Britney Spears: Artist Discussion

[Enigma.]

This totally reminds me of what happened to Michael Jackson's mental state from the 90s onwards. Hopefully she'll survive.

[Anticonformity]

Legit surprised and NOT surprised how no one understands mental illnesses...

[Anticonformity]

Apr 21, 2019 7:10:41 GMT -5 Codex said:

Apr 21, 2019 3:19:33 GMT -5 Anticonformity said:

Legit surprised and NOT surprised how no one understands mental illnesses...

Well then, you could enlighten us instead of getting mad. Not all of us have mental illness or family members with severe mental illness that would have made us have deeper knowledge on the topic.

I can't imagine her still having significant mental health issues in the background while never missing a single Vegas show for 5 years.

Not worth the time to write a 20 page research paper on it (which I have done) only for no one to "get it", have a snarky ass attitude about it, dismiss it, drag me, harass my inbox, diminish the many many many peeps struggling whether themselves or family members...

But I will say that there are MANY peeps with varying degrees of mental illnesses that can do many things that from the outside you'd think they were "normal" when in fact the amount of effort it took for them to do that thing or whatever would blow your mind.

A teeny background, I have the deadliest mental illness and during the worst time was working part time
while full time school (in the top of my class), while teaching dance classes, volunteering for various projects, doing an internship...
No one knew then and while I recovered no one could tell, but without going to much more on a public form, between my own therpaist, dr, etc.
I was pretty much in my own conservatorship... my parents saved my life and on the outside I'm sure things would look odd or "ZOMG HE'S NOT
ALLOWED TO MAKE A DECISION!!!!!!" but I would have been dead... I still struggle to this day and it will never go away but you /your family
your team (drs/therapy etc) have to do their best and what works to get through each day and survive.
Not only does the person with the illness suffer but trust me EVERYONE around you does and seeing the pain in a parents eyes is NOT something
I take lightly and I can see that with her own family.

So yeah there you go, but this won't matter to you anyway and I'm sure most won't care and will pass this by, but I will be an advocate for mental health till I die.
Too many suicides etc for me to not take s**t seriously and seeing everyone of these "fans" go off like this legit makes me wanna puke. The speculation/accusations/invasion of privacy is one of the most shameful things I have witnessed with Britney... from her own damn "fans".

If anyone is struggling or needs to talk etc you can dm me etc.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

What are people saying that’s wrong on Britney? Granted i haven’t read most of the posts in here so it’s certainly likely some have made some questionable posts that don’t take into account illness. I’m just curious to know in this context.

[Hefty Hanna]

my girl :(

[wavey.]

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Apr 22, 2019 0:21:29 GMT -5 Anticonformity said:

Apr 21, 2019 7:10:41 GMT -5 Codex said:

Well then, you could enlighten us instead of getting mad. Not all of us have mental illness or family members with severe mental illness that would have made us have deeper knowledge on the topic.

I can't imagine her still having significant mental health issues in the background while never missing a single Vegas show for 5 years.

Not worth the time to write a 20 page research paper on it (which I have done) only for no one to "get it", have a snarky ass attitude about it, dismiss it, drag me, harass my inbox, diminish the many many many peeps struggling whether themselves or family members...

But I will say that there are MANY peeps with varying degrees of mental illnesses that can do many things that from the outside you'd think they were "normal" when in fact the amount of effort it took for them to do that thing or whatever would blow your mind.

A teeny background, I have the deadliest mental illness and during the worst time was working part time
while full time school (in the top of my class), while teaching dance classes, volunteering for various projects, doing an internship...
No one knew then and while I recovered no one could tell, but without going to much more on a public form, between my own therpaist, dr, etc.
I was pretty much in my own conservatorship... my parents saved my life and on the outside I'm sure things would look odd or "ZOMG HE'S NOT
ALLOWED TO MAKE A DECISION!!!!!!" but I would have been dead... I still struggle to this day and it will never go away but you /your family
your team (drs/therapy etc) have to do their best and what works to get through each day and survive.
Not only does the person with the illness suffer but trust me EVERYONE around you does and seeing the pain in a parents eyes is NOT something
I take lightly and I can see that with her own family.

So yeah there you go, but this won't matter to you anyway and I'm sure most won't care and will pass this by, but I will be an advocate for mental health till I die.
Too many suicides etc for me to not take s**t seriously and seeing everyone of these "fans" go off like this legit makes me wanna puke. The speculation/accusations/invasion of privacy is one of the most shameful things I have witnessed with Britney... from her own damn "fans".

If anyone is struggling or needs to talk etc you can dm me etc.

Thank you for sharing this, everyone should read it. You never have any idea what people are going through, and tons of people with varying degrees of mental illness fully function in society every day. And, sure Britney carried out several extensive tours without any cancellations -- but how many stories did we hear about weird meet-and-greets, and how many inexplicably awkward interviews have we seen?

Whatever is going on in Britney's world -- whether it's her health, management, family -- something clearly isn't right. I can't help but wonder if this increased speculation and attention is exactly the opposite of what Britney would want.

As a fan it's really hard to know how to feel. I guess it's just best for us to pray for her .

[Anticonformity]

Apr 22, 2019 4:44:50 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

What are people saying that’s wrong on Britney? Granted i haven’t read most of the posts in here so it’s certainly likely some have made some questionable posts that don’t take into account illness. I’m just curious to know in this context.

Don't want to speculate anymore than needed, but it would seem from what I can tell as an outside but with knowledge of mental illnesses is bipolar disorder (probably 2).
But that is just my opinion and I don't like to make assumptions, but wanted to give you some context...
Mental illnesses can cause peeps to comply with the medication, but then either everything seems great so your
like why am i taking these and then you spiral and/or you start to "rebel" cause the voice/voices of the illness
are telling you lies like "your family/team doesn't know best, they think your crazy, no need to take the medication"

Something that's not pretty to think about but it's true, when you have a mental illness you can be manipulative etc.
so it looks like your team/family is coming down harder on you, when in reality your the one who is bending the
rules set in place to protect you (example: driving when your not supposed to, not going to therapy sessions) so it
makes them seem controlling when in reality they are doing everything they can to keep you alive.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Apr 22, 2019 14:11:01 GMT -5 Anticonformity said:

Apr 22, 2019 4:44:50 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

What are people saying that’s wrong on Britney? Granted i haven’t read most of the posts in here so it’s certainly likely some have made some questionable posts that don’t take into account illness. I’m just curious to know in this context.

Don't want to speculate anymore than needed, but it would seem from what I can tell as an outside but with knowledge of mental illnesses is bipolar disorder (probably 2).
But that is just my opinion and I don't like to make assumptions, but wanted to give you some context...
Mental illnesses can cause peeps to comply with the medication, but then either everything seems great so your
like why am i taking these and then you spiral and/or you start to "rebel" cause the voice/voices of the illness
are telling you lies like "your family/team doesn't know best, they think your crazy, no need to take the medication"

Something that's not pretty to think about but it's true, when you have a mental illness you can be manipulative etc.
so it looks like your team/family is coming down harder on you, when in reality your the one who is bending the
rules set in place to protect you (example: driving when your not supposed to, not going to therapy sessions) so it
makes them seem controlling when in reality they are doing everything they can to keep you alive.

Possibly yeah. It's entirely possible this applies to Britney. All we can really do is speculate anyway based on what little we know and granted, it's not really our business I guess. I've just gotten a vibe over the years that Britney herself isn't interested in pursuing the pop star career she's become built on.

[Marooned@Midnight]

My number one concern with regard to this situation is Britney staying alive. I think the arguments regarding her meds and her willingness to take them could certainly be valid given my limited personal experience with loved ones and mental health issues. I think her fans think they are helping with the “free Britney” movement, but what if they are really aiding her in her own demise? That’s grim, but there are clearly very real mental health issues present. How would these fans feel if she becomes the next Amy Winehouse, Chester Bennington, Kurt Cobain, the list goes on and on. At the same time, if there is even the slightest chance that she is being held hostage by her family and her fame, there should be this sense of outrage. There are no easy answers.

Things haven’t been this bad since 2007 and I was hoping to never see times like this again as a Britney fan. I still go back to, whatever worked then worked for over ten years. People can complain all they want about her dance moves or her eyes, but she was generally, objectively, very happy and healthy over this time period. There’s something to that.

[Juanca]

I just saw the pics of her in a red dress leaving a facility... are those real pictures?! So troubling. Whatever’s happening...

[Anticonformity]

Queen Jamie Lynn stating what I've pretty much said all along

#LeaveTheSpearsFamilyAlone

http://instagram.com/p/BwlVlAjg4tq

[Hefty Hanna]

The one thing I’m not about to do is sit here and act as though Jamie Lynn has not been happily enjoying Brit’s coin through the conservatorship and taking advantage of a very off situation.

[It's me, bitch.]

This is what I see happening. Just my perception. I think after giving birth she developed some sort of mental illness from her body changing. It happens with millions of women. I do know once a mental illness is triggered and starts it never completely goes away. With proper treatment in a variety of ways it goes on the back burner. She probably couldn’t handle it properly being in the spotlight and in a failing marriage, which led to her first break down. I do think that her dad probably helped at that time, but after she got back on track it turned into personal control issues. Maybe the power got to his head? Maybe she needed more support than she thought? The truth is no one really knows but her and I am hoping for the best.

[Anticonformity]

www.mentalhealth.gov/basics/mental-health-myths-facts

www.nami.org/learn-more/mental-health-by-the-numbers

Before anyone goes any further...

basic facts not speculation!

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It's hard to decode the situation and there isn't an easy solution regardless of what anyone wants to believe because none of us know the specifics. In 2007, when Britney was clearly out of control, stans desperately wanted someone to step in and get her together and Jamie/the conservatorship seemed to do that. People were rejoicing at the time, and because Britney had done so much of her own public deconstruction from 2005-2007 with the media basically invited to her life and constant whereabouts, it would have been impossible for her to leave a peaceful life in the years following. In her BJ documentary, she said that she basically didn't leave the house for like 2 years after the fact, and it sounds cruel to have someone forced to stay in BUT I can also see how it was actually for her benefit to cut off the world's access to her and force her to be more private.

Britney was strongly against the conservatorship when she was at the height of her breakdown, and as harsh as it sounds I know most stans can at least acknowledge that it was in her best interest that she was not given the deciding choice at that time. The catch 22 now though is that she has seemed the most confident she has in YEARS recently, 2016-2017 Britney was as close to a return to form as she was maybe around the Circus era, where she didn't look heavily sedated at all. It wouldn't be surprising that she now decided to take full control of her life seeing how she's been in recent years, but depending on what her diagnosis was (if there even is one), it also isn't suprising that her team would be apprehensive because someone could be up one minute and down the next.

I have a relative who is on medication for bipolar/schiz, and is the most functional on meds but once she stops taking them she gets extremely irrational and has harmful cognitive functions when she's off them, and the most frustrating thing is trying to do the best thing for someone when they are not capable of doing so. You can't control someone's life at the end of the day, but if they are a danger to themselves sometimes there isn't a choice and you have to be the bad guy. That's just my own family experience though and why I'm not going to going to rush to assumptions here.... it seems so wrong for any of this to even be discussed because this is Britney's private health and we really don't have any solid knowledge or confirmation about any potential conditions she has (and we shouldn't).

Team Britney kept a tight lid on this for over 2 months it seems, and I kinda wish the lid never blew off because it drudges up all this old **** in the media that they've worked so hard to leave a distant memory.

[Taylor.]

In other news...

[It's me, bitch.]

http://instagram.com/p/BwnqpG5g7qn

[Caviar]

Good for her.

[Choco]

I hope she's alright.

[Eqbk]

Wow, I can't believe Britney (or her team) actually went there and addressed Sam Lufti directly. No alluding, no hinting, just named him and called him out on his lies. Whatever their intentions, the fans that decided to contact him were gross for doing so and completely crossed the line. It was really off-putting. I'm not sure what to think since there are some things that still don't add up or seem right. I still side-eye some of the people around her but do hope she is okay. I hope she is able to find peace, happiness, or whatever it is she is seeking.

[wavey.]

The video was hella forced. She just needs to handle what she needs to handle off of media.

[Anticonformity]

I am so glad she did this...

Having to even do it is disgusting ("fans"/THAT podcast are to not be forgiven)
but the fact she did it while going through a ton of shit... she is a bad bitch!

As always, much love and privacy to her, her family and team...

Mental health (should) ALWAYS comes first...

[Kishi KCM]

Britney has a right to privacy and self-care. i think she should take time away from the spotlight. She's worked a lot throughout her career and owes it to herself and the children to take time off.

[Anticonformity]

Maybe SOMETHING good will come out of everyone (well ok not EVERYONE!) acting like trash and start brushing up on at
least, you know, the basics of what it's like to live with a mental illness, to take care of someone with one, etc.
and then add this BS/spotlight on it all...

I'm really hoping she takes the rest of the year to get better and just comes back when things are good...
Maybe it's less maybe it's more...
Many times you and or your team think your ready and then realize oh shit I/you/we weren't and you learn
(I'm talking the 2008-2012 timeline for her case)
Remember we are all human, we all make mistakes, have flaws, etc...

Again, if you have a mental illness and you are being treated, to the outside world ANYONE can look like
ZOMG THEY ARE BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO SAY ACT ETC
When in reality it's life saving care...

You think it's odd for someone to have to worry about their blood sugar, plan their days around it,
take meds, bloodwork etc.?
Cancer treatment? (can't work due to chemo, being out of it for days at a time, etc.)

Mental health problems are more serious in most cases than physical ones, don't understand why we haven't come far to realize this.
Please take care of yourselves and have some empathy for those you may have thought were "just crazy" or "being forced" into any kind of treatment...

[Keelzit]

Apr 23, 2019 21:47:59 GMT -5 wavey. said:

The video was hella forced. She just needs to handle what she needs to handle off of media.

At this point she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. If she didn't address the situation we'd be like 'oh her team is silencing her' but now that she did 'it's forced'. Can we please let her be?

She flat out said she's taking care of herself so for once, let's leave all the conspiracies behind and trust her words for what they are. The only thing strange about the caption is the mention of Sam Lutfi. I didn't know the 'leaked' emails were that much talked about that needed to be debunked. lol I'd expect a mention of the #freeBritney thing but I'll take what I can get.

[wavey.]

I'll take her word obviously, I just had my thoughts, just like anyone else would, based on her look in the video. I'm just wishing her positivity and peace.

[Choco]

Britney always looks a bit robotic. That's been the case since 2007/2008. I don't buy the "it's forced" thing because the entire family and even her boyfriend are all saying the same thing "we're OK, she's OK, but we're struggling with some personal shit and need some privacy".

I was shocked they addressed Lufti by name. That was such a mess back in the day.

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The recent video looks like all the videos she posted late last year, nothing really odd about it imo. Cuecardney has been a thing for years. The only thing 'forced' was the fact that the mass hysteria of fans which included attacking her sister, family and contacting Sam Lufti literally forced Britney to have to take time out of her day to address this ****. No-one knows her situation enough to speak on it, and her fans' entitlement and need for constant involvement in her personal life is really disturbing. I think there was legit concern initially, but creating and fueling a movement on nothing but rumors and spreading that **** to the media is really embarassing, I imagine for her too.

[Choco]

I mean I don't think most fans are doing this with bad intentions, but they really should just leave her alone. The idea that her dad would do anything to harm her after he literally saved her life a decade ago is crazy to me.