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Post by jayhawk1117 on Aug 13, 2015 12:04:09 GMT -5
While really hope Lean On does get number one, I don't think it's possible. Less sales and airplay than CFMF. But like someone said of they perform at the VMAS that could cause it. I'm almost positive the next number one isn't even in the top 20 yet.
Inb4 it's Locked Away
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 13, 2015 12:57:30 GMT -5
Locked Away will reach top 10 for sure but #1 is always something exceptional so not counting on that.
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 13, 2015 13:01:27 GMT -5
That said it can also be one of those songs that hover around 11-15 for forever LOL
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 13, 2015 13:12:56 GMT -5
I'm almost positive the next number one isn't even in the top 20 yet. I'd go even farther and say it's not even been released yet. The only two on the chart right now that show potential are "The Hills" and "Locked Away," and I don't think "The Hills" is going to get enough airplay (too hard to be massive on pop or do much at hot AC) to get there and "Locked Away" just feels like a song that would stall in the 6-10 region. |
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Post by sagi on Aug 13, 2015 14:24:27 GMT -5
I'm starting to be a believer in Locked Away. Pretty much full in now. Big move to the top 5 without much promo. This isn't a ten week breaker in my opinion but with the competition down the next month or so this has a real shot to get to number one 4-6 weeks from now.
That said, the list of songs I was 100% sure would get to number one and never did is quite long lol. I still don't understand how Love me like you do missed it. There was a week there when it looked a no-brainer.
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Post by Clauss on Aug 13, 2015 14:25:33 GMT -5
Focus on me is coming and its going to revenge problem being 200 weeks at #1. Yep
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 13, 2015 14:53:33 GMT -5
I would love Ariana to get a #1 this era! Still upset she missed it with Problem, but five weeks at #2, and ranking in the top 10 of the year end list is still a huge achievement, considering The Way (her previous top 10) had less weeks in the top 10 than Problem did at its peak, and (barely) missed the top 30 (which, tbh, I still don't understand how it finished so high)
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Post by felipe on Aug 13, 2015 15:12:32 GMT -5
I also don't see Pulse's reaction to either "Rather Be" or "Lean On" as unique or excessive. Yes, they're generally well-liked here, but they're also well-liked in general. It's clear a lot of people outside Pulse like these songs, but I don't often see this reaction we usually get here like Rather Be was a masterpiece, the best song of 2014 and that Lean On is the best song in forever and NEEDS to go #1. People still remember the "where will Mim be?" discussions, but I actually think the rooting for Rather Be to break into the top 10 was bigger than that here on Pulse. |
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Post by allow that on Aug 13, 2015 17:52:37 GMT -5
I also don't see Pulse's reaction to either "Rather Be" or "Lean On" as unique or excessive. Yes, they're generally well-liked here, but they're also well-liked in general. It's clear a lot of people outside Pulse like these songs, but I don't often see this reaction we usually get here like Rather Be was a masterpiece, the best song of 2014 and that Lean On is the best song in forever and NEEDS to go #1. People still remember the "where will Mim be?" discussions, but I actually think the rooting for Rather Be to break into the top 10 was bigger than that here on Pulse. I don't remember anyone ever calling it the best song ever. People were rooting for it because it climbed on merit rather than glitzy promo or a big name, and because it felt like an anomaly compared to the Pop Factory TM hits surrounding it. It made the chart more interesting to watch. |
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 13, 2015 19:44:44 GMT -5
Wasn't Rather Be one of those On The Verge songs? And didn't it need that to actually start selling well? I remember people liking it here, but being aware that a strong label push and deal was required before it broke through.
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 14, 2015 1:19:44 GMT -5
I don't really see the point of this discussion... there are hundreds of songs out there that are likeable and could do well on pop chart for that reason only but hundreds of those songs never do well on charts for reason or another so it's not really indication of anything.
Other factors than quality usually determine if the song is a hit or not.
I really hope that Hold Back the River by James Bay would become a hit because it's very clever song and well done and beautiful and everything BUT it will never touch the top 40 for other reasons.
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Post by imbondz on Aug 14, 2015 5:16:05 GMT -5
James Bay is insanely good.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Aug 14, 2015 12:26:26 GMT -5
From ATRL:
Spotify US Streaming Weekly Top 20 08/08/2015 - 08/14/2015
1. Can't Feel My Face 5,353,274
2. 679 4,351,293
3. The Hills 4,310,152
4. Lean On 3,957,429
5. Cheerleader 3,682,659
6. Good For You 3,478,222
7. Drag Me Down 3,368,015
8. Trap Queen 3,239,273
9. Where Are U Now 3,060,353
10. My Way 2,789,733
11. All Eyes On You 2,614,237
12. Watch Me (Whip / Nae Nae) 2,582,319
13. Cool For The Summer 2,528,819
14. Back To Back 2,525,747
15. Hotline Bling 2,517,432
16. See You Again 2,368,893
17. You Know You Like It 2,355,516
18. Classic Man 2,171,018
19. Flex (Ooh, Ooh, Ooh) 2,161,408
20. Shut Up And Dance 2,154,110
Just missed the T20:
Photograph 2,135,503
Fight Song 2,118,319
This Could Be Us 2,070,259
If only Apple Music & Youtube US's information was as easily available.
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Post by Kworb on Aug 14, 2015 12:35:14 GMT -5
Sales estimates 1. Can't Feel My Face 126,000 2. Cheerleader 120,000 3. Lean On 90,000 4. Watch Me 90,000 5. Again 90,000 6. Fight Song 84,000 7. The Hills 78,000 8. Good For You 72,000 9. Drag Me Down 71,000 10. Locked Away 68,000 11. High By The Beach 67,000 12. Back To Back 65,000 13. Marvin Gaye 64,000 14. Kick The Dust Up 64,000 15. 679 63,000 kworb.net/cc |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 13:00:37 GMT -5
From ATRL: Spotify US Streaming Weekly Top 20 08/08/2015 - 08/14/2015 1. Can't Feel My Face 5,353,274 5. Cheerleader 3,682,659 Sales estimates 1. Can't Feel My Face 126,000 2. Cheerleader 120,000 1 = THE WEEKND Can't Feel My Face 188.265 2 = OMI Cheerleader 181.057 +0.730 33496 -49 3/70 2 181.057 I don't get why people are saying Cheerleader and CFMF will be switching back and forth at #1 on the Hot 100...at this rate there's no way Cheerleader will return to #1 IMO. |
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Post by jebsib on Aug 14, 2015 13:16:26 GMT -5
Why does Hip-Hop do so much better on Streaming?
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Post by rimetm on Aug 14, 2015 13:59:12 GMT -5
I don't get why people are saying Cheerleader and CFMF will be switching back and forth at #1 on the Hot 100...at this rate there's no way Cheerleader will return to #1 IMO. Be wary, it could switch either this or next week. The airplay gap narrows, the sales gap narrows this week thanks to the performance and the remix which should extend further next week, and the video streaming lead The Weeknd had might reverse. (I don't want it to happen as much as you do, but after Shake it Off returned to the top for 2 straight weeks, I've become more cautious about overconfidence) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 14:19:44 GMT -5
I don't get why people are saying Cheerleader and CFMF will be switching back and forth at #1 on the Hot 100...at this rate there's no way Cheerleader will return to #1 IMO. Be wary, it could switch either this or next week. The airplay gap narrows, the sales gap narrows this week thanks to the performance and the remix which should extend further next week, and the video streaming lead The Weeknd had might reverse. (I don't want it to happen as much as you do, but after Shake it Off returned to the top for 2 straight weeks, I've become more cautious about overconfidence) But with SIO it was apparent that it was holding up better than AATB so I was expecting SIO to return to the top (tbh I'm very surprised it didn't do it like 3 weeks earlier than it did). In this case though the gap between CFMF and Cheerleader seems to remain the same at best (I would even go on to say that CFMF is getting ahead in Spotify and streaming) so unless CFMF starts to freefall really soon I don't think it will fall below Cheerleader. I'm just wondering what the next #1 will be and how soon it will get there (but for now I project CFMF to be #1 for the next 4-5 weeks). That's just my stipulation though. |
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Post by sagi on Aug 14, 2015 16:33:10 GMT -5
Why does Hip-Hop do so much better on Streaming? This is a great question. I assume it is age or demographic related? I think this is a good thing though. It's the new digital download, the counter to radio stations refusing to play certain songs. Even urban was lukewarm to playing Silento but thanks to streaming the song's peak represented its true popularity. |
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Post by jebsib on Aug 14, 2015 18:51:03 GMT -5
Yes. It is odd that the genre thrives on streaming when it was an uphill battle on iTunes for most of the 12 years.
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Post by House Lannister on Aug 14, 2015 20:25:55 GMT -5
Wait, Fetty Wap has another song selling well? And where's My Way in the sales estimates?
Pleasantly surprised by the sales of High on the Beach by Lana Del Ray. It's definitely charting this week, I think.
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Post by 85la on Aug 14, 2015 23:44:48 GMT -5
Wait, Fetty Wap has another song selling well? And where's My Way in the sales estimates? Pleasantly surprised by the sales of High on the Beach by Lana Del Ray. It's definitely charting this week, I think. I thought High by the Beach would be a little higher. I know it only had four days of sales, but it was number one for most of Monday and Tuesday. |
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Post by THINKIN BOUT YOU on Aug 15, 2015 3:03:25 GMT -5
So.. When was the last time where our cutie top seller of the week cannot even get to 130,000 sales? 2009? 2008?
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Post by THINKIN BOUT YOU on Aug 15, 2015 3:14:47 GMT -5
So.. When was the last time where our cutie top seller of the week cannot even get to 130,000 sales? 2009? 2008? I did a little research.. only to find out that the last time top seller sales was fewer than 126,000 copies was September 1st, 2007..... It's been like 8 years! 8 ... fucking years!! Digital market is shrinking ridiculously after only been all the rage for less than 10 yrs.. I wonder if that can be gettin any worse |
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 15, 2015 6:27:20 GMT -5
Older people remember the time when sales were almost nonexistent so...
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Post by Daniel Collins on Aug 15, 2015 7:36:05 GMT -5
Mediabase 08/15/15
1. THE WEEKND - Can't Feel My Face: 189.047 (+ 1.160)
2. OMI - Cheerleader: 176.640 (+ 1.211)
3. TAYLOR SWIFT - Bad Blood f/Kendrick Lamar: 154.989 (- 2.361)
4. WALK THE MOON - Shut Up And Dance: 126.967 (- 0.929)
5. MAJOR LAZER - Lean On f/MΓ & DJ Snake: 122.342 (+ 1.439)
6. RACHEL PLATTEN - Fight Song: 116.178 (- 0.518)
7. WIZ KHALIFA - See You Again f/Charlie Puth: 104.425 (- 0.726)
8. ED SHEERAN - Photograph: 103.629 (+ 0.932)
9. SKRILLEX & DIPLO - Where Are U Now w/J. Bieber: 91.093 (+ 0.355)
10. FIFTH HARMONY - Worth It f/Kid Ink: 87.372 (- 1.353)
11. JASON DERULO - Want To Want Me: 87.030 (+ 0.690)
12. ANDY GRAMMER - Honey, I'm Good: 82.483 (- 1.669)
13. FALL OUT BOY - Uma Thurman: 81.527 (+ 0.559)
14. SELENA GOMEZ - Good For You f/A$AP Rocky: 81.427 (+ 0.952)
15. DEMI LOVATO - Cool For The Summer: 79.631 (+ 1.252)
16. DAVID GUETTA - Hey Mama f/N. Minaj & Afrojack: 74.685 (- 1.733)
17. MARK RONSON - Uptown Funk f/Bruno Mars: 68.258 (+ 0.901
18. ZAC BROWN BAND - Loving You Easy: 67.135 (+ 0.214)
19. MAROON 5 - Sugar: 66.052 (- 0.369)
20. FRANKIE BALLARD - Young & Crazy: 63.384 (+ 0.274) β²
FETTY WAP - My Way f/Monty: 61.869 (+ 1.011)
SAM HUNT - House Party: 60.335 (+ 0.518)
THOMAS RHETT - Crash And Burn: 52.065 (+ 0.799)
R. CITY - Locked Away f/Adam Levine: 50.716 (+ 1.913)
X AMBASSADORS - Renegades: 37.613 (+ 0.624)
THE WEEKND - The Hills: 35.399 (+ 1.516)
CHARLIE PUTH - Marvin Gaye f/Meghan Trainor: 34.166 (+ 0.489)
MEEK MILL - All Eyes On You f/Minaj/Brown: 33.382 (+ 0.697)
FLORIDA-GEORGIA LINE - Anything Goes: 30.976 (+ 0.638)
5 SECONDS OF SUMMER - She's Kinda Hot: 29.563 (+ 0.390)
JASON DERULO - Cheyenne: 28.718 (+ 0.119)
ZEDD - Beautiful Now f/Jon Bellion: 27.665 (+ 0.118)
ONE DIRECTION - Drag Me Down: 24.758 (+ 0.974)
JANET JACKSON - No Sleeep: 17.820 (+ 0.115)
SHAWN MENDES - Stitches: 16.895 (+ 0.812)
HAILEE STEINFELD - Love Myself: 15.550 (+ 1.537)
MEGHAN TRAINOR - Like I'm Gonna Lose You: 14.765 (+ 0.313)
CALVIN HARRIS + DISCIPLES - How Deep Is Your Love: 13.858 (- 0.168)
A GREAT BIG WORLD - Hold Each Other f/Futuristic: 12.896 (+ 0.540)
DRAKE - Back To Back: 12.475 (+ 0.189)
MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS - Growing Up f/Ed Sheeran: 12.128 (+ 0.712)
CHRIS BROWN - Liquor: 11.627 (+ 0.158)
DISCLOSURE - Omen f/Sam Smith: 11.543 (+ 0.240)
ALESSIA CARA - Here: 11.165 (+ 0.658)
THE BAND PERRY - Live Forever: 5.042
ROBIN THICKE - Back Together f/Nicki Minaj: 3.179 (+ 0.345)
RITA ORA - Body On Me f/Chris Brown: 2.171 (+ 0.434)
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 15, 2015 7:48:37 GMT -5
So.. When was the last time where our cutie top seller of the week cannot even get to 130,000 sales? 2009? 2008? I did a little research.. only to find out that the last time top seller sales was fewer than 126,000 copies was September 1st, 2007..... It's been like 8 years! 8 ... f**king years!! Digital market is shrinking ridiculously after only been all the rage for less than 10 yrs.. I wonder if that can be gettin any worse The lifespan of CDs wasn't really that much longer? It was only the early 90s when they started to become widely available for most/all album releases and then by the early-to-mid 2000s was when mp3s and digital sales began to creep in there. It seems a particular medium has about a decade, give or take, as the primary way to consume music. Of course, this sounds like a doomsday toward digital sales when digital only just recently overtook CDs as the top selling form of music. I suspect the conversion of CD to digital to streaming will continue to gradually evolve over the next few years anyway. |
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Post by felipe on Aug 15, 2015 8:17:54 GMT -5
Older people remember the time when sales were almost nonexistent so... But back then the #1 album of the week wasn't selling 30k, was it? |
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Post by felipe on Aug 15, 2015 8:20:45 GMT -5
Yes. It is odd that the genre thrives on streaming when it was an uphill battle on iTunes for most of the 12 years. Maybe hip-hop fans just never felt like paying for digital music? They might have been listening to it all along, and Billboard just hadn't found a way to quantify it before. |
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Post by sagi on Aug 15, 2015 8:57:34 GMT -5
We are at a point now where the hot 100 is a streaming chart. Digital numbers are so small except for a few monster records that streaming seems to decide who takes the crown. Unless its a multiformat smash pretty much any top 3 single is going to reach about 150M in AI so airplay ends up being a wash.
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