosion of interest in Meghan Trainor's song. There's nothing to indicate Shake it Off is selling worse than would have been expected today. Songs don't go red because of other songs. They go red in relation to themselves. "Q: Sometimes everything is only light green or light red. Why? A: That happens when the values have changed a bit but not significantly. The colors then only show whether the popularity value itself increased or decreased."
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Post by josh on Sept 5, 2014 23:13:05 GMT -5
Songs don't go red because of other songs. They go red in relation to themselves. "Q: Sometimes everything is only light green or light red. Why? A: That happens when the values have changed a bit but not significantly. The colors then only show whether the popularity value itself increased or decreased." So you just proved yourself wrong.
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Post by kanimal on Sept 5, 2014 23:15:27 GMT -5
"Q: Sometimes everything is only light green or light red. Why? A: That happens when the values have changed a bit but not significantly. The colors then only show whether the popularity value itself increased or decreased." So you just proved yourself wrong. No. Popularity value = ratio to the number one song. On top of that, this is something of a wacky argument anyway. The song was expected to decline this week - it's not in a position to sustain 360K downloads/week. So whether the update is relative to the rest of the chart or to itself, it *should* be ultimately trending downward. When you add in the fact that Meghan Trainor was NOT expected to get a bump like this (the market doesn't account for surprise Tonight Show appearances), it should put your mind at ease regarding Shake it Off and its ratio to AATB.
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Post by josh on Sept 5, 2014 23:26:09 GMT -5
Q: What do the colors mean? A: When the popularity values update, the top 75 songs are ranked according to their growth, and then divided into five categories. Dark green songs show the strongest growth, dark red the weakest growth.
Colors = change in absolute value Numbers = change in percentage of #1
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Post by Joe1240 on Sept 5, 2014 23:47:34 GMT -5
The song is far from done. No song maintains high digital sales every week. I don't recall "Problem" hanging onto the top spot of the digital sales spot very long. This song is on it's way to going to #1 on CHR/Pop at this point. The song has been out for 3 weeks,so of course some other songs are gonna start selling more again. It's going to be in the top 5 of the Billboard Hot 100 for awhile unless some big major releases come out and knock it out.
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Post by kanimal on Sept 5, 2014 23:54:22 GMT -5
The song is far from done. No song maintains high digital sales every week. I don't recall "Problem" hanging onto the top spot of the digital sales spot very long. This song is on it's way to going to #1 on CHR/Pop at this point. The song has been out for 3 weeks,so of course some other songs are gonna start selling more again. It's going to be in the top 5 of the Billboard Hot 100 for awhile unless some big major releases come out and knock it out. You're right overall, but Problem is not the best example. It was the regular #1 song for more than a month, per Kworb's archives.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 6, 2014 0:02:02 GMT -5
No song maintains high digital sales every week. Roar did. 18/08 557k 25/08 392k 01/09 448k 08/09 373k 15/09 331k 22/09 301k
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 6, 2014 1:36:13 GMT -5
No song maintains high digital sales every week. Roar did. 18/08 557k 25/08 392k 01/09 448k 08/09 373k 15/09 331k 22/09 301k Ehhhhh. How many consecutive massive hits did "Roar" follow again? "Shake It Off" is coming off the back of "Everything Has Changed" and "22". Not exactly a great comparison (and that's not even mentioning the competition between "Roar" and "Applause" that added to its total or the gained publicity from the "Brave" "scandal"). Either way I don't see why people are up in arms about Taylor's digital performance. She always knocks out her opponents through album sales. What was Teenage Dream's sales in relation to Red's sales again? ;)
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Post by Juan Carlos on Sept 6, 2014 6:55:42 GMT -5
SATURDAY 9/6 UPDATE:
CHR/Pop: 10 6 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 11166 9447 1719 74.163
+ 284 Spins + 130 Bullet + 2.059 Audience
Hot AC: 8 7 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 4431 3701 730 30.741
+ 115 Spins + 2 Bullet + 0.473 Audience
AC: 16 13 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 622 445 177 3.154
+ 24 Spins + 19 Bullet + 0.116 Audience
Rhythmic: 54 50 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 424 353 71 2.524
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 7:29:55 GMT -5
Roar did. 18/08 557k 25/08 392k 01/09 448k 08/09 373k 15/09 331k 22/09 301k Ehhhhh. How many consecutive massive hits did "Roar" follow again? "Shake It Off" is coming off the back of "Everything Has Changed" and "22". Not exactly a great comparison (and that's not even mentioning the competition between "Roar" and "Applause" that added to its total or the gained publicity from the "Brave" "scandal"). Either way I don't see why people are up in arms about Taylor's digital performance. She always knocks out her opponents through album sales. What was Teenage Dream's sales in relation to Red's sales again? ;) Teenage Dream sold 3 million, Red sold 4 million. I'm pretty sure Teenage Dream sold the same or more including worldwide sales. The Applause thing boosting sales is ridiculous... The "Brave" scandal might have given it minimal exposure, but Taylor has a smash video boosting it from day 1. Following massive hits would actually be a negative for Roar's longevity, as listeners already bought so much from her a year ago, while Taylor had a break after her 2 mega-hits to build hype again. I don't know what the point of this conversation was supposed to be, but there's no reason to put down Roar's accomplishments, it's the fastest selling single of the digital age...
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Post by Joe1240 on Sept 6, 2014 7:32:48 GMT -5
Nice move for the song today. Already #6 on CHR. :)
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Post by sapphire on Sept 6, 2014 8:12:06 GMT -5
Great that this is still moving fast on the airplay chart.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 6, 2014 10:46:13 GMT -5
The Applause thing boosting sales is ridiculous... Erm I don't think so. I remember there being a lot of attention brought about by their respective releases (given they were released so close together): which would people like more, which would sell more etc. Look up "Applause vs Roar" and you will find various articles that show this. Not saying it made such gigantic difference, but it heightened exposure certianly, so no, not exactly ridiculous. Don't know that I agree with this. Taylor released "Everything Has Changed" in July of last year and it played out throught the subsequent months. The time between "Everything Has Changed" and "Shake It Off" is roughly the same as the time between "Wide Awake" and "Roar". Uh, I'm not. I'm just saying it isn't the greatest comparison. Furthermore, sure Teenage Dream might have hit similar figures worldwide, but that is with like with umpteen more colossal hits than Red had. Imagine what Red would have sold, given it produced six #1 singles and a couple top #3 singles. lol
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 6, 2014 12:46:55 GMT -5
You Katy stans crack me up.The teenage dream era is over.Katys last 2 singles are flops up to Katys standards, Birthday and This is how we do.Shake it off was #1 on itunes for almost 3 weeks.It is still gaining pretty well.
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Post by pnobelysk on Sept 6, 2014 13:35:01 GMT -5
^ don't compare a 4th and 5th single to Taylor's lead single . Unfair . Katy's next lead will be. Huge too.
Anyway glad this is finally charting in RHY
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 6, 2014 15:33:25 GMT -5
^ don't compare a 4th and 5th single to Taylor's lead single . Unfair . Katy's next lead will be. Huge too. Anyway glad this is finally charting in RHY But they were comparing with Katy's first single. Anyway they were totally different artist, Katy is a single's artist and Taylor is more an album's artist. Katy has a lot of billboard number one singles and Taylor only has one. If Taylor release someday an albums wich its singles are so successful as it were the singles of Tennage dream era, the album will sold more than 10 million. Anyway, i think people here use the term flop so loosely that it lose all its sense
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 6, 2014 16:38:15 GMT -5
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Post by tommymonster44 on Sept 6, 2014 18:30:54 GMT -5
Why would a fan who has purchased the song then stream it....... I'm glad the artists hold off on putting music up for streaming. From the statistics that I've seen, they don't get s**t from streaming. That is up for debate, though. Personally, I haven't been listening to Taylors song outside of YouTube and the radio. I pay for a Spotify subscription, and it is my only source of music. I'd be curious to find out how many streaming service users simply don't listen to music that isn't included in their service rather than deciding to buy them.
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Post by kanimal on Sept 6, 2014 20:44:56 GMT -5
Why would a fan who has purchased the song then stream it....... I'm glad the artists hold off on putting music up for streaming. From the statistics that I've seen, they don't get s**t from streaming. Many people who use streaming don't maintain the physical collection of music on their device. And that's especially true with services that let you cache songs/albums from the streaming service onto your phone. That allows me to "download" virtually every new album and play it on my phone (without using WiFi or 4G) simply by having a Google Play membership. So much easier, cheaper and more convenient than buying albums on iTunes and downloading them to your phone. In this case, I did buy Shake it Off, but then matched it to my Google cloud and am effectively playing it through the streaming service. So once it becomes officially available on streaming, there's a good chance I'll end up adding that version - not the paid version - to my libraries.
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Post by Joe1240 on Sept 7, 2014 0:20:54 GMT -5
Ehhhhh. How many consecutive massive hits did "Roar" follow again? "Shake It Off" is coming off the back of "Everything Has Changed" and "22". Not exactly a great comparison (and that's not even mentioning the competition between "Roar" and "Applause" that added to its total or the gained publicity from the "Brave" "scandal"). Either way I don't see why people are up in arms about Taylor's digital performance. She always knocks out her opponents through album sales. What was Teenage Dream's sales in relation to Red's sales again? ;) Teenage Dream sold 3 million, Red sold 4 million. I'm pretty sure Teenage Dream sold the same or more including worldwide sales. The Applause thing boosting sales is ridiculous... The "Brave" scandal might have given it minimal exposure, but Taylor has a smash video boosting it from day 1. Following massive hits would actually be a negative for Roar's longevity, as listeners already bought so much from her a year ago, while Taylor had a break after her 2 mega-hits to build hype again. I don't know what the point of this conversation was supposed to be, but there's no reason to put down Roar's accomplishments, it's the fastest selling single of the digital age... Even Speak Now which came out around the same time as Teenage Dream did has sold more. Speak Now didn't even have any top 10 CHR/Pop hits and did well on the charts. It shows that Taylor can dominate with her album sales in any era. "Roar" had a lot of PR from the Gaga feud also it is coming off of many #1 singles. Look what is happening to Prism on the singles chart, After "Dark Horse", it looks like the era is slowly ending,Nothing but underperforming singles.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Sept 7, 2014 2:31:13 GMT -5
It's such a crime that IKYWT and YBWM didn't hit #1 on the Hot 100. But I'm glad she's starting to rack them up now.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 7, 2014 4:50:13 GMT -5
True, i totally forgot Shake it off (in its own thread )
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Post by neverduplicated on Sept 7, 2014 5:41:26 GMT -5
It's such a crime that IKYWT and YBWM didn't hit #1 on the Hot 100. But I'm glad she's starting to rack them up now. Agreed. IKYWT would've probably been number 1 had it been available for streaming at the time OR if Billboard had been counting Youtube views. YBWM was hurt by the fact that when it was huge on country radio, it was only just starting at pop radio, and once it was huge at pop radio, country had moved onto the next single. The song did have amazing longevity, however. What's even crazier than those two songs missing the top spot, though, is Love Story peaking at number 4. Still her best seller in the US and arguably her signature song and yet it has an underwhelming peak.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 7, 2014 6:19:55 GMT -5
POP: 10 6 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 11395 9657 1738 75.521
+229 Spins +19 Bullet +1.358 Audience
HOT AC: 8 7 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 4585 3804 781 31.398
+154 Spins +51 Bullet +0.657 Audience
AC: 14 13 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 672 468 204 3.255
+50 Spins +27 Bullet +0.101 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 53 50 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 454 360 94 2.713
+30 Spins +23 Bullet +0.189 Audience
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Post by Lahey's Lucky Star on Sept 8, 2014 9:48:55 GMT -5
Pop: 9 6 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 11662 9849 1813 77.115
+ 267 Spins + 75 Bullet + 1.594 Audience
HAC: 8 7 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 4718 3930 788 32.028
+ 133 Spins + 7 Bullet + 0.630 Audience
AC: 14 13 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 695 490 205 3.468
+ 23 Spins + 1 Bullet + 0.283 Audience
Rhythmic: 52 47 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 468 371 97 2.863
+ 14 Spins + 3 Bullet + 0.150 Audience
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