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Post by kanimal on Sept 2, 2015 9:49:29 GMT -5
How does the ratings of this year's VMA's compare to the past 5 years? I wonder if the fate of the VMAs is up in the air right now -- It's really hard to analyze the ratings due to all the simulcasts. The show was way down on MTV, but the total viewership (across all the networks that aired it) was down only slightly from last year. But none of that is apples-to-apples. Last year's show was simulcast on 4 networks, this year's 10. And while you may intuitively think that the number of telecasts is irrelevant (under the notion that interested people would watch it wherever it aired), it's not. There are absolutely people who watched this on BET or Comedy Central that would not have watched it if it were only on MTV and VH1 (there are historical examples of this phenomenon, such as the Orphan Black season premiere). One VALID indicator that interest was down is the pre-show, which I do not believe was simulcast (at least not as widely). That drew a 1.9 A18-49 rating and 3.8 million total viewers last year. It drew a 1.3 with 2.8 million this year. And this year's show had Nick Jonas + Taylor Swift's video, which doesn't seem like a significantly worse bill than Fifth Harmony and Charli XCX. -- I see people trying to defend the ratings based on "social metrics." I don't really buy into those as much (as far as compensating for declining ratings). If you reach a certain demographic -- and do certain things -- you can get huge social numbers without being a huge event. Little-watched shows like Pretty Little Liars and The Vampire Diaries get significantly more social action than the big shows on CBS. That said, the social interest *DOES* prove the show is reaching a valuable demographic. And when you add in the fact that the performers receive sales/streaming spikes, you won't have any trouble booking great musical acts moving forward (it's still one of the biggest stages). So, no, the fate isn't up in the air. -- If an awards show were up in the air, it's the MTV Movie Awards. That continues to do disastrous numbers.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 2, 2015 14:07:21 GMT -5
VMAs are the only big thing MTV still has.. They'd be mad to stop it. The number of media coverage and like kanimal said, spike in music consumption is huge. JUst look at all the columns written about Kanye, Nicki and Miley. MTV can't just look at the ratings, it's a show that gets people talking.
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Post by felipe on Sept 2, 2015 14:48:04 GMT -5
Were the ratings that low? I assumed they were about what the AMAs or Billboard Awards can get on broadcast tv.
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Post by cause_for_celebration on Sept 2, 2015 14:50:13 GMT -5
What a disappointing line-up! :( Wow, I have to eat my words cause the show was really entertaining! Minus the Kanye BS & a few of the performances (not a Macklemore/"Dooo It" fan), it was a really awesome show!
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Post by when the pawn... on Sept 2, 2015 15:17:13 GMT -5
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Post by popbox on Sept 3, 2015 0:07:24 GMT -5
When we look at her objectively, she's not exactly overflowing with talent. She's not a great singer like a Whitney/Mariah, she's not a great songwriter with a knack for hooks like a Katy/Gaga, and she doesn't really have that X factor that makes people just naturally obsessed with her like a Britney. So what's left to get the headlines? Act batshit crazy of course. I remember a talk show interview of hers after the '13 VMA performance, where when asked why she did it she basically flat out said it was so that people would be talking about her for days. So a lot of it does come off phony to me because it reeks so much of the attention seeking manner in which she is wired. Yes I'm sure some of it is genuine self expression of growing up and breaking out of a child star image, but a lot of it is solely for purposes of the media attention. I find that to be a rather reductive way to go about being an artist quite honestly. That's the point. At least it seems like she's being genuine and honest. We've been through generations of female singers who were always trying to pretend they were not seeking attention or doing anything "bad". Katy Perry releases a song called Peacock, but has to go out of her way to say it's not related to d*cks. Britney releases I'm a slave 4 U and says the song is about being a slave to the music. Gaga dresses as a frog and says she's doing it for the art. Like it's wrong for a woman to admit she's trying to get people's attention. Gaga bathes herself in blood, but first she must sit down and play her piano to remind the audience that she is actually "talented". I'm glad there's people like Miley, who don't feel the need to do that. I guess. I still feel like in most cases, a lot of the artists you mentioned do have something more related to the art than just the attention in mind though. Not that the attention isn't in mind of course. But Miley always feel 100% attention seeking mode to me and I'm a bit over it, tbh. When she starts finding herself as an artist more and developing what talents she does have, I may be interested.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 3, 2015 1:13:18 GMT -5
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Post by divasummer on Sept 3, 2015 22:59:02 GMT -5
Is there anyone Miley hasn't dragged tonight? Miley shouldn't drag anyone because she looked like so desperate to be cool or trendy. She just looked desperate for attention. I'm surprised that a few in the media thought she was a good host????? It could be that I am in my mid 30's?????? I just found her Obnoxious (and not in a good way).
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Is there anyone Miley hasn't dragged tonight? Miley shouldn't drag anyone because she looked like so desperate to be cool or trendy. She just looked desperate for attention. I'm surprised that a few in the media thought she was a good host????? It could be that I am in my mid 30's?????? I just found her Obnoxious (and not in a good way). I'm in my 30s as well and I was just sideeyeing her all night. I am all for being yourself and whatnot, but it just felt really childish. She's still really young, but IDK if that is the best thing to be doing in the long run. I remember how I was at that age, but I was not famous at the time so it might not be analyzed by the blogosphere and the media, and the general public, but my behavior then would have had far reaching consequence in terms of what could happen as a result of such actions (at work, school, family, friends, etc.). It feels like celebrities and famous people are expected to be messy and stuff (and keeps them in the headlines, good or bad) and it's just weird. There's no need for her to drag and shade anyone to make herself look edgy or build herself up. She can sing, dance, write, act, model, do philanthropic work, and she seems fairly intelligent based on what she said in those interviews she did recently so she has so many positives that work in her favor. Maybe her modus operandi at this particular moment in time is to be shocking and provocative so she can further shed that child star image. Or to see how far she can go and push the envelope and change what is considered "normal" because normal is just a setting on the washing machine. Not to compare her to Madonna, but Madonna had mentioned in interviews after the severe public backlash that occurred as a result of that whole Erotica/ Sex book/ Body Of Evidence/David Letterman show outburst period, she stated that she hadn't really had a chance to rebel when she was younger because of her upbringing and that she was so focused on her career after she left home that now she was older and understood the world differently because she had learned more and seen many things that were wrong with the world, she was angry with the way things were. And then she was trying things that most teens and young people do. She wasn't running around smoking salvia and getting photographed while doing so, but some aspects of that rebelliousness manifested in her work and image at the time, but then she got that out of her system and then moved on to something else and grew. To a certain extent, that might be what is happening with Miley now. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 4, 2015 1:13:50 GMT -5
Madonna clearly hasn't learned her lesson then The only problem I see in Miley's current image is that it burns out pretty fast and she must have some gimmicks in her sleeve all the time. But I root for her persona 100%.
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Post by nikkominaj on Sept 4, 2015 9:00:20 GMT -5
Yeah the skits were cringe-worthy.
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P!nk posted this a couple of days ago on her private Instagram account: Then she had to go and clarify it afterwards. ' Then Demi Lovato felt attacked.
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Post by nikkominaj on Sept 4, 2015 14:01:56 GMT -5
So who was she talking about then? Nicki? Twenty One Pilots (lol no)? Miley (probably)?
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Post by 14887fan on Sept 4, 2015 14:03:18 GMT -5
Demi's 100% right about the VMAs being a sexy and fun show, and they really shouldn't be taken seriously (compared to the Grammys), but Pink isn't wrong, either. Not that a lot of mainstream music is drawn on inspiration nowadays, but it's gotten increasingly mundane these past few years. For me, it's refreshing to see someone inside the loop say something like that.
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Post by allow that on Sept 4, 2015 14:11:47 GMT -5
Well I agree with Pink! I felt old and embarrassed watching that trash. And as such, nearly a week later, my main takeaway from the show is... how the hell did Kris Jenner's elderly ass NOT feel that way while standing out like a sore thumb in the front row??
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Post by felipe on Sept 4, 2015 14:40:14 GMT -5
While I do kind of see Pink's point, I feel tired of Pink acting like she's some big sh*t rockstar, while putting out simple pop songs that aren't really that much better than what she criticizes. It seems like she's always had this i'm-better-than-the-rest attitude.
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Post by felipe on Sept 4, 2015 14:46:20 GMT -5
And then she was trying things that most teens and young people do. She wasn't running around smoking salvia and getting photographed while doing so, but some aspects of that rebelliousness manifested in her work and image at the time, but then she got that out of her system and then moved on to something else and grew. To a certain extent, that might be what is happening with Miley now. I'm not sure if I agree with the idea that it's ok to get out of the pattern for a while and do crazy sh*t until you get it out of your system, but then you must grow up and be a normal person again. Why can't someone just be different? Why does it have to be a phase?
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And then she was trying things that most teens and young people do. She wasn't running around smoking salvia and getting photographed while doing so, but some aspects of that rebelliousness manifested in her work and image at the time, but then she got that out of her system and then moved on to something else and grew. To a certain extent, that might be what is happening with Miley now. I'm not sure if I agree with the idea that it's ok to get out of the pattern for a while and do crazy sh*t until you get it out of your system, but then you must grow up and be a normal person again. Why can't someone just be different? Why does it have to be a phase? There is different, and then there's batshit crazy. Wouldn't it be too much if one was crazy and wild all the time? I really can't think of any one else who has been so outrageous and wild for such a long period of time. We have seen how wild and outrageous Mick Jagger was back in the day. Even he mellowed out a bit with age. And then Morrissey is still in the headlines every few weeks for the controversial statements he makes about different things.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 19:42:48 GMT -5
P!nk can have every seat in the house with that melodramatic bulls**t. When have the VMAs ever been about "inspiring" anyone? Demi is absolutely correct, even if she's reading too much into those comments: if your barometer for measuring whether or not this generation has "good" (read: what she likes, which is subjective) music to fall back on is the VMAs, then you're not very informed. It's meant to be fun, and it's audience is meant to be pre-teens-to-college kids.
This year's show was founded on what defines this generation. I didn't find all of it funny, but there was enough else going on to entertain and distract from whatever I don't feel I identify with... Like, no s**t, eventually you're not gonna get what the kids are into, but I don't know what that would make you feel some kinda way either? Just let them do their thing instead of sounding like your parents did when they told you to turn off that "rap garbage".
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Post by felipe on Sept 4, 2015 22:10:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I agree with the idea that it's ok to get out of the pattern for a while and do crazy sh*t until you get it out of your system, but then you must grow up and be a normal person again. Why can't someone just be different? Why does it have to be a phase? There is different, and then there's batshit crazy. Wouldn't it be too much if one was crazy and wild all the time? I really can't think of any one else who has been so outrageous and wild for such a long period of time. We have seen how wild and outrageous Mick Jagger was back in the day. Even he mellowed out a bit with age. And then Morrissey is still in the headlines every few weeks for the controversial statements he makes about different things. Is she batshit crazy though? Because she gets naked, wears silly outfits and promotes weed? Is that enough to warrant such a title? Justin Bieber was driving recklessly, abusing drugs, getting in trouble with the police and spitting on his fans. I would call that batshit crazy. And then we have a girl like Miley; I never heard that she had drug problems, relationship scandals, or all that stuff. On the contrary, people say she's a nice, intelligent, funny person with great work ethic who leads a rather drama-free life by Hollywood's standards. So are we calling her crazy because she wears ridiculous outfits and dances with drag queens?
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 4, 2015 23:49:23 GMT -5
Pink liked 60% of the show then but the other 40% was uninspiring? OK.
And to me Biebs' comeback is VERY inspiring, look at the charts too
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Post by Glove Slap on Sept 5, 2015 0:45:19 GMT -5
Pink is old and ugly and I want her to flop because I don't like her.
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Pink liked 60% of the show then but the other 40% was uninspiring? OK. Tori Kelly's performance was so amazing though. It was like the lights from the heavens (and the lighting crew) shined upon her and anointed her as the next big star. It was a powerful moment.
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Post by Mirago on Sept 5, 2015 8:41:48 GMT -5
I get what Pink had to say, just wish she didn't list the artists she liked, because that's what made it petty. And I think the VMAs and entertainment in general should aim to inspire, otherwise what's the point?
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Post by surfy on Sept 5, 2015 11:13:03 GMT -5
I get what Pink had to say, just wish she didn't list the artists she liked, because that's what made it petty. And I think the VMAs and entertainment in general should aim to inspire, otherwise what's the point? No entertainment aims to entertain, that's literally the entire point, if the entertainment inspires, great, if not, it's still fun, enjoy it.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 5, 2015 11:27:48 GMT -5
Exactly. And to me Pink of all artists IS an entertainer. Anyone who puts on a show as she did on her latest tour just can't say what she just said.
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Post by pnobelysk on Sept 6, 2015 15:41:41 GMT -5
I don't think Pinks point is very valid however wasn't this posted on her PRIVATE Instagram account. She's allowded to have opinions . And if she wanted the public to see it she WOUDLVE posted it on her public social media . This was said "In her other life" and I think it's important for music artists to have free speech and their own private accounts . This information just slipped out and I don't think we should judge her for it
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Post by surfy on Sept 6, 2015 15:52:29 GMT -5
I don't think Pinks point is very valid however wasn't this posted on her PRIVATE Instagram account. She's allowded to have opinions . And if she wanted the public to see it she WOUDLVE posted it on her public social media . This was said "In her other life" and I think it's important for music artists to have free speech and their own private accounts . This information just slipped out and I don't think we should judge her for it She's allowed to have whatever point she wants, but we're also allowed to disagree with what she said.
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Post by felipe on Sept 6, 2015 18:28:30 GMT -5
Female popstars are always talking about how the media pits women against other women when they're actually feminists who are beyond that. But sometimes it's hard to buy that, isn't it? If we take a look at this year's VMAs alone Nicki got into an argument with Taylor, Katy jumped in and Miley also talked back. And then Minaj confronted Miley and Azaelia dissed them all. Then Pink supposedly picks on both Nicki and Miley and Demi talks back. Seriously? Look at all the names involved here. Is the media really being misrepresentative of women's relationships? Or is Ed Sheeran also trashing other men on twitter and the "media" is choosing not to run that story?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 18:54:26 GMT -5
It's because in the pursuit of fame. These women talk out from both of their asses cheeks or in Taylor's case between both of her faces. One one hand they want to do what the suits tell them that a fight with another woman sells and on the other hand they want to break free from that stereotype. It takes a woman of character to do that and none of the girls at the top of the charts today has any character, class or backbone. None of them are feminists obviously, they are capitalistic pigs that feed on the soul of the young and dumb. Now that would be okay if they had the talent to match their capitalistic ways. Then there would be a good reason for them to be so rich and famous.
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