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Post by Green Baron on Apr 8, 2015 21:57:58 GMT -5
But Jack Johnson didn't, so they both can't share that achievement.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Apr 8, 2015 21:59:18 GMT -5
Both Jack Johnson and Metallica went top 10 on Alt in 2008. Bartender Song wasn't really a country song. It pretty much had a different version/mix for every format. My favourite was the Tropical Latin mix, "Sittin' At El Baro Drinkin' El Corona With Me Amigo" Ft. Marc Anthony I think that Rehab song was a mix of country, acoustic rock and rap.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Apr 8, 2015 21:59:55 GMT -5
But Jack Johnson didn't, so they both can't share that achievement. I said Disturbed and Metallica (they did both reach top 5) just that Pipa replaced Disturbed with Jack Johnson
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Apr 8, 2015 22:03:17 GMT -5
I think that's what I miss most about in the past on Alternative. The variety has lessened and you used to hear so many different artists on the chart as the format allowed anything rock-related. You almost never knew what to expect next. Agreed 1000%. It was always exciting trying to predict what would smash and what wouldn't. These days, the chart is way too predictable, and if a heavy(er) song does well, that's the only real shocker.
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Post by Cody on Apr 8, 2015 22:03:32 GMT -5
I liked "Bartender Song", but my favourite of Rehab's was the next album's lead single "Welcome Home". It was a flop, but it did briefly go top 40 on mediabase active according to Shadows in the DarkTop 40 on Active: 42 40 REHAB Welcome Home 132 133 -1 0.452
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Post by Cody on Apr 8, 2015 22:07:21 GMT -5
I think that's what I miss most about in the past on Alternative. The variety has lessened and you used to hear so many different artists on the chart as the format allowed anything rock-related. You almost never knew what to expect next. Agreed 1000%. It was always exciting trying to predict what would smash and what wouldn't. These days, the chart is way too predictable, and if a heavy(er) song does well, that's the only real shocker. I think that's what I miss most about in the past on Alternative. The variety has lessened and you used to hear so many different artists on the chart as the format allowed anything rock-related. You almost never knew what to expect next. I'd be perfectly happy to go back to that, but without the indie songs and actual alternative songs getting denied airplay because it was for some reason necessary to play the living hell out of Hinder, Buckcherry, (post-14 Shades) Staind, Nickelback, Theory Of A Deadman, Hinder, Saving Abel, Puddle Of Mudd, Disturbed, etc on Alternative.
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Post by Green Baron on Apr 8, 2015 22:09:00 GMT -5
insert code here Indie songs weren't completely denied. Manchester Orchestra, Bravery, Carolina Liar, Ludo, Airborne Toxic Event, Killers, SSPU, etc. all had hits in 2008.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Apr 8, 2015 22:11:08 GMT -5
Agreed 1000%. It was always exciting trying to predict what would smash and what wouldn't. These days, the chart is way too predictable, and if a heavy(er) song does well, that's the only real shocker. I think that's what I miss most about in the past on Alternative. The variety has lessened and you used to hear so many different artists on the chart as the format allowed anything rock-related. You almost never knew what to expect next. I'd be perfectly happy to go back to that, but without the indie songs and actual alternative songs getting denied airplay because it was for some reason necessary to play the living hell out of Hinder, Buckcherry, (post-14 Shades) Staind, Nickelback, Theory Of A Deadman, Hinder, Saving Abel, Puddle Of Mudd, Disturbed, etc on Alternative. Isn't Puddle of Mudd a core act (or Group B as you said in the Something Different thread)? Or are they Group C? As for Staind and Nickelback (remember How You Remind Me was a huge hit) in general, would they be Group C or B? But that said, agreed with your comment.
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Post by Lordef†ones on Apr 8, 2015 22:11:52 GMT -5
I totally wouldn't mind Deftones smashing on Alt again but I also wouldn't want newer Alt acts such as Lorde to get pushed out too. Lorde and Deftones smashing on Alt in the same year? I'd die happy.
If there was a meet-in-the-middle year where the alt-metal of yore(Deftones, Tool, aforementioned bands) and the new breed of talent(Lorde, Awolnation, Muse) could all be pulling top 10 hits, that'd be sweet. Maybe it could be this year or next year? What with new Deftones and Tool slated for the latter half of this year and Alt leaning towards more heavier stuff getting higher on the chart it's possible.
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Post by Green Baron on Apr 8, 2015 22:12:17 GMT -5
I think that's what I miss most about in the past on Alternative. The variety has lessened and you used to hear so many different artists on the chart as the format allowed anything rock-related. You almost never knew what to expect next. (post-14 Shades) Staind. 36 shades too less
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Post by Cody on Apr 8, 2015 22:19:00 GMT -5
It's not all about 2008...think more from 2003ish-2010. And besides, one hit means nothing. White Lies, Glasvegas, The Stills, Metric (pre-Fantasies) to name a few indie acts, and most of the pop punk acts were shunned. And even most of the indie bands (and some pop punk ones) that did get some play only got 1 or 2 singles in per album (Franz Ferdinand, Interpol, Metric, The Hives, KoL when "The Bucket" charted, etc), while random post grunge would go 4/5 deep on alternative.
Freakin' Saving Abel had 2 top 10s AND a 3rd appearance from ONE album. Saving Abel...one of the least alternative acts in the history of the alternative chart...one of the most generic bands on this end of the millennium.
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Post by Cody on Apr 8, 2015 22:24:00 GMT -5
I totally wouldn't mind Deftones smashing on Alt again but I also wouldn't want newer Alt acts such as Lorde to get pushed out too. Lorde and Deftones smashing on Alt in the same year? I'd die happy. If there was a meet-in-the-middle year where the alt-metal of yore(Deftones, Tool, aforementioned bands) and the new breed of talent(Lorde, Awolnation, Muse) could all be pulling top 10 hits, that'd be sweet. Maybe it could be this year or next year? What with new Deftones and Tool slated for the latter half of this year and Alt leaning towards more heavier stuff getting higher on the chart it's possible. There's room for active leaning stuff like Deftones, Chevelle, Tool, 2005-2008 Avenged Sevenfold, 2003-2008 Breaking Benjamin, Pre-"Right Here" Staind, Seether (they are the most traditional 'grungy' of the post-grunge bands), Linkin Park, Gontier-Three Days Grace, The Better Life-era 3DD, and Finger Eleven on alternative methinks.
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Post by Troy on Apr 9, 2015 0:12:11 GMT -5
98-02 were mostly awful...03 had Hot Hot Heat, White Stripes & Electric 6, but not till the triple-treat of The Killers, Modest Mouse & Franz Ferdinand hit huge in 2004 did Alternative start to sound fresh again...yes, there was still post-grunge crap lingering past 04 but that's when things started improving
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Apr 9, 2015 0:13:05 GMT -5
Take Me Out is a classic.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 9, 2015 10:26:06 GMT -5
Sorry to bump this again,but a gentle reminder that 2008 also allowed Metallica and Disturbed to reach top 5 and a country song (Bartender Song) almost went top 10. But from what I've heard from 2008 so far, it still was a good year. Wouldn't really call it a straight-up country song, per se - it did seem like an outly to chart that year but country/Southern rock doesn't necessarily equate to a country song, because by that logic Kid Rock's "All Summer Long" and "First Kiss" are also country songs (though granted he did have a decent chart run at country radio the same year with the former).
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Post by Green Baron on Apr 9, 2015 10:36:35 GMT -5
98-02 were mostly awful...03 had Hot Hot Heat, White Stripes & Electric 6, but not till the triple-treat of The Killers, Modest Mouse & Franz Ferdinand hit huge in 2004 did Alternative start to sound fresh again...yes, there was still post-grunge crap lingering past 04 but that's when things started improving I'll also disagree here a bit, especially for '98, which gave us many classic 90's alt songs like One Headlight, Closing Time, You Get What You Give, The Freshmen, Iris, Bittersweet Symphony, Inside Out, How's It Going to Be, Jumper, Clumsy and Brick.
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Post by H. on Apr 9, 2015 10:51:59 GMT -5
I miss the good ole days when the Alt charts were dominated by U2, REM, The Cure & Depeche Mode Clearly I'm in the minority (at least on these boards) I liek all four of those acts too, but like Green Baron said the others weren't that great.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 9, 2015 11:04:23 GMT -5
98-02 were mostly awful...03 had Hot Hot Heat, White Stripes & Electric 6, but not till the triple-treat of The Killers, Modest Mouse & Franz Ferdinand hit huge in 2004 did Alternative start to sound fresh again...yes, there was still post-grunge crap lingering past 04 but that's when things started improving I'll also disagree here a bit, especially for '98, which gave us many classic 90's alt songs like One Headlight, Closing Time, You Get What You Give, The Freshmen, Iris, Bittersweet Symphony, Inside Out, How's It Going to Be, Jumper, Clumsy and Brick. Yeah I'm cool with '97-'99. I know a fair amount of people who dislike those years but tbh I'm a sucker for catchy alternapop.
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Post by Lordef†ones on Apr 9, 2015 11:07:49 GMT -5
98-02 were mostly awful...03 had Hot Hot Heat, White Stripes & Electric 6, but not till the triple-treat of The Killers, Modest Mouse & Franz Ferdinand hit huge in 2004 did Alternative start to sound fresh again...yes, there was still post-grunge crap lingering past 04 but that's when things started improving '00 was a solid year with fantastic hits such as Change(In the House of Flies), Judith, Take a Picture, Hemorrhage, Pardon Me, and more. There wasn't much that went Top 5 that year that I disliked(thank you timmierz for the sporcle refresher.)
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Post by Green Baron on Apr 9, 2015 11:14:24 GMT -5
I'll also disagree here a bit, especially for '98, which gave us many classic 90's alt songs like One Headlight, Closing Time, You Get What You Give, The Freshmen, Iris, Bittersweet Symphony, Inside Out, How's It Going to Be, Jumper, Clumsy and Brick. Yeah I'm cool with '97-'99. I know a fair amount of people who dislike those years but tbh I'm a sucker for catchy alternapop. If anything, it's sort of like the current Alt phase, with post-grunge and other rock taking a back seat while softer songs were thrust into the spotlight.
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Post by Cody on Apr 9, 2015 11:49:23 GMT -5
97-99 were perfect.
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Post by RickBeatz on Apr 9, 2015 13:22:49 GMT -5
My Own Worst Enemy, One, All Star, The Chemicals Between Us, Semi-Charmed Life, Iris, Closing Time, Praise You, Everything to Everyone, Never There, The Way, What It's Like, Shimmer, Everlong, All The Small Thing and so many gems from the late 90s, awesome years for Alt. :')
Most of these bands were shafted after 2000/01 on the format. :/ Semi-Charmed Life gets heavy recurrent airplay, I hear it everyday on the radio.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Apr 22, 2015 10:35:04 GMT -5
Hey
Billboard Mainstream Rock - 5/2
35 New 1 Psycho - Muse
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Apr 23, 2015 6:05:40 GMT -5
Top 40 on Active:
44 40 MUSE Psycho 156 150 6 0.385
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Post by solinvictus on Apr 25, 2015 22:15:25 GMT -5
Awful song. Nothing remotely interesting or good about it. If another band had made this, it would be completely ignored, so should this. Muse finished with Black Holes IMO.
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Post by Cody on Apr 26, 2015 12:50:22 GMT -5
Awful song. Nothing remotely interesting or good about it. If another band had made this, it would be completely ignored, so should this. Muse finished with Black Holes IMO. We're all entitled to our own opinions, but there's something wrong when your opinion contradicts fact. Muse has little to no active cred whatsoever, yet this buzz single is charting and rising on active. Muse are more or less nobodies on that format, and this certainly isn't being ignored...
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Post by Web on Apr 26, 2015 12:59:14 GMT -5
^though I agree with you partially, I think this (and to a lesser extent "Dead Inside") charting are more of a product of Active desperate to connect to current radio listeners by playing some of the heavier Alternative acts as opposed to the format playing both songs based on quality alone.
Dead Inside doesn't sound like an active track at all. It's charting for the same reason Cigarette Daydreams charted.
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