How is she “stiff”? The professional dancer behind her is “stiff” in this gif.
Her entire body, including her neck, stays straight for the entire gif. She literally just lifts her arms to flip her hair, while not moving anything else.
The professional dancer is waiting for his turn. He’s not doing choreography in the gif
I guess having good posture is called stiff these days. Is she supposed to do the Bernie dance where you lean back with loose arms during the intro? Loose as a goose! LOL
The issue is that the choreography or, rather, the movements she does when she's on her own without the dancers, simply suck. She literally serves hand movements and seizures which was cute for 2011 Britney but she's come a long way since then. I don't know if the problem is her not realising that she limits her own potential by doing that or if that's really all she has to offer but it's clear that she can do way more than that.
Agree. Maybe she does this because people say she needs to dance more so when she is standing still there in some parts this is her way of moving? But it’s OK to stand there and not do sign language sometimes. LOL
^ I think that’s exactly why she does it, plus nerves. If she cut out all those spastic movements and just stuck the moves that she is supposed to do a bit harder, it would make a world of difference.
I’m just going to say that looking good/into it and delivering a good performance are two completely different things and leave it at that. Some replies in here are aggressively negative, yes, but these performances are not above criticism.
As far as those gifs go, in the politest way possible, those aren’t really helping the case nor would .5 seconds of a performance help it in the first place.
She looks good, she looks happy, and it was at least entertaining. As a stan that’s all I can ask for to keep me happy.
My point is that even in that gif, she is showing attitude and looks INTO the performance, which was a constant criticism years ago that she was "dead in the eyes". She's not above criticism but with Britney, people are always looking to nitpick her performances in every single manner.
I see what you’re saying, but neither of those were criticisms being lobbied at her for this performance. Rather the actual performance itself was weak. A lot of that has to do with her choreographer and her team’s lack of effort in tailoring the performances to a televised audience instead of a Vegas show, though.
Really, it’s her team. They just don’t know what to do with her anymore, and frankly being an “entertainer” in 2018 leaves her in a weird position. I agree with the poster that said her team needs to take a step back and reassess how they want the public to view her.
My point is that even in that gif, she is showing attitude and looks INTO the performance, which was a constant criticism years ago that she was "dead in the eyes". She's not above criticism but with Britney, people are always looking to nitpick her performances in every single manner.
I see what you’re saying, but neither of those were criticisms being lobbied at her for this performance. Rather the actual performance itself was weak. A lot of that has to do with her choreographer and her team’s lack of effort in tailoring the performances to a televised audience instead of a Vegas show, though.
Really, it’s her team. They just don’t know what to do with her anymore, and frankly being an “entertainer” in 2018 leaves her in a weird position. I agree with the poster that said her team needs to take a step back and reassess how they want the public to view her.
I completely disagree. The WB performance was perfectly fit for TV, and flawlessly edited. Again, the expectations for Britney are always 100x more than everyone else for some reason. There was nothing wrong with either of these being televised, and they both worked for TV. If anything, I thought her team or whoever did a great job editing these for TV.
Also, why would they change the show? It was one of her last shows and it was being broadcasted on TV, not FOR TV. As in, they weren't coming up with a completely new concept performance just for one TV performance.
After everything we've been through since 2007, I seriously can't believe we're sitting here acting like these performances are 'awful'.
I'll give you this -- it was probably *too much* time to spend on her being up in the tree for Toxic, b/c there's not a whole lot she can do up there. But the tree is a huge part of the Toxic performance, and her jumping off is epic, so it's not like there was much wiggle room to do anything else.
WB though I thought was epic. And Toxic was great once the BBMA choreo kicked in. The BBMA choreo + the toss + the throwing herself on the floor was a good bit.
there's nothing to disagree with. it's a fact that we don't know if she's doing a world tour, and it's a fact that most people who watched had never even seen a clip from her Vegas show, so it IS fresh to them.
WB was pretty good. Toxic was okay. I'm not sure if stiff is the right word. She comes off rather awkward and unnatural at times. I think the choreography is part of the problem but it's also the way she executes them. Back in the day, every movement she made came off with such finesse. It didn't matter whether it was a dance break, armography, or her simply strutting across the stage, every choreographed move came off so natural and effortless. She had this sort of natural rhythm to her movements that's she lacks today. Even when she technically pulls off the move well, it doesn't off as natural or effortless. The movements are spastic and lack fluidity. She has great energy but it feels like it's not channeled well at times.
That said, she had amazing stage presence. Again, she had great energy and she's definitely more at ease on the stage then she's been in the past. She's made a lot of progress and as a fan, it's great to see how much she's improved and hopefully things go up from here.
Again, the expectations for Britney are always 100x more than everyone else for some reason.
Lmao. I love Britney, but I can’t think of another major pop star who is so routinely, gleefully celebrated for doing the bare minimum. Except for Mariah, I guess, given that meme.
Again, the expectations for Britney are always 100x more than everyone else for some reason.
Lmao. I love Britney, but I can’t think of another major pop star who is so routinely, gleefully celebrated for doing the bare minimum. Except for Mariah, I guess, given that meme.
Most other pop stars right now, maybe besides Beyonce or Gaga, DO the bare minimum. Maybe J. Lo b/c he she also pre-records vocals. Modern day pop stars though do nothing.
Lmao. I love Britney, but I can’t think of another major pop star who is so routinely, gleefully celebrated for doing the bare minimum. Except for Mariah, I guess, given that meme.
Most other pop stars right now, maybe besides Beyonce or Gaga, DO the bare minimum. Maybe J. Lo b/c he she also pre-records vocals. Modern day pop stars though do nothing.
This...doesn’t make any sense. Not as a response to me quoting you, and not as a point in general.
I’m not even suggesting that Britney, or any other pop star, does “nothing.” It’s an ignorant statement. I just don’t think there’s anything to back up your claim that expectations for Britney are 100 times greater than anyone else, because in comparison to most other pop stars, she gets a greater return on her limited investment. But she still tours, has her endorsements and perfumes and merch, philanthropic work, etc.
I’d go further with this, but you’d need to get back on the rails. Until then, I’m just wasting my own time.
Again, the expectations for Britney are always 100x more than everyone else for some reason.
Lmao. I love Britney, but I can’t think of another major pop star who is so routinely, gleefully celebrated for doing the bare minimum. Except for Mariah, I guess, given that meme.
Tell me about it. All she has to do is look good, walk across the stage, and point at shit.
People forget this girl suffered a big knee injury, went to hell and back in the last 10 years, suffers from mental illness, and y'all expect her to dance like she's 19 years old again. Please take several seats. She did great considering the lows she's been, and the spark is back in her eyes after the dead-eyes eras between Blackout and BJ. She's happy and enjoying herself once again, and I couldn't be happier for her.
I loved the WB performance....in the context of WB performances. She nailed it, but then again, she's been performing it the same way for 4 years. These kinds of events used to call for a new presentation of the songs.
I've accepted where she is during every era, and it's definitely great to see the spark and liveliness she's had with Glory and PoM, but I can't say I still don't get twinges of disappointment when these kinds of opportunities pan out this way...even taking into account her limitations of the last 10 years, the BBMA was still something that made me happy and proud to watch. This was...fine....but I would have liked to see something more than a pre-recorded performance from the Vegas show.
Also, this whole "she needs new choreographers" thing has got to go. Let's be serious, they choreograph these routines around what she's comfortable performing.
Speaking of lost gems, I put on an old playlist by mistake and "Inside Out" was the song that came on the shuffle. Entirely without flaw.
If were talking about lost gems in Britney's catalogue This is still the one I often listen to the most, I feel like this would have been a good 4th single choice over Radar as it was a good contrast to the far more upbeat songs, though I do LOVE Radar a lot.
I still often listen to Gasoline, Shattered Glass, Blur, & Toy Soldier the most of her album tracks Plus Inside Out & If I'm Dancing
I loved the WB performance....in the context of WB performances. She nailed it, but then again, she's been performing it the same way for 4 years. These kinds of events used to call for a new presentation of the songs.
I've accepted where she is during every era, and it's definitely great to see the spark and liveliness she's had with Glory and PoM, but I can't say I still don't get twinges of disappointment when these kinds of opportunities pan out this way...even taking into account her limitations of the last 10 years, the BBMA was still something that made me happy and proud to watch. This was...fine....but I would have liked to see something more than a pre-recorded performance from the Vegas show.
Also, this whole "she needs new choreographers" thing has got to go. Let's be serious, they choreograph these routines around what she's comfortable performing.
#justice4ifimdancing
"These kinds of events used to call for a new presentation of the songs"
She was recording a version of the VEGAS performance a day or two before the entire residency is over. It would be ridiculous to think her and her team are going to come up with a new performance when again... 99% of the general public have NOT seen these Vegas performances. Stans need to stop thinking that just b/c we've watched them online for 4 years that people in real life have seen them at all. To most people, these performances are completely new. She jumps off a damn tree in one of them, what else do you want?!
Also, how did these "pan out"? Most of the negative comments have come from Britney's own fans or stan forums. The press was actually pretty positive, and a lot of the tweets the night of the performances were too. Shocking that as usual, the fans are the ones that are always tearing her apart.
Not sure how this WB performance or Toxic (after getting off the tree) was anything different than the BBMAs.
Post by Heart Shaped Box on Jan 4, 2018 17:44:59 GMT -5
OMG, ARE PEOPLE COMING FOR BRITNEY IN HERE??...
I'm sorry, at 30 years old, for her to even to continue dishing out choreography for her entire song set HAS TO BE COMMENDED, especially considering all these current pop stars and EDM vocalists who get on stage and do s**t!....
Yeah, maybe she can't turn it out like she used to in her youth when her joints and elasticity were f**king "unsnapable"....but, I'm a dancer myself, and to see her continue to 5, 6, 7 her f**king songs, jazz walk herself across the stage, and still nail a double pencil turn in platform heels - I'm sorry, but the bitch is still a dancer through and through.
I'm okay with her doing the bare minimum sometimes, and even just walking and pointing, because her songs are FIRE.
So maybe possibly, your favs could read her for her choreo, but they can never have her songs or deliver them like she can.
I'm sorry, at 30 years old, for her to even to continue dishing out choreography for her entire song set HAS TO BE COMMENDED, especially considering all these current pop stars and EDM vocalists who get on stage and do s**t!....
Yeah, maybe she can't turn it out like she used to in her youth when her joints and elasticity were f**king "unsnapable"....but, I'm a dancer myself, and to see her continue to 5, 6, 7 her f**king songs, jazz walk herself across the stage, and still nail a double pencil turn in platform heels - I'm sorry, but the bitch is still a dancer through and through.
I'm okay with her doing the bare minimum sometimes, and even just walking and pointing, because her songs are FIRE.
So maybe possibly, your favs could read her for her choreo, but they can never have her songs or deliver them like she can.
You got it. Mic drop.
And I don’t understand the bare minimum comments . She isn’t doing that. She’s not just walking around and pointing the whole performances.
I'm sorry, at 30 years old, for her to even to continue dishing out choreography for her entire song set HAS TO BE COMMENDED, especially considering all these current pop stars and EDM vocalists who get on stage and do s**t!....
Yeah, maybe she can't turn it out like she used to in her youth when her joints and elasticity were f**king "unsnapable"....but, I'm a dancer myself, and to see her continue to 5, 6, 7 her f**king songs, jazz walk herself across the stage, and still nail a double pencil turn in platform heels - I'm sorry, but the bitch is still a dancer through and through.
I'm okay with her doing the bare minimum sometimes, and even just walking and pointing, because her songs are FIRE.
So maybe possibly, your favs could read her for her choreo, but they can never have her songs or deliver them like she can.
Agree! As a fellow dancer/choreographer, I think peeps who aren't have a hard time understanding this, also she has that je nes se quoi that you HAVE to be born with... which is why she can sit and swing and lip to Lucky and STILL draw peeps in...
"These kinds of events used to call for a new presentation of the songs"
She was recording a version of the VEGAS performance a day or two before the entire residency is over. It would be ridiculous to think her and her team are going to come up with a new performance when again... 99% of the general public have NOT seen these Vegas performances. Stans need to stop thinking that just b/c we've watched them online for 4 years that people in real life have seen them at all. To most people, these performances are completely new. She jumps off a damn tree in one of them, what else do you want?!
Also, how did these "pan out"? Most of the negative comments have come from Britney's own fans or stan forums. The press was actually pretty positive, and a lot of the tweets the night of the performances were too. Shocking that as usual, the fans are the ones that are always tearing her apart.
Not sure how this WB performance or Toxic (after getting off the tree) was anything different than the BBMAs.
Honey, I've seen the Vegas show FOUR times and Britney herself a total of 12...I've paid my dues (and will continue doing so, assuming she continues performing), so I will reserve the right to critique if I want and share my opinion as I see fit. Can you say the same? It's not your job to redline every negative comment in this thread.
Oh, and there was no tree with spastic gesticulating during the BBMAs. There was a well-thought-out medley of pieces of each performance seamlessly integrated together to create a cohesive 8-minute presentation of her show, including a brand-new dance break.
I think this has more to do with televised vs stage performance. The closeups and movements didn’t mix well like they would when you see her live at Vegas. We’ve seen on her social media that she is still capable of doing more. I don’t know why they didn’t try to prepare those two songs for a televised performance. She could’ve easily done that, IMO. She’s a highly capable performer still, I just think she’s gotten comfortable in the Vegas routine.
But hey, I still thoroughly enjoyed her performance and her energy! I just wish that it could’ve been... more.
"These kinds of events used to call for a new presentation of the songs"
She was recording a version of the VEGAS performance a day or two before the entire residency is over. It would be ridiculous to think her and her team are going to come up with a new performance when again... 99% of the general public have NOT seen these Vegas performances. Stans need to stop thinking that just b/c we've watched them online for 4 years that people in real life have seen them at all. To most people, these performances are completely new. She jumps off a damn tree in one of them, what else do you want?!
Also, how did these "pan out"? Most of the negative comments have come from Britney's own fans or stan forums. The press was actually pretty positive, and a lot of the tweets the night of the performances were too. Shocking that as usual, the fans are the ones that are always tearing her apart.
Not sure how this WB performance or Toxic (after getting off the tree) was anything different than the BBMAs.
Honey, I've seen the Vegas show FOUR times and Britney herself a total of 12...I've paid my dues (and will continue doing so, assuming she continues performing), so I will reserve the right to critique if I want and share my opinion as I see fit. Can you say the same? It's not your job to redline every negative comment in this thread.
Oh, and there was no tree with spastic gesticulating during the BBMAs. There was a well-thought-out medley of pieces of each performance seamlessly integrated together to create a cohesive 8-minute presentation of her show, including a brand-new dance break.
The difference for that she was there LIVE and she was crafting an entire new performance for the show, since it was a medley, adding parts of Vegas and adding new parts.
This was literally a filming FROM HER VEGAS SHOW of the VEGAS PERFORMANCES.... the DAY before the show ended. Not to mention they used parts of the actual Vegas show the night before to supplement the earlier in the day filmed footage. There is literally no reason why they would do anything different than the regular performance. People acting like she should've done an entirely new performance right when her residency was ending and the performances were "straight out of" the Vegas show... I just have no words.
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