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Post by ry4n on Jun 25, 2015 0:10:45 GMT -5
Unless it's something like "Cruise" which peaked at #38 in Canada lol. Or "Trap Queen" peaking at #12.
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Post by lyhom on Jun 25, 2015 0:14:22 GMT -5
to be fair "Cruise" (and stuff like "Animals" and "Sweater Weather") went recurrent before their pop success, and for some reason despite those songs having enough to re-enter with the US rules, for some reason Billboard never allowed them to chart again in canada
(also somehow "Cruise" spent 30 weeks on the chart in canada anyways despite peaking at #38 lmao)
"Trap Queen" is probably just Canada having like one rhythmic station and no urban stations at most lmao
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Post by kanimal on Jun 25, 2015 0:14:24 GMT -5
So does anyone think Madonna and Nicki Minaj has a chance of charting in the Hot 100 this week with their tune? Or is it like Public Enemy once warned us to "Don't Believe the Hype"? Debuted at #84 according to info going around. #84 was confirmed by Billboard's Gary Trust. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 0:17:41 GMT -5
Also Im pretty sure Shut Up and Dance has only done well in USA and Canada so far and that it isnt known too much in Europe or Australia as of now, right?
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Post by lyhom on Jun 25, 2015 0:23:26 GMT -5
it actually went top ten in australia and the uk, as well as peaking in the top 20 in quite a few other countries, like new zealand, sweden, and ireland
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 0:25:11 GMT -5
Well, like I said, at least Honey Im Good is still only popular and known in Americas
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Post by ry4n on Jun 25, 2015 0:31:31 GMT -5
to be fair "Cruise" (and stuff like "Animals" and "Sweater Weather") went recurrent before their pop success, and for some reason despite those songs having enough to re-enter with the US rules, for some reason Billboard never allowed them to chart again in canada (also somehow "Cruise" spent 30 weeks on the chart in canada anyways despite peaking at #38 lmao) I actually never knew this. Our recurrent rules are so ridiculous. Nothing is ever allowed to re-enter, ever.  |
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 25, 2015 2:06:37 GMT -5
Regarding Madonna... how many artists from the 80s are getting Hot 100 hits in general? Now she gets one and with a third single from current album, that's brilliant imo.
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Post by Gary on Jun 25, 2015 5:52:27 GMT -5
Regarding Madonna... how many artists from the 80s are getting Hot 100 hits in general? Now she gets one and with a third single from current album, that's brilliant imo. Recently, Rod Stewart and Paul McCartney |
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Post by Dylan :) on Jun 25, 2015 6:50:11 GMT -5
Shut Up And Dance jumped 27-14 last week in Ireland, and is now up to #4 on iTunes. Should jump into the top 10 tomorrow. It is always on the two stations I listen to
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Post by jebsib on Jun 25, 2015 7:57:59 GMT -5
Madonna (my all time favorite) has been running on fumes for more than a decade on the Hot 100.
If neither a first single from long-awaited album, hit-worthy multi-format second single or buzz-worthy viral video can't get on the Hot 100, or at least peak Top 80...
This may be her 1986 Diana Ross moment.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jun 25, 2015 8:03:25 GMT -5
Madonna (my all time favorite) has been running on fumes for more than a decade on the Hot 100. If neither a first single from long-awaited album, hit-worthy multi-format second single or buzz-worthy viral video can't get on the Hot 100, or at least peak Top 80... This may be her 1986 Diana Ross moment. And even saying that, Chain Reaction was huge everywhere but the US, weirdly enough... |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 25, 2015 8:43:53 GMT -5
McCartney's tracks, which were not spun off from his own project, understandably, charted. The Stewart track is a sample, that uses his vocals from a tune he wasn't credited on initially (also not from his project). But, an entry is an entry. :) It's tougher for older gals- Annie Lennox scored an entry this year (No. 97), but, it had been a while since she scored an entry, and her hits count is not that large overall (especially solo- not that it matters in this instance, just sayin'). It's Madonna's 57th entry ("Into the Groove" is the honorary 58th)- and, all of her singles to chart on Bubbling Under, that did not reach Hot 100, peaked in the top 10 there.  |
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Post by Gary on Jun 25, 2015 9:11:02 GMT -5
McCartney's tracks, which were not spun off from his own project, understandably, charted. The Stewart track is a sample, that uses his vocals from a tune he wasn't credited on initially (also not from his project). But, an entry is an entry. :) It's tougher for older gals- Annie Lennox scored an entry this year (No. 97), but, it had been a while since she scored an entry, and her hits count is not that large overall (especially solo- not that it matters in this instance, just sayin'). It's Madonna's 57th entry ("Into the Groove" is the honorary 58th)- and, all of her singles to chart on Bubbling Under, that did not reach Hot 100, peaked in the top 10 there. LOL - the statement 80s artists with Hot 100 entries. Rod Stewart and Paul McCartney go back further than that. Annie Lennox is another, if we looked hard enough we could find more (I was just thinking recently). An entry is an entry, no matter how it got there. Rod Stewart/Paul McCartney as well as the current Madonna entry all have one thing in common - younger, more current artists are also credited on each track |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 25, 2015 9:14:24 GMT -5
^That is true, too. And, yes, an entry is an entry, like I said. :) That's probably the only way the older bunch can score notable entries. On a related note, "Me Against the Music" remains the only Madonna-credited single on which she's not the lead act. I'm glad they didn't release that snoozer "Be Careful" back in the late 90s.  |
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 25, 2015 9:20:20 GMT -5
Yes, no matter how an artist gets the entry, it's still a chart entry, and five acts that have had their heydays in the 70s-90s charting now is not many and glad Madge is one of them.
The fifth is obviously Michael Jackson... LNFSG reached top ten and even made the year-end countdown which is insanely brilliant achievement.
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Post by Gary on Jun 25, 2015 9:31:53 GMT -5
In terms of "heyday" I would say Paul McCartney was bigger in the 60s than the 70s. All mountains that artists sit on top of start with that one.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 25, 2015 9:32:16 GMT -5
^spoil- and that was another with a younger, more current act.  No escaping it. Janet Jackson hopefully will be another on next week's chart. |
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Post by Daniel Collins on Jun 25, 2015 9:45:32 GMT -5
We even have Marvin Gaye and John Cougar on the charts 85 86 – 2 John Cougar, John Deere, John 3:16, Keith Urban 85 87 0 New 1 Marvin Gaye, Charlie Puth Featuring Meghan Trainor 87 |
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 25, 2015 11:43:50 GMT -5
Interestingly, Marvin Gaye has never had a posthumous entry.. Now somebody make a viral video ( ) and make it happen when 'Marvin Gaye' is a hit. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 25, 2015 11:51:33 GMT -5
^Erick Sermon's "Music" was credited as "Featuring Marvin Gaye," at least on the single art.
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 25, 2015 11:55:56 GMT -5
Oh! Joel Whitburn doesn't credit him.
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Post by allow that on Jun 25, 2015 11:59:30 GMT -5
^Erick Sermon's "Music" was credited as "Featuring Marvin Gaye," at least on the single art. JAM! |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 25, 2015 12:10:00 GMT -5
The charts showed "Featuring Marvin Gaye," and it shows as much in the BB Biz archives. But the archive that comes up on billboard.com doesn't (I don't recommend using that one, which doesn't seem complete- the biz one is much better).
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Post by House Lannister on Jun 25, 2015 13:16:42 GMT -5
Madonna (my all time favorite) has been running on fumes for more than a decade on the Hot 100. If neither a first single from long-awaited album, hit-worthy multi-format second single or buzz-worthy viral video can't get on the Hot 100, or at least peak Top 80... This may be her 1986 Diana Ross moment. I think it's when she went away from her core music and switched it to electronica. Since 2003, she's had 3 top 10 hits, 5 in the top 40 and 8 make the Hot 100. She's done a lot better on the dance charts. From 1981 to 1988, Diana Ross had 5 top 10 hits, 10 in the top 40 and 15 songs in the Hot 100. I counted Chain Reaction as one entry which charted twice back in 1985 and 1986 in a remixed version before that became all the rage. I guess what I'm saying is that for Diana, the end came suddenly. In her previous album, Diana had 3 top 20 songs in a row. But you could tell she was in trouble when her previous single with Michael Jackson (hot off Thriller) peaked at 77. Then came Chain Reaction and voila, the end. With Madonna, the end has been apparent for awhile. Perhaps you can point to Me Against the Music with Britney Spears as the turning point where she barely made the top 40 in 2003. Britney finished at number 9 with her next single which was Toxic. Or perhaps it was Revolver with Lil Wayne which didn't chart despite the fact he had 7 top 40 singles with other artists in 2009. |
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 25, 2015 13:26:44 GMT -5
Don't talk about "the end", please
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Post by Gary on Jun 25, 2015 13:39:32 GMT -5
Joel Whitburn is not Billboard. His recent books do not give direct credit for "featurings". Marvin Gaye was indeed credited on the Eric Sermon song.
And as we all know Marvin Gaye's biggest posthumous hit (as a writer) has been 'Blurred Lines' |
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Post by imbondz on Jun 25, 2015 13:55:27 GMT -5
Maybe it's because she's like 70.
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Post by pnobelysk on Jun 26, 2015 18:25:19 GMT -5
CMM was a bit different, since it wasn't even released in the US until late February 2012. I don't think there were plans to release/promote it in the US at all until Bieber intervened. "When Love Takes Over" always comes to mind during discussions like this. Top 10 virtually everywhere in the world, with many No. 1 placings - except Canada (No. 22) and the US (No. 76.) Dance music was certainly "in" at that point (this was the year of Gaga, BEP, etc. - which I know weren't quite the same as WLTO, but it's not like it was released in the '03-'05 US music scene), so I'm not sure why we completely gave that the cold shoulder. Im going to say this happened because it was before it was common for dance music producers to have hits . I think this song actually paved the way for David's bigger hits as well as the breakthroughs of Calvin and Zedd in the states |
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Post by pnobelysk on Jun 26, 2015 18:40:50 GMT -5
^That is true, too. And, yes, an entry is an entry, like I said. :) That's probably the only way the older bunch can score notable entries. On a related note, "Me Against the Music" remains the only Madonna-credited single on which she's not the lead act. I'm glad they didn't release that snoozer "Be Careful" back in the late 90s. Considering living for love bubbled under , I think if the single got a proper first week release (without the leak) it would have charted . And that didn't rely on other big names |
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