Billboard Hot 100 : 07/04/2015

[allow that]

Jun 24, 2015 14:46:08 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Somebody stop UF... it can have the record but ENOUGH after that

My eyes have learnt to just completely pass by it on the charts now.

[josh]

Why did they change airplay to something other than Friday-Thursday? They finally had a chance to make all the components cover the exact same time period and they managed to fuck it up. But this is Billboard, so it's to be expected.

[RainMan94]

I've kept weekly records of the Hot 100 chart for the past few years and decided to compare this year to the rest of the decade in terms of top ten turnover. These are the number of top tens each year had as of this current chart week for the past six years:

2010: 35
2011: 34
2012: 31
2013: 31
2014: 26
2015: 22

As you can see, it's a clear downward trend which could be attributed to the addition of streaming points making for longer stays in the top ten. I hope after this year we'll start to see higher turnover. Too many good songs are getting stuck just outside the upper range.

[Libra]

Jun 24, 2015 14:49:13 GMT -5 allow that said:

Jun 24, 2015 14:24:17 GMT -5 Gary said:

SALES: Friday to Thursday
STREAMS: Friday to Thursday
AIRPLAY: Monday to Sunday

How stupid! So the sample frame of the various component charts corresponds to different dates, therefore the chart isn't a compilation of a specific 7 day period but a mesh of an 11 day period!

Which isn't really all that different from how it is now? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Current sample frames:

SALES/STREAMING: Monday to Sunday
AIRPLAY: Wednesday to Tuesday

[Kurt]

Jun 24, 2015 14:52:32 GMT -5 josh said:

Why did they change airplay to something other than Friday-Thursday? They finally had a chance to make all the components cover the exact same time period and they managed to f**k it up. But this is Billboard, so it's to be expected.

Why is airplay on its own cycle apart from sales and streaming? Monitored radio data from Nielsen Music is readily available on a real-time basis, as opposed to sales and streaming data, which filters in from numerous data providers over multiple days. So, by incorporating the latest available airplay data, the Hot 100 will remain as up-to-date as possible each week.

But yeah, I think it would've been cleaner to keep all three on the same range.

[allow that]

Jun 24, 2015 14:55:18 GMT -5 Libra said:

Jun 24, 2015 14:49:13 GMT -5 allow that said:

How stupid! So the sample frame of the various component charts corresponds to different dates, therefore the chart isn't a compilation of a specific 7 day period but a mesh of an 11 day period!

Which isn't really all that different from how it is now? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Current sample frames:

SALES/STREAMING: Monday to Sunday
AIRPLAY: Wednesday to Tuesday

So because it's wrong now it should stay wrong when they're actually rectifying the calendar? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[josh]

Jun 24, 2015 14:58:07 GMT -5 Kurt said:

Jun 24, 2015 14:52:32 GMT -5 josh said:

Why did they change airplay to something other than Friday-Thursday? They finally had a chance to make all the components cover the exact same time period and they managed to f**k it up. But this is Billboard, so it's to be expected.

Why is airplay on its own cycle apart from sales and streaming? Monitored radio data from Nielsen Music is readily available on a real-time basis, as opposed to sales and streaming data, which filters in from numerous data providers over multiple days. So, by incorporating the latest available airplay data, the Hot 100 will remain as up-to-date as possible each week.

But yeah, I think it would've been cleaner to keep all three on the same range.

Yeah, I saw that but it's stupid. When radio only matches half of the time period of sales/streaming, how can the chart possibly be the most popular for a particular time? Billboard is the worst.

[Dylan :)]

Jun 24, 2015 14:53:58 GMT -5 RainMan94 said:

I've kept weekly records of the Hot 100 chart for the past few years and decided to compare this year to the rest of the decade in terms of top ten turnover. These are the number of top tens each year had as of this current chart week for the past six years:

2010: 35
2011: 34
2012: 31
2013: 31
2014: 26
2015: 22

As you can see, it's a clear downward trend which could be attributed to the addition of streaming points making for longer stays in the top ten. I hope after this year we'll start to see higher turnover. Too many good songs are getting stuck just outside the upper range.

At least this year should be more than last year. We still have a few months left, I'm sure more than four songs can enter by then (Fight Song should next week, Worth It may soon, WAUN could when the video premieres) 

[Libra]

Jun 24, 2015 14:52:32 GMT -5 josh said:

Why did they change airplay to something other than Friday-Thursday? They finally had a chance to make all the components cover the exact same time period and they managed to f**k it up. But this is Billboard, so it's to be expected.

According to their article (which Kurt referenced above), sales/streaming isn't available on a real-time basis, whereas airplay is.

My theory, based on this, is that the airplay tracking week was adjusted based on when they're able to process the sales/streaming data. So...if Airplay was on a Friday-Thursday week like the others, that'd mean that Friday would come and...well great, they have the airplay data ready, but they'd still be waiting for the sales/streaming data to be ready. My guess is those two would have to be something like 1-3 days out from real-time, if this is how they're going to handle the respective weeks now.

ETA: I will say tho that it'd have been nice if they'd have mentioned what the airplay tracking week would be for the July 25 chart. They mentioned the 11 days for sales + streaming but said not a word about what airplay would be for that week...

[lyhom]

honestly everytime I think about how messy billboard can get I remind myself of how the hot 100 was in 1997/1998 

(although then again I'd rather watch paint dry than watch the staleness of this year's top ten so idk lmao)

[jebsib]

I don't get the date thing though.

A Hot 100 chart released with highlights on Monday June 1st (for example) now will go down in history as falling on June 13th. And it's for information that started, what, May 22nd?!?

Now would have been the opportunity for BB to clean it up for "future generations", and 'miss a week', thus bringing the real date a little closer to reality.

These date discrepancies were originally done for the publishing schedule, but now with BB's priority being online data... and the mag being an afterthought with only 40 issues a year...??!?

[crystalphnx]

Jun 24, 2015 14:53:58 GMT -5 RainMan94 said:

I've kept weekly records of the Hot 100 chart for the past few years and decided to compare this year to the rest of the decade in terms of top ten turnover. These are the number of top tens each year had as of this current chart week for the past six years:

Jun 24, 2015 15:05:06 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

At least this year should be more than last year. We still have a few months left, I'm sure more than four songs can enter by then (Fight Song should next week, Worth It may soon, WAUN could when the video premieres) 

I don't think his list meant that there were only 26 Top 10 hits in ALL of 2014, just 26 up to this same point (the first chart of July, I assume?) It wouldn't have made much sense to compare this chunk of 2015 against all of those prior years in their entirety. Unless I'm misunderstanding?

[ry4n]

I don't get why it takes so many days for Billboard to publish the sales data. I mean, I know that the US is a larger market, but the UK is able to have their sales data ready to go 16 hours after the tracking week ends. Isn't everything done instantly on the internet these days? lol.

[House Lannister]

Jun 24, 2015 15:40:18 GMT -5 jebsib said:

I don't get the date thing though.

A Hot 100 chart released with highlights on Monday June 1st (for example) now will go down in history as falling on June 13th. And it's for information that started, what, May 22nd?!?

Now would have been the opportunity for BB to clean it up for "future generations", and 'miss a week', thus bringing the real date a little closer to reality.

These date discrepancies were originally done for the publishing schedule, but now with BB's priority being online data... and the mag being an afterthought with only 40 issues a year...??!?

I agree that this was a blown opportunity.  They could have used the time to clean the dates up and had everything in one smoothly running 7 day period.  But I guess that wasn't high enough a priority...

[wjr15]

All these date changes confuse me. I'm just gonna wait til mid-July when everything is back on a set schedule.

[Gary]

As Billboard says:

"As it extends its run atop the Hot 100, "Again" joins the elite list of songs that have spent 10 or more weeks at No. 1. It becomes just the 30th No. 1 in Hot 100 history to lead for at least 10 weeks. That's out of 1,043 toppers dating to the chart's Aug. 4, 1958 debut. Put another way: Only 3 percent of all Hot 100 No. 1s, now including "Again," have logged rules of 10 weeks or more."



Put an even different way, since End Of The Road broke the long standing record of 10 weeks at #1 back in August 1992 there have been 272 #1's. 28 of which stayed at the top for 10 weeks (including See You Again)

That is 1 in 10.

[popstop]

2 10+ week songs back to back. I know that happened with Black Eyed Peas. Any other times?

[Gary]

In terms of consecutive weeks Black Eyed Peas did it and We Belong Together had 10 straight weeks adjacent to ten weeks from Gold Digger.

Nonconsecutive then add this one.

[Verisimilitude]

VEVO views:

[Dylan :)]

Oo Worth It!

[skizzo]

Ewww at Uptown Funk still being relevant...

[House Lannister]

So does anyone think Madonna and Nicki Minaj has a chance of charting in the Hot 100 this week with their tune? Or is it like Public Enemy once warned us to "Don't Believe the Hype"?

[imbondz]

It's crazy that Madonna has fallen off the grid so much that just getting a hot 100 debut is an achievement. When it used to be if she didn't hit the top 10 it was big news.

[Deleted]

I remember a few pages back people were talking about songs that peak in USA first before other countries, well, has Honey Im Good reached Top 10 in any other country yet?

[RainMan94]

Jun 24, 2015 15:56:33 GMT -5 crystalphnx said:

Jun 24, 2015 14:53:58 GMT -5 RainMan94 said:

I've kept weekly records of the Hot 100 chart for the past few years and decided to compare this year to the rest of the decade in terms of top ten turnover. These are the number of top tens each year had as of this current chart week for the past six years:

Jun 24, 2015 15:05:06 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

At least this year should be more than last year. We still have a few months left, I'm sure more than four songs can enter by then (Fight Song should next week, Worth It may soon, WAUN could when the video premieres) 

I don't think his list meant that there were only 26 Top 10 hits in ALL of 2014, just 26 up to this same point (the first chart of July, I assume?) It wouldn't have made much sense to compare this chunk of 2015 against all of those prior years in their entirety. Unless I'm misunderstanding?

Yes, that is correct. Those were only figures for the first week in July of each year. The trend for overall top tens for each year has been declining as well. 2013 and 2014 only had 52 and 48 top ten hits for those years, respectively, which are the two years with the lowest number of such songs in a calendar year since the Hot 100's inception (excluding 1958 since it wasn't a full year).

[kingofpain]

Jun 24, 2015 22:30:31 GMT -5 @walker9 said:

I remember a few pages back people were talking about songs that peak in USA first before other countries, well, has Honey Im Good reached Top 10 in any other country yet?

It reached number 5 in Canada and a pathetic number 64 in Australia. So far those are the only other two countries where the song has charted outside of the U.S.

[Deleted]

We haven't a H100 thread hit 10 pages in a while.

[chartfreak]

Jun 24, 2015 21:39:11 GMT -5 House Lannister said:

So does anyone think Madonna and Nicki Minaj has a chance of charting in the Hot 100 this week with their tune? Or is it like Public Enemy once warned us to "Don't Believe the Hype"?

Debuted at #84 according to info going around.

[Deleted]

Has Renegades by X Ambassadors Debutted anywhere outside of USA yet? I know for a fact this song is a future top 10 hit, maybe it could have a chance to impact USA 1st

[Deleted]

Jun 24, 2015 23:08:19 GMT -5 kingofpain said:

Jun 24, 2015 22:30:31 GMT -5 @walker9 said:

I remember a few pages back people were talking about songs that peak in USA first before other countries, well, has Honey Im Good reached Top 10 in any other country yet?

It reached number 5 in Canada and a pathetic number 64 in Australia. So far those are the only other two countries where the song has charted outside of the U.S.

Well, see, there are good songs that impact America and become hits before other countries, if this song even ends up impacting European countries

I think we all can agree that basically USAs and Canadas charts are sorta similar and that there can never be a song that can probably only impact USA and be a top 10 hit there without it being in Canada

So good to see Honey Im Good impact the Americas before other countrys