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Post by renfield75 on Mar 11, 2015 16:41:16 GMT -5
Maybe the record-setting 86.7% second week drop MDNA experienced is why Madonna's doing the bulk of her promo next week. Maybe sacrificing another #1 album was worth it to her to not drop so hard the second week again? Or nah...
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Post by HoldTight on Mar 11, 2015 16:46:54 GMT -5
She couldn't do Ellen this week because of all the other promo.
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Post by ILLUSION on Mar 11, 2015 17:33:16 GMT -5
Wow. I can't believe Madonna is only going to sell 100k. Could this be the first week that the artist with the most album sales doesn't go #1?
I still think she'll be able to pull off #1 though. I refuse to believe that 100k people are going to buy/stream the Empire Soundtrack. That is all.
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Post by kanimal on Mar 11, 2015 17:34:03 GMT -5
The wildcard is going to be which songs are featured (and how they're featured) in tonight's "Empire" (I try to avoid spoilers for stuff like this). "Conqueror" and "You're So Beautiful" were positioned PERFECTLY last week, and they had monster sales weeks - way better than anything previously on the show.
I'm pretty sure you'd have gotten 20K in TEA from those two songs alone last week (especially with the 8 million different versions of You're So Beautiful out there). If anything pops like that this week, you're going to have an extra TEA boost on top of the holdover track & streaming success that everyone already knows is there.
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Post by felipe on Mar 11, 2015 17:34:40 GMT -5
To top 6 figures when you don't have a hit song on the radio and don't have that huge concert bundle like last time is still fine. Not getting this "only" stuff. This album isn't relevant to anyone outside of Madonna's fans. Really people should be thankful she's even doing this much. That's what I get as well. This album is just not relevant for people who are not her fans already. She's able to push 100k copies, which means she still has a large fanbase though.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 11, 2015 17:43:34 GMT -5
I'm perched.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Mar 11, 2015 17:47:04 GMT -5
The wildcard is going to be which songs are featured (and how they're featured) in tonight's "Empire" (I try to avoid spoilers for stuff like this). "Conqueror" and "You're So Beautiful" were positioned PERFECTLY last week, and they had monster sales weeks - way better than anything previously on the show. I'm pretty sure you'd have gotten 20K in TEA from those two songs alone last week (especially with the 8 million different versions of You're So Beautiful out there). If anything pops like that this week, you're going to have an extra TEA boost on top of the holdover track & streaming success that everyone already knows is there. 2 songs on the Soundtrack are featured tonight, both containing vocals from big stars.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 11, 2015 17:48:05 GMT -5
To top 6 figures when you don't have a hit song on the radio and don't have that huge concert bundle like last time is still fine. Not getting this "only" stuff. This album isn't relevant to anyone outside of Madonna's fans. Really people should be thankful she's even doing this much. That's what I get as well. This album is just not relevant for people who are not her fans already. She's able to push 100k copies, which means she still has a large fanbase though. That is pretty much the case for any long established actβ¦the only way you get non hardcore fans after a while is if you have a song getting tons of radio or some other promotion that perks someones interest. People establish set opinions after an artist has been around more than 6 or 7 years.
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Post by Rican@ on Mar 11, 2015 18:14:29 GMT -5
Rooting for the Empire soundtrack, there are some jams on it.
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 11, 2015 18:49:48 GMT -5
The wildcard is going to be which songs are featured (and how they're featured) in tonight's "Empire" (I try to avoid spoilers for stuff like this). "Conqueror" and "You're So Beautiful" were positioned PERFECTLY last week, and they had monster sales weeks - way better than anything previously on the show. I'm pretty sure you'd have gotten 20K in TEA from those two songs alone last week (especially with the 8 million different versions of You're So Beautiful out there). If anything pops like that this week, you're going to have an extra TEA boost on top of the holdover track & streaming success that everyone already knows is there. 2 songs on the Soundtrack are featured tonight, both containing vocals from big stars. tracks are available individually right? If Empire blocks her, it won't be the 1st time a soundtrack blocked an amazing Madonna album.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Mar 11, 2015 19:12:14 GMT -5
This going to be a nail biter. I have a feeling that both albums will sell over 125k by next week.
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20β21 on Mar 11, 2015 20:14:27 GMT -5
and she had EVERY right to since the damn thing was leaking like Niagara Falls! Leaks are 99% marketing ploys, just like they were in the early 2000s when albums would suddenly see their street dates pushed up in response to "leaks" But who would actually leak all of the demos and unfinished versions of their album tracks 3 months before the album comes out? One or two songs maybe, but not the whole thing. And then the completed, finished album an entire month before it officially is released?
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Post by HoldTight on Mar 11, 2015 20:20:38 GMT -5
Leaks are 99% marketing ploys, just like they were in the early 2000s when albums would suddenly see their street dates pushed up in response to "leaks" But who would actually leak all of the demos and unfinished versions of their album tracks 3 months before the album comes out? One or two songs maybe, but not the whole thing. And then the completed, finished album an entire month before it officially is released? And again, the man who leaked it was arrested.
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20β21 on Mar 11, 2015 20:23:29 GMT -5
But who would actually leak all of the demos and unfinished versions of their album tracks 3 months before the album comes out? One or two songs maybe, but not the whole thing. And then the completed, finished album an entire month before it officially is released? And again, the man who leaked it was arrested. Exactly. However, some of the industry people I communicate with think that the person arrested was someone that was paid to play the role of the leaker because they themselves didn't know and it's possible that someone in her camp or the label sabotaged her on purpose.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 11, 2015 20:42:38 GMT -5
And last I heard, Luke Bryan has no preorder sales so she should have a major advantage. Fingers crossed. I keep reading this thing about pre-order sales and Madonna having that extra advantage because of them. Are preorder sales not included in predictions for first-week sales or something? It seems pretty ridiculous to not include the only sure-bet available for numbers. 100k for Madonna with no hit single, no huge hype (like Superbowl) and considering her long career, is far from disappointing imo. Celine and Mariah even opened with less than 100k with their last albums. And Britney? With a top 15 hit and after a successful era, her last album barely opened with 100k. You can easily make the comparison to others who had much less promo and name recognition selling more with the tag line "is very disappointing imo." I'd say the only real thing in her defence is the mass album leaks, which I personally don't believe was a marketing ploy. Either way, no point in doing coulda-woulda-ifs. But to do *one* 'if', if anything, this might make her stans a bit more humble, lest they decide to return to the past of course.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Mar 11, 2015 20:57:06 GMT -5
Most Madonna "stans" have been humble since the "American Life" era though.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 11, 2015 21:34:31 GMT -5
Nothing to be arrogant or humble aboutβ¦most fans are getting what they want which is a good album. Madonna has had non number 1 albums, so worse case scenario the woman with the most top 10 singles and 9 number 1 albums has to settle for a #2 like she did with ROL. Things could be worse LOL.
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 11, 2015 21:58:55 GMT -5
So Empire already aired on the east coast, any substantial movement on Itunes. My computer is out for repairs.
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Post by HoldTight on Mar 11, 2015 23:38:31 GMT -5
And last I heard, Luke Bryan has no preorder sales so she should have a major advantage. Fingers crossed. I keep reading this thing about pre-order sales and Madonna having that extra advantage because of them. Are preorder sales not included in predictions for first-week sales or something? It seems pretty ridiculous to not include the only sure-bet available for numbers. 100k for Madonna with no hit single, no huge hype (like Superbowl) and considering her long career, is far from disappointing imo. Celine and Mariah even opened with less than 100k with their last albums. And Britney? With a top 15 hit and after a successful era, her last album barely opened with 100k. You can easily make the comparison to others who had much less promo and name recognition selling more with the tag line "is very disappointing imo." I'd say the only real thing in her defence is the mass album leaks, which I personally don't believe was a marketing ploy. Either way, no point in doing coulda-woulda-ifs. But to do *one* 'if', if anything, this might make her stans a bit more humble, lest they decide to return to the past of course. Why would this be humbling? Madonna is 56 and put out her first record over 32 years ago. She already had unprecented longevity and consistency, and everyone falls off eventually. Assuming RH completely tanks, it will have taken her over three decades to have a studio album miss Gold. The fact that Britney, Celine and Mariah "have much less name recognition" is precisely the point. And less promo? Madonna had *one* televised performance in the US before release, several weeks ago.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Mar 12, 2015 0:02:58 GMT -5
Don't kill me for saying this but...
I am not surprised by Madonna's numbers. Acts such as Madonna, Mariah Carey and Britney Spears have been in commercial decline over the years, and their recent singles weren't very successful.
That said, I also want Maddie to be #1.
This thread will be very interesting...
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Post by HailTheConquerer on Mar 12, 2015 0:07:17 GMT -5
So Empire already aired on the east coast, any substantial movement on Itunes. My computer is out for repairs. still at #2.
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Post by HailTheConquerer on Mar 12, 2015 0:39:50 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that Madonna's team knowing the situation with the tight race isn't going to do something about it, they have about 5 more days still to get something done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 0:59:45 GMT -5
YAS CIVIL RIGHTS THAT SOME ARE AGAINST ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EMPIRE!!!!! BRILLIANT
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Post by manuaway on Mar 12, 2015 4:20:45 GMT -5
Madonna had much huge advantages than other competitors. She's got total 4 weeks of worldwide big banner advertisement on iTunes main page and almost 3 months of pre-order. Other than that, performances on Grammy and Brit awards before album release. Plus, another album/ticket bundles since MDNA album. These are all unusual way to manipulate and inflate first week sales. She is so obsessed with debuting at #1.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 12, 2015 4:30:15 GMT -5
Madonna had much huge advantages than other competitors. She's got total 4 weeks of worldwide big banner advertisement on iTunes main page and almost 3 months of pre-order. Other than that, performances on Grammy and Brit awards before album release. Plus, another album/ticket bundles since MDNA album. These are all unusual way to manipulate and inflate first week sales. She is so obsessed with debuting at #1. Oh pleaseβ¦.she is doing what most artist that can garner attention and have a big enough name do. It is a business so of course she is going to promote her album. No one remembers December anymore so that is irrelevant and the Brits don't help her in the USA. Matter of fact the Grammys were weeks ago and in this ADD nation it is gone and forgotten.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 12, 2015 4:34:40 GMT -5
YAS CIVIL RIGHTS THAT SOME ARE AGAINST ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EMPIRE!!!!! BRILLIANT How did civil rights get diminished so much as to be discussed in a album sales thread? LMAO
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Mar 12, 2015 8:45:04 GMT -5
Hopefully Madonna pulls through. Shame the "Ellen" promo isn't happening this week. To the person who mentioned "Britney Jean": Britney did almost zilch promo that week. If she actually gave a damn for her era outside of Vegas, she could have done 150K-200K. That album was essentially a way to cash in on the Vegas show announcement publicity, as soon as the album dropped they moved very quickly from it. I honestly don't think they ever intended to fully promote it
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Mar 12, 2015 9:04:31 GMT -5
YAS CIVIL RIGHTS THAT SOME ARE AGAINST ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EMPIRE!!!!! BRILLIANT How did civil rights get diminished so much as to be discussed in a album sales thread? LMAO I don't know ask Madonna...
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Post by Oprah on Mar 12, 2015 9:09:58 GMT -5
This isn't much of a drop considering something like 180k of MDNA's first week was from that tour ticket package scheme. Madonna is pushing 60 and has been around since before Gorbachev so for her to pull six figures with an album like this is pretty impressive to me.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 12, 2015 9:13:54 GMT -5
lmao! I thought this was the Madonna album thread for a second. Phew!
How will Kelly's second week look?
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