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Post by Linnethia Monique on Aug 31, 2015 15:13:19 GMT -5
Hit Nicki with that "N T Way" swerve.
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Post by Caviar on Aug 31, 2015 17:13:38 GMT -5
Ratings down from 10.3 million to 9.7 across 10 networks. Fl0p
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Post by felipe on Aug 31, 2015 17:31:04 GMT -5
What does across 10 networks mean?
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Post by lyhom on Aug 31, 2015 17:32:25 GMT -5
I'd assume it aired on 10 different networks
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Post by Wrecking Ball on Aug 31, 2015 17:34:42 GMT -5
Still no official HQ full album download from Miley?? Apparently it will be out to download soon
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Post by Active Aggressive on Aug 31, 2015 18:10:30 GMT -5
It didn't take me more than 5 minutes to find a good link online once I realized it was only available for streaming.
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Post by wjr15 on Aug 31, 2015 23:12:43 GMT -5
How does the ratings of this year's VMA's compare to the past 5 years? I wonder if the fate of the VMAs is up in the air right now
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 23:39:44 GMT -5
You're not wrong, but "manipulating" makes it sound so bad lol. Or at least, not as respectable. Not sure of a better word to use though. There was something she said in her New York Times interview about realizing her own power. At first I thought she was ego tripping, but the more I read it, the more she seemed self-aware for it. It could've been worded better, maybe, but it's a fair point. What's most impressive to me though is how genuine she appears to be. I'm sure a lot of it is a product of the media assembly line or what, but unlike, I don't know, BeyoncΓ© or Taylor, it's so much easier to buy what this girl is selling.Β But what exactly is she selling though? I'm sure she's in on the joke as others have stated. I'm just still not entirely sure what the joke is. That the whole point is to do crazy stuff to generate headlines and prove the media will latch onto anything? I mean, Miley's not stupid, but I don't think she's that brilliant either. Sorry this took me so long, whoops. Anyway, nobody said Miley was particularly brilliant. The idea of being outlandish to generate headlines while having a heart of gold isn't anything new. I think comparing her to Gaga was a mistake, actually. Ke$ha's probably more accurate, although Miley pulls it off much better. Keep in mind, Miley is also managed by the same team that brought us Britney Spears. Whether or not she knows what she's doing is irrelevant so long as they do, but I do think she does. I'm not going to act like they didn't offer a good bit of input when it came to constructing her schtick, though.Β But yeah, the bold is sort of it. It's not that she's trying to prove that the media will latch on to anything. It's that she knows how to make the media latch on to her, and last night did a good enough job of proving that considering Miley managed to snatch every headline away from the runner-up Miss Feminist 2015 and supreme leader of Earth, Taylor Swift. -- On another note, I don't think it's fair to claim that Miley's activism was disingenuous, but I'm seeing that elsewhere. Idk how promoting a self-funded, independently released album with all proceeds going to charity is self-serving. That's pretty commendable, actually. It's kind of sad (and telling) that the media is purposefully cherrypicking the bulls**t that stinks most-- and matters least-- from last night to talk about, and not that.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Aug 31, 2015 23:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 23:57:25 GMT -5
I told y'all Miley was out for blood last night. Just sent in my stan card application.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Sept 1, 2015 0:02:19 GMT -5
It was the same situation with Gaga and the Smiths where somebody took an unrelated clip and used it to manipulate headlines.
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Post by popbox on Sept 1, 2015 0:10:15 GMT -5
Ratings might have been poor, but after the dust settled I think a pretty big impact was felt today from the show. I heard all kinds of discussion among friends and social media today about various incidents (Miley in general, Nicki/Miley, Kanye, Taylor, etc). Lots of stuff all over the web too about the show. And I'm sure increased streaming contributed to bad ratings too.
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Post by Waveyβ¨οΈ on Sept 1, 2015 0:11:56 GMT -5
Omg, what a mess. Looks like she was waitin for it. Hmph. Moving on.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 1, 2015 2:52:18 GMT -5
9.7 is not even near the all time low for VMAs, it's in the middle. The all time record is 12.something (correct me if I'm wrong). Given the line up and (lack of) pre-show buzz it's pretty good I'd say.
It's still the 2nd most influential music show in the US (after the Grammys)
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Post by felipe on Sept 1, 2015 5:40:13 GMT -5
Ratings might have been poor, but after the dust settled I think a pretty big impact was felt today from the show. I heard all kinds of discussion among friends and social media today about various incidents (Miley in general, Nicki/Miley, Kanye, Taylor, etc). Lots of stuff all over the web too about the show. And I'm sure increased streaming contributed to bad ratings too. I guess the "poor" ratings are also due to the fact that last year's VMA was pretty uneventful. Keep in mind a crontroversial show has always benefited the next year's broadcast.
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Post by when the pawn... on Sept 1, 2015 11:32:48 GMT -5
I'm conflicted on Miley. I love her commitment to whatever she's doing. She has a great voice and certainly has presence as a performer. I don't like most what I've heard of the new music but I don't mind her experimenting (actually, I like it). She is in her own lane, musically and aesthetically so I'm happy we have her. I love her Hippie Foundation and most (all?) of what she has said about gender and sexuality. I'm sure it is but she, mostly, isn't presented as a robot-PR-machine like Taylor Swift. I think she is genuine in her one-love activism but I do think it's often poorly executed. I believe she is super problematic, for the lack of a better word, in terms of race/appropriation. I didn't like her comments about Nicki in that NYT article, or wherever it was (though I think all 3 involved came out looking bad).
So I'm up and down. But ultimately, I think she's original and necessary in the pop landscape in 2015. Looking forward to seeing what she does next.
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Post by nikkominaj on Sept 1, 2015 12:29:40 GMT -5
Omg, what a mess. Looks like she was waitin for it. Hmph. Moving on. Agreed, this version makes it look like it was staged. ugh. This is exactly what Kanye was mumbling about.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 1, 2015 13:40:34 GMT -5
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Post by wjr15 on Sept 1, 2015 13:53:09 GMT -5
Makes sense. This year's VMA's was a hot mess.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 1, 2015 13:59:07 GMT -5
But Miley Cyrus is bigger than ever.
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Post by lyhom on Sept 1, 2015 14:01:28 GMT -5
literally the most interesting thing about that clickbait to me was finding out that google just got a new logo lmfao
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Post by felipe on Sept 1, 2015 15:50:32 GMT -5
I'm conflicted on Miley. I love her commitment to whatever she's doing. She has a great voice and certainly has presence as a performer. I don't like most what I've heard of the new music but I don't mind her experimenting (actually, I like it). She is in her own lane, musically and aesthetically so I'm happy we have her. I love her Hippie Foundation and most (all?) of what she has said about gender and sexuality. I'm sure it is but she, mostly, isn't presented as a robot-PR-machine like Taylor Swift. I think she is genuine in her one-love activism but I do think it's often poorly executed. I believe she is super problematic, for the lack of a better word, in terms of race/appropriation. I didn't like her comments about Nicki in that NYT article, or wherever it was (though I think all 3 involved came out looking bad). So I'm up and down. But ultimately, I think she's original and necessary in the pop landscape in 2015. Looking forward to seeing what she does next. IDK but with Miley I always have the impression that he is genuinely enjoying herself and having fun, and I never got that impression from Madonna or lady Gaga, for example, where everything seemed to be completely thought out. Miley doesn't seem to care if she's making a fool of herself, she's having a ball.
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Post by when the pawn... on Sept 1, 2015 17:07:51 GMT -5
I'm conflicted on Miley. I love her commitment to whatever she's doing. She has a great voice and certainly has presence as a performer. I don't like most what I've heard of the new music but I don't mind her experimenting (actually, I like it). She is in her own lane, musically and aesthetically so I'm happy we have her. I love her Hippie Foundation and most (all?) of what she has said about gender and sexuality. I'm sure it is but she, mostly, isn't presented as a robot-PR-machine like Taylor Swift. I think she is genuine in her one-love activism but I do think it's often poorly executed. I believe she is super problematic, for the lack of a better word, in terms of race/appropriation. I didn't like her comments about Nicki in that NYT article, or wherever it was (though I think all 3 involved came out looking bad). So I'm up and down. But ultimately, I think she's original and necessary in the pop landscape in 2015. Looking forward to seeing what she does next. IDK but with Miley I always have the impression that he is genuinely enjoying herself and having fun, and I never got that impression from Madonna or lady Gaga, for example, where everything seemed to be completely thought out. Miley doesn't seem to care if she's making a fool of herself, she's having a ball. I agree on that and I appreciate that aesthetic. And while I don't endorse censorship or the idea that artists should use more tact or intellectualize their art (if they don't want to), she runs into problems when she offends. For me personally, at least. Not like any pop star has a clean slate in that regard but Miley has certainly blurred some lines.
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Post by popbox on Sept 1, 2015 17:59:33 GMT -5
I do agree with the bits about Miley always being a child star who is desperate for the attention. This is a girl that had Disneyland closed down for her 16th birthday. She was the hottest concert ticket seller on the planet during her Hannah Montana days. Quite simply she got used to an exorbitant level of attention and popularity at a young age and it kind of became like oxygen to her. I think she literally needs that. So what to do when she was all grown up and the Hannah Montana days were over? When we look at her objectively, she's not exactly overflowing with talent. She's not a great singer like a Whitney/Mariah, she's not a great songwriter with a knack for hooks like a Katy/Gaga, and she doesn't really have that X factor that makes people just naturally obsessed with her like a Britney. So what's left to get the headlines? Act batshit crazy of course. I remember a talk show interview of hers after the '13 VMA performance, where when asked why she did it she basically flat out said it was so that people would be talking about her for days. So a lot of it does come off phony to me because it reeks so much of the attention seeking manner in which she is wired. Yes I'm sure some of it is genuine self expression of growing up and breaking out of a child star image, but a lot of it is solely for purposes of the media attention. I find that to be a rather reductive way to go about being an artist quite honestly.
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Post by surfy on Sept 1, 2015 19:09:35 GMT -5
I disagree. I think she's a great singer, a great performer, and a girl who has a message and doesn't give a fuck.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Sept 1, 2015 21:23:55 GMT -5
Miley was trying to shed the Hannah Montana schtick way before the show even ended so I'm not seeing the point there. Disney probably shut down the park for her 16th for publicity because she was their biggest cash cow that had a pulse. When you are a child star at such a young age you are not taught to express yourself. You have a perfect image that you are supposed to uphold in the public's eye. Nick Jonas, Raven Symone, Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez, Joe Jonas, Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, all have gone through their radical stages of change. All came about around the same age as well. The pressure and anxiety of faking a persona can mean life and death for them and she's taking the route of actually saying "F#ck It" and doing what she feels is best for her psyche. We see how not being yourself can lead people to hide their demons. People need to stop acting as if she is Fire Crotch Lohan. The girl is way smarter than what people give her credit.
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I think Miley went as far as she could to get it out of her system and experiment with some things musically, fashion-wise, and image-wise. I think her next proper album era will be far less chaotic and over the top.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 1, 2015 21:48:29 GMT -5
I think people are looking too far into her or trying to at least. We're so used to pop stars and celebrities having structure and everything they do being calculated that we can't seem to wrap our heads around the idea that not everyone does everything to the t with every i dotted. So of course it's so easy to conclude that Miley is so desperate for attention she's throwing shit out there in hopes something sticks. I definitely believe Miley is well aware of what she's doing and she's having a blast doing it. The girl isn't without her criticisms but she doesn't get nearly enough credit. People take her more serious than she takes herself. I'm sure she finds it amusing.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 2, 2015 1:13:38 GMT -5
But she clearly has a vision about her music, how the Verge called the album "unlistenable" says quite a lot about their attitude towards Miley.
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Post by felipe on Sept 2, 2015 7:33:19 GMT -5
When we look at her objectively, she's not exactly overflowing with talent. She's not a great singer like a Whitney/Mariah, she's not a great songwriter with a knack for hooks like a Katy/Gaga, and she doesn't really have that X factor that makes people just naturally obsessed with her like a Britney. So what's left to get the headlines? Act batshit crazy of course. I remember a talk show interview of hers after the '13 VMA performance, where when asked why she did it she basically flat out said it was so that people would be talking about her for days. So a lot of it does come off phony to me because it reeks so much of the attention seeking manner in which she is wired. Yes I'm sure some of it is genuine self expression of growing up and breaking out of a child star image, but a lot of it is solely for purposes of the media attention. I find that to be a rather reductive way to go about being an artist quite honestly. That's the point. At least it seems like she's being genuine and honest. We've been through generations of female singers who were always trying to pretend they were not seeking attention or doing anything "bad". Katy Perry releases a song called Peacock, but has to go out of her way to say it's not related to d*cks. Britney releases I'm a slave 4 U and says the song is about being a slave to the music. Gaga dresses as a frog and says she's doing it for the art. Like it's wrong for a woman to admit she's trying to get people's attention. Gaga bathes herself in blood, but first she must sit down and play her piano to remind the audience that she is actually "talented". I'm glad there's people like Miley, who don't feel the need to do that.
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