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Post by 14887fan on Oct 21, 2015 11:26:10 GMT -5
Thrilled about the AMAs performance. I think she'll do whatever the second single's going to be.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Oct 21, 2015 11:49:34 GMT -5
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 21, 2015 11:50:17 GMT -5
I'm not saying "Heartbeat" would become a crossover smash, I'm just saying it could gain some traction on other formats... without help. BHC wasn't initially helped, but received a push after it was already doing well across multiple formats. Also, "I Told You So" isn't really a love song... It's a break up song about moving on and finding someone new. "Heartbeat", if it becomes a single, would be Carrie's first true genuine love song released as a single. I would just be interested to see how it goes. It's easy to listen to, cute, and catchy --- everything that seems to do well on country radio, so I think it would do really well. And its initial reception, despite what caused it, doesn't hurt the argument that it would make sense as a single, either. Well, I Told You So's content is mostly regarding a post-breakup situation, but I do think the subject character in the song is still in love, and in that sense, I'd argue it is a love song. Anyway, is there a precedence for this to work for females? Most females are struggling in some way on country radio, and many of the big hits (from females) take months and months to make it to the top of the charts. I don't see a clear indication of a 'formula' that works for females in country radio. I don't really group Carrie in with the rest of country music's females. Carrie and Miranda (to a lesser extent) seem to be anomalies at country radio. So, no, there isn't a specific formula for women at country radio to do well. But in general, what's doing well these days is FGL/Sam Hunt/Luke Bryan-type simplistic catchy songs, and I think "Heartbeat" fits into that the most (from what we've heard). I'm not in any way comparing "Heartbeat" to what's on country radio these days in terms of "bro-country", but if there's a song from "Storyteller" that fits into what is currently popular at country radio, I think "Heartbeat" would be it.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 21, 2015 11:59:38 GMT -5
It's slowly but surely getting to be a better time for females in country, though. Right now Carrie, Cam, Jana, and Kelsea are all top 20 at country radio, no? That has to be the most females in the top 20 in awhile.
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Post by ant on Oct 21, 2015 12:03:09 GMT -5
I won tickets to the iHeart radio concert tomorrow!
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 21, 2015 12:14:49 GMT -5
Can someone copy and paste the Jason Scott review and either post it or PM me? I still cannot get the link to open.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Oct 21, 2015 12:30:26 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 21, 2015 16:16:49 GMT -5
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 21, 2015 16:19:42 GMT -5
Looks like that guy has never liked Carrie... Annoying that one person's biased thoughts can represent an entire publication. Of course it's not annoying when those thoughts are positive, though haha... How has NYT reviewed Carrie's past albums?
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 21, 2015 16:27:37 GMT -5
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Post by _adriano. on Oct 21, 2015 16:28:57 GMT -5
"It’s tough not to wonder what Ms. Lambert might have done with it." Now that last line is just supposed to be a slap in the face, right?
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 21, 2015 16:32:29 GMT -5
The Miranda line clearly shows a bias... I HATE reviews that do that. HATE HATE HATE!
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 21, 2015 16:33:13 GMT -5
"It’s tough not to wonder what Ms. Lambert might have done with it." Now that last line is just supposed to be a slap in the face, right? Yes. In a few of his reviews he uses Swift as a counterpoint to Carrie, and then he adds in Lambert in the new one. I'd like to theorize it's another example of male media pitting women against one another, but I don't know the writer's other reviews well enough to really say (for all I know, he does it with male artists as well).
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 21, 2015 17:08:40 GMT -5
That's what happens when a bitter Miranda Lambert stan reviews a Carrie Underwood album. Anyone who still stakes a claim in Swift being at one end of the Country spectrum after she's already confirmed, stated, printed, laminated, engraved, embossed, etched, welded, and put it in the Declaration of Independence that she's not a Country artist anymore is reason enough to discredit their whole review. That, and he's an absolute dick for perpetuating the "What would Miranda do?" s**t. For someone who writes for the NYT, you'd think he'd be a little more aware of the "let's pit this woman against this woman and see what she'd do" thing, especially since that's never been a case brought up in these articles for the men. Anyways, ignoring the misogynistic review:
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Post by spencer on Oct 21, 2015 17:13:57 GMT -5
With such a fierce,negative, combative and subjective attitude it's no wonder that this NYT/ critic doesn't solicit readers' comments. B
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Post by realityBITES on Oct 21, 2015 17:26:07 GMT -5
She'll never get those amazing reviews because she's not telling nearly enough "personal" stories. I can only imagine the reviews Miranda will get for her next post-divorce album.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 21, 2015 17:45:41 GMT -5
Does this mean all the reviews are gonna be bad? :(
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 21, 2015 18:38:01 GMT -5
Does this mean all the reviews are gonna be bad? :( So far, most of the reviews have been positive. It's just unfortunate the only review released so far that gets counted on Metacritic is the NY Times one. But, I'm sure a ton more reviews will be coming out over the next few days that will help boost the album's Metacritic score.
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Post by musicfan134 on Oct 21, 2015 18:48:28 GMT -5
I'm not saying "Heartbeat" would become a crossover smash, I'm just saying it could gain some traction on other formats... without help. BHC wasn't initially helped, but received a push after it was already doing well across multiple formats. Also, "I Told You So" isn't really a love song... It's a break up song about moving on and finding someone new. "Heartbeat", if it becomes a single, would be Carrie's first true genuine love song released as a single. I would just be interested to see how it goes. It's easy to listen to, cute, and catchy --- everything that seems to do well on country radio, so I think it would do really well. And its initial reception, despite what caused it, doesn't hurt the argument that it would make sense as a single, either. Well, I Told You So's content is mostly regarding a post-breakup situation, but I do think the subject character in the song is still in love, and in that sense, I'd argue it is a love song. Anyway, is there a precedence for this to work for females? Most females are struggling in some way on country radio, and many of the big hits (from females) take months and months to make it to the top of the charts. I don't see a clear indication of a 'formula' that works for females in country radio. This is Carrie Underwood we're talking about. She could release a single consisting of her belching the ABC's and it would hit top 10 no problem. Regardless of how other females do on the charts, Carrie is going to do just fine. I think "Heartbeat" is the obvious choice for single number 2 at this point, but I wouldn't count out WINKIAW either. Or, for that matter, another song on Storyteller we haven't heard yet. I'm FINALLY getting excited for this era! I'll be honest and say I was pretty nonchalant about it until like last week and now I'm ecstatic. :) I wouldn't worry about the reviews either. No one who is serious about buying the album is actually going to decide whether to buy it or not based on any review. Still not sure how being a critic is a thing in this day and age tbh.
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Post by Colton on Oct 21, 2015 18:51:19 GMT -5
How did her last album do?
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 21, 2015 19:00:00 GMT -5
Why can't being a creative narrator be just as critically accepted as writing personal stuff? I think it comes down to Carrie not being personal enough on her albums; thus "not having an identity"... But I feel like being a creative story teller IS Carrie's identity as an artist. That's why her music does so well, because it reaches lots of people in different ways - because it's not overly personal, and tells a wide range of different stories. Why is writing autobiographical music the benchmark for country music? Why does an artist have to reveal everything about themselves in their music to be critically acclaimed?... Maybe I have the wrong impression, but I'm just puzzled that an album like this (granted we've yet to hear it) can get any such poor reviews. And to comment on Carrie not knowing how to use her voice? Like, what??? I don't know, it's just frustrating as a fan to read such biased bullshit like that...
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Post by desertfloods on Oct 21, 2015 19:08:21 GMT -5
I can't stand that "what would Ms.Lambert have done" sh*t either. So many artists draw influences from other artists, and even Miranda herself have songs that sound more in line with what Carrie would sing. Just review the work based on its own merit!
And him saying that Carrie's voice doesn't have multiple settings? It's funny how we can hear the same voice so differently. What he says about Carrie's voice is exactly why I never get Miranda's voice.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 21, 2015 19:20:35 GMT -5
I adore Miranda, almost as much as I adore Carrie. They're two very different artists, and that's okay. It's possible to love both.
What I don't understand is why critics - and fans, often baited by critics - insist on pitting women against each other. I feel like you'd be hard-pressed to find a review of a male artist's album that said something like "imagine what [insert other popular male artist] would have done with this song". Critics don't seem nearly as eager to compare the men with each other, instead allowing the music to stand on its own. I wish they'd offer female artists the same respect.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 21, 2015 19:27:30 GMT -5
The review is incredibly misogynistic. I wouldn't be mad if he truly found the material to be boring or less than stellar; I'm mad that he keeps comparing the material to "Imagine what Miranda Lambert could've done with this!!!!!" Fuck off, buddy. When the hell did this genre get so hellbent on heralding Miranda Lambert as its Beyonce? How did her last album do? Platinum with 1.7 million sold, four #1s, 2 Grammys (Country Song, Country Solo - both for "Blown Away"), debuted at #1 on Billboard 200 with 267k sold, all four singles went Platinum/multi-Platinum ("Good Girl" 2x, "Blown Away" 3x).
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 21, 2015 19:50:00 GMT -5
Why can't being a creative narrator be just as critically accepted as writing personal stuff? I think it comes down to Carrie not being personal enough on her albums; thus "not having an identity"... But I feel like being a creative story teller IS Carrie's identity as an artist. That's why her music does so well, because it reaches lots of people in different ways - because it's not overly personal, and tells a wide range of different stories. Why is writing autobiographical music the benchmark for country music? Why does an artist have to reveal everything about themselves in their music to be critically acclaimed?... Maybe I have the wrong impression, but I'm just puzzled that an album like this (granted we've yet to hear it) can get any such poor reviews. And to comment on Carrie not knowing how to use her voice? Like, what??? I don't know, it's just frustrating as a fan to read such biased bulls**t like that... It seems to me that a lot of writers who like Carrie understand that the stories she chooses to tell is her identity. She gets credit from a lot of people for being empathetic in choosing to highlight children who have been affected by abuse, divorce, etc. She gets credit from a lot of people for telling stories of faith. She gets credit from a lot of people for choosing to tell stories where women (but also men) find inner strength to get out of a bad situation. Other people would prefer music be in first person, and that's their right, but I think people who can't see outside of that aren't considering the stories Carrie does tell.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 21, 2015 20:00:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 20:02:12 GMT -5
I'm a huge Miranda and Carrie fan, so it annoys me to no end to see them constantly pitted against each other. As a journalism student, it also annoys me endlessly that OBJECTIVITY is apparently non-existent here.
If he didn't like the material that's fine, but his review reads like he went in with a negative attitude, and was determined to look down on Carrie no matter what.
but it's impossible to take any of this s**t seriously, when critics insist on reviewing Carrie the same way during every album cycle.
I honestly believe critics look down on Carrie because she doesn't write her own material, even though a) writing your own songs doesn't make you an artist b) Lambert/Swift receive tons of praise for writing their own material, yet they also use cowriters. Critics act like these two have written their discographies single-highhandedly or something.
I just don't understand why critics still harp on Carrie, and yet they insist on propping Lambert and Swift up, at literally any opportunity.
Critics seem hell-bent on wanting Carrie to BE Miranda or Taylor, and she is her own artist. She is exactly the kind of artist she wants to be, and it's just baffling the critics still seem to treat her like some airhead Country bumpkin ten years into her career They COMPLETELY ignore that she (unlike most of her contemporaries), is wildly talented, versatile, rooted in Country music, and she has made incredible strides as an artist.
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Post by desertfloods on Oct 21, 2015 20:10:33 GMT -5
I don't think they expect Carrie to be revealing everything about herself in her music. There was a point made in one of the reviews that some of the stories she chooses to sing are a bit far-fetched (can't remember his exact words). I can accept that point of view actually, much much more than the biased NYT cr*p.
Carrie herself said she likes that the songs are like 3 1/2 minutes of mini-movies and she gets to play different characters in them. While I enjoy this kind of story-telling, I can see why some people will find songs like these less appealing, because they aren't exactly relatable/real/raw. I've actually hardly heard of Carrie writing a song that is inspired by someone's life, struggles etc. Or maybe she does, but she never revealed much details about it. And I think it also matters how she chooses to talk about her songwriting process in her interviews because I think it does influence how some critics view her songwriting talent.
I think what some critics harp on is not that Carrie's lacks personal songs, but she lacks the relatability factor in her songs.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 21, 2015 20:24:35 GMT -5
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