Billboard Hot 100: 11/14/15 (Hello Adele!)

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

There's too much even going on in here.

a) demographics and stereotypes are two different things. Both of which have been given as examples in this thread.

b) men and women in entertainment both have different pressure placed upon them as they age and much of it has to do with societies expectations on the two genders. I mentioned this before about the different ideas people have for what they consider as being attractive for men and women. Women who are attractive are deemed so more on looks while men are often deemed attractive for qualities other than their looks.

c) Cher's biggest fanbase is very likely her gay fanbase.
cii) Being a fan of Cher isn't a requirement of being gay.

d) Is Cher even considered "sexy"? She's definitely confident and has a strong personality. For some, that is more than enough to be sexy. In the visual sense, does she conform to whatever is considered "sexy"?
dii) Is trying to be "sexy" a negative thing, is it somehow diminishing to someone's persona? I get the impression in this thread that attempting to be "sexy" for image's sake is automatically sacrificing integrity or self-respect or something. What's wrong with wanting to be sexy in any sense of the word?

e) To say women dress a certain way because men is to say women lack the ability to make their own choices. While I definitely understand that there is a lot of pressure for women in entertainment to be a certain way in order to succeed (and this is a discussion in itself, although this thread isn't the place for it), I figure someone like Cher can make her own decisions and very likely does make her own decisions on how she presents herself. There's something problematic in the assumption that, as a woman, she or others like her don't make their own decisions because men.

[felipe]

Nov 4, 2015 17:58:08 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

There's too much even going on in here.

a) demographics and stereotypes are two different things. Both of which have been given as examples in this thread.

b) men and women in entertainment both have different pressure placed upon them as they age and much of it has to do with societies expectations on the two genders. I mentioned this before about the different ideas people have for what they consider as being attractive for men and women. Women who are attractive are deemed so more on looks while men are often deemed attractive for qualities other than their looks.

c) Cher's biggest fanbase is very likely her gay fanbase.
cii) Being a fan of Cher isn't a requirement of being gay.

d) Is Cher even considered "sexy"? She's definitely confident and has a strong personality. For some, that is more than enough to be sexy. In the visual sense, does she conform to whatever is considered "sexy"?
dii) Is trying to be "sexy" a negative thing, is it somehow diminishing to someone's persona? I get the impression in this thread that attempting to be "sexy" for image's sake is automatically sacrificing integrity or self-respect or something. What's wrong with wanting to be sexy in any sense of the word?

e) To say women dress a certain way because men is to say women lack the ability to make their own choices. While I definitely understand that there is a lot of pressure for women in entertainment to be a certain way in order to succeed (and this is a discussion in itself, although this thread isn't the place for it), I figure someone like Cher can make her own decisions and very likely does make her own decisions on how she presents herself. There's something problematic in the assumption that, as a woman, she or others like her don't make their own decisions because men.

Have to agree with you on everything this time. Well said.

Now about Cher being "sexy". I agree that would probably not be the best word to describe her looks, but when she wears something like this (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/11/article-0-1D025F8000000578-332_634x617.jpg) the outfit would be usually related to sex. Can we say that she dresses in a sexual manner? I don't know if that's a thing in English. Like Miley Cyrus, she's usually showing her body or baring her breasts in a way that's not really sexy, but doing that is automatically connected to sexual in our society, right?
And no, I see absolutely no problem is beign naked, wearing pasties or doing whatever else they want to do.

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[areyoureadytojump]

Thanks to Charter2000 for these sales estimates:

SONGS WEEK 44

Rank - Estimated Sales (m) - TITLE - Artist

01 - 5,35 - UPTOWN FUNK - Mark Ronson
02 - 3,82 - THINKING OUT LOUD - Ed Sheeran
03 - 3,62 - SEE YOU AGAIN - Wiz Khalifa
04 - 3,22 - SUGAR - Maroon 5
05 - 2,84 - SHUT UP AND DANCE - WALK THE MOON
06 - 2,53 - CHEERLEADER - Omi
07 - 2,52 - TRAP QUEEN - Fetty Wap
08 - 2,48 - LOVE ME LIKE YOU DO - Ellie Goulding
09 - 2,45 - BAD BLOOD - Taylor Swift
10 - 2,37 - HONEY, I'M GOOD. - Andy Grammer
11 - 2,22 - FIGHT SONG - Rachel Platten
12 - 2,22 - EARNED IT - The Weeknd
13 - 2,06 - THE HILLS - The Weeknd
14 - 2,05 - TAKE ME TO CHURCH - Hozier
15 - 1,98 - CAN'T FEEL MY FACE - The Weeknd
16 - 1,95 - WATCH ME - Silento
17 - 1,93 - FOURFIVESECONDS - Rihanna and Kanye West and Paul McCartney
18 - 1,84 - GDFR - Flo Rida
19 - 1,80 - BLANK SPACE - Taylor Swift
20 - 1,78 - WANT TO WANT ME - Jason Derulo
21 - 1,71 - GIRL CRUSH - Little Big Town
22 - 1,70 - STYLE - Taylor Swift
23 - 1,67 - TAKE YOUR TIME - Sam Hunt
24 - 1,61 - WORTH IT - Fifth Harmony
25 - 1,56 - HEY MAMA - David Guetta

26 - 1,50 - WHERE ARE Ü NOW - Skrillex & Diplo
27 - 1,48 - LIPS ARE MOVIN - Meghan Trainor
28 - 1,46 - CENTURIES - Fall Out Boy
29 - 1,45 - SHAKE IT OFF - Taylor Swift
30 - 1,44 - LEAN ON - Major Lazer
31 - 1,40 - TALKING BODY - Tove Lo
32 - 1,33 - STITCHES - Shawn Mendes
33 - 1,33 - TIME OF OUR LIVES - Pitbull & Ne-Yo
34 - 1,23 - CHAINS - Nick Jonas
35 - 1,21 - UMA THURMAN - Fall Out Boy
36 - 1,20 - GOOD FOR YOU - Selena Gomez
37 - 1,19 - DEAR FUTURE HUSBAND - Meghan Trainor
38 - 1,17 - 679 - Fetty Wap
39 - 1,11 - HELLO - Adele NEW
40 - 1,11 - HOTLINE BLING - Drake
41 - 1,11 - WHAT DO YOU MEAN - Justin Bieber
42 - 1,11 - PHOTOGRAPH - Ed Sheeran
43 - 1,09 - ALL ABOUT THAT BASS - Meghan Trainor
44 - 1,08 - SOMEBODY - Natalie La Rose
45 - 1,05 - ELASTIC HEART - Sia
46 - 1,03 - YOU KNOW YOU LIKE IT - DJ Snake & AlunaGeorge
47 - 1,03 - LAY ME DOWN - Sam Smith
48 - 1,02 - I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE - Sam Smith
49 - 1,01 - LOCKED AWAY - R. City
50 - 1,01 - WILDEST DREAMS - Taylor Swift
51 - 1,01 - RENEGADES - X Ambassadors

[carreramd]

I was thinking that the sales of Blank Space were more impressive than Bad Blood..

[ry4n]

Blank Space is split between two years. Its total sales are much higher.

[carreramd]

Nov 6, 2015 18:58:54 GMT -5 ry4n said:

Blank Space is split between two years. Its total sales are much higher.

Oh, that's true! Do you have the total numbers?

[ry4n]

Nov 6, 2015 19:19:08 GMT -5 carreramd said:

Nov 6, 2015 18:58:54 GMT -5 ry4n said:

Blank Space is split between two years. Its total sales are much higher.

Oh, that's true! Do you have the total numbers?

According to the 2014 YTD thread on UKMix, it sold about 2.5 million in 2014. So that would be 4.3 million total. Shake It Off is still ahead, though, with around 4.85 million total.