Billboard Hot 100: 11/14/15 (Hello Adele!)

[forg]

With digital sales going down, I thought we would never see the day that a song will sell 1 million in a week, great for Adele!

Also strong for Bieber

Like I'm Gonna Lose You is close to the top 10, already outpeaked Dear Future Husband

[renfield75]

Nov 2, 2015 16:44:13 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

Will Hello be #1 now for the rest of the year?

I could see it being dethroned for a week or two...by another track from 25.

[felipe]

Nov 2, 2015 12:40:27 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Nov 2, 2015 6:37:19 GMT -5 felipe said:

While it's true that female acts are expected to be sexier even at an old age, let's keep in mind that it's not straight men who expect them to be sexy but rather their gay fans. No man cares whether Cher dresses in sexy outfits or not, but she has to do it because that's what her gay fans expect of her. Same for Madonna. Or Britney.

That's because straight men barely even care about older female artists to begin with.

Exactly, straight men dont care about what Cher or Madonna wear, they are expected to dress sexy and be in perfect shape because that's what their gay fans expect from them. So I'm not sure you could call it sexism or what the term should be.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 2, 2015 20:23:32 GMT -5 felipe said:

Nov 2, 2015 12:40:27 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

That's because straight men barely even care about older female artists to begin with.

Exactly, straight men dont care about what Cher or Madonna wear, they are expected to dress sexy and be in perfect shape because that's what their gay fans expect from them. So I'm not sure you could call it sexism or what the term should be.

I mean they don't care about them at all because they don't care about female artists and musicians.

[felipe]

Nov 2, 2015 15:48:05 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Nov 2, 2015 15:40:03 GMT -5 Libra said:

Because in cases like this, you can still clearly determine that it's one single driving all the actual points all by itself. It'd be tantamount to putting a single on the album chart.

I wondered about this too. You could argue that Mark Ronson's album was essentially a single on the album chart, though -- I believe for most of its run the majority of its points came from UF.

Then there are tricky situations were singles are released and then album plans shift or, even worse, songs are dropped from an album entirely or an album is straight up canceled (like Grimes' last album).

And what would you do with Rihanna's last few singles? It's messy. It makes sense to require a real album release at least for now.

But then are these figures included on the first week figures for the album?

[jenglisbe]

Nov 2, 2015 14:28:20 GMT -5 musicrocks said:

Congrats Adele! I don't think many of us ever thought we'd see a single selling 1.1 million copies in a week but she did it.

If her first week sales drop by 60%, her sales will be around 445,000 next week and would replace Ariana Grande's Problem for #10 biggest debut, which is crazy in itself! And looking at Kworb, Hello might not even drop that far. Thoughts?

How can a 2nd week be a debut week?

Nov 2, 2015 15:48:05 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Nov 2, 2015 15:40:03 GMT -5 Libra said:

Because in cases like this, you can still clearly determine that it's one single driving all the actual points all by itself. It'd be tantamount to putting a single on the album chart.

I wondered about this too. You could argue that Mark Ronson's album was essentially a single on the album chart, though -- I believe for most of its run the majority of its points came from UF.

Then there are tricky situations were singles are released and then album plans shift or, even worse, songs are dropped from an album entirely or an album is straight up canceled (like Grimes' last album).

And what would you do with Rihanna's last few singles? It's messy. It makes sense to require a real album release at least for now.

Well, the main reason is that the album isn't technically available yet.

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Nov 2, 2015 20:23:32 GMT -5 felipe said:

Nov 2, 2015 12:40:27 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

That's because straight men barely even care about older female artists to begin with.

Exactly, straight men dont care about what Cher or Madonna wear, they are expected to dress sexy and be in perfect shape because that's what their gay fans expect from them. So I'm not sure you could call it sexism or what the term should be.

Generalization, don't ya?

[DJ General]

Is there an approx. list of how long songs were at #1 for? consecutive days?

Adele is getting ready to finish her 11th day at top. I think she has several more in her..

[Kurt]

Oh good, blanket statements about orientation and musical preference. 2008 called to say "hello, it's me!"

Nov 2, 2015 15:45:06 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Finally, there is AAA, which stands for Adult Album Alternative. It's the rock AC format, essentially. They are also a bit slower moving (though not as bad as AC or Urban AC). They cater to the coffeehouse types. Number one there right now is the "S.O.B." song. Adele is extremely popular on this format. "Hello" is already #2 there on only its 10th day, which is insane.

Eh, I wouldn't compare AAA so closely to AC - it's only slow-moving sometimes due to its small panel size (like 26 stations vs. AC's 90 or so) and large station playlists, and the format regularly has more songs (and full albums!) impacting each week than most of the mainstream formats. Big names generally move quickly toward the top too (Mumford & Sons, Beck, etc.), so Adele doing so isn't a total anomaly (although I doubt it happens nearly as often for female artists as it does for men).

[lyhom]

Nov 1, 2015 21:57:08 GMT -5 erzo01 said:

Oct 30, 2015 21:34:17 GMT -5 erzo01 said:

"Hello" and "Sorry" debuted at #1 and #2, respectively, in the UK. I wonder if this would be replicated here.

They're also the top 2 songs (in the same order) in OZ and NZ. US is most definitely gonna have the same rankings and I wonder if Canada will follow suit.

indeed they did. not the best source but they usually post the cancon from the nielsen report on the canadian hot 100 early so idk

(granted "sorry" debuted at #65 last week so there's no top 2 debuts but it's still pretty impressive)

[Dylan :)]

Not people stereotyping sexuality and music consumption in nearly 2016, after this being discussed already in the Pretty Girls thread..

I hope Same Old Love has a chance at top 10 soon

[velaxti]

The generalisations people are saying about female artists and straight/gay consumers are true for the most part. It is clear as day to me when I see what people listen to in real life, and I'm not surprised other people notice it too. I'm straight and I listen to female artists sometimes, but I'm unusual. I'm one of the exceptions to the generalisation (and even then my music is about 5-10% female, so I fit in with the generalisation anyway, even if I listen to female artists from time to time).

Another generalisation is that you could say "One Direction's fans are mainly females". This generalisation is also clearly true. Who cares if it's 2015? I'm going to tell the truth about what goes on in the world. I'm not going to pretend that One Direction's fanbase is 50% males and 50% females when it clearly isn't. Same goes with straight/guys guys listening to female pop music.

[balletgirlmom]

The issue here is not about how men feel about Cher or Madonna's attire.  That is foolish.  It's about female artists having to still look attractive in some way.  My point initially was female artists from the 1960's who are still around today (not many) still have to look good.  If Tina Turner and Cher were fat or dumpy their careers would have ended back then.  Because they were able to look good and had talent they were able to keep their careers going.  Their male counterparts who had talent as well never had to worry as much about how they looked.  Females in music have it even harder than females in the acting field.  I only used Cher and Tina Turner as examples since the men who came up with them (Paul M, Rod S, Mick J) never had to worry about how they aged.

Right now hot young artists are immune from it.  Taylor is only 25, Adele is just 27 so they have many years to go.  I hope things change down the road and that older women are not held to a different standard as they are now.  Ageism is rampant in the music biz and airplay adds get rough for artists as they get into their 30's.  Once again I hope talented artists in the future can get adds even if they are 40 or 50.

[jtd Thee Stallion]

In another story, "100" is finally #100 lol.

[YourFaveIsAFlop]

Nov 3, 2015 2:09:26 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Not people stereotyping sexuality and music consumption in nearly 2016, after this being discussed already in the Pretty Girls thread..

I mean, it's not like its a secret that acts like Cher and Madonna openly court their gay fanbases. Do you think Cher has been prancing around in Bob Mackie headdresses and pasties to appeal to straight men?

[imbondz]

Nov 3, 2015 6:28:58 GMT -5 velaxti said:

The generalisations people are saying about female artists and straight/gay consumers are true for the most part. It is clear as day to me when I see what people listen to in real life, and I'm not surprised other people notice it too. I'm straight and I listen to female artists sometimes, but I'm unusual. I'm one of the exceptions to the generalisation (and even then my music is about 5-10% female, so I fit in with the generalisation anyway, even if I listen to female artists from time to time).

Another generalisation is that you could say "One Direction's fans are mainly females". This generalisation is also clearly true. Who cares if it's 2015? I'm going to tell the truth about what goes on in the world. I'm not going to pretend that One Direction's fanbase is 50% males and 50% females when it clearly isn't. Same goes with straight/guys guys listening to female pop music.

Aaaaaamen!

[musicrocks]

Nov 2, 2015 14:49:49 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

musicrocks- do you mean No. 10 biggest digital sales week for "Hello's" second week, rather than debut?

You're right. I'm dumb lol

[85la]

Nov 2, 2015 6:37:19 GMT -5 felipe said:

Nov 1, 2015 21:59:55 GMT -5 balletgirlmom said:

Male artists are not expected to be sexy after a certain age.  Sadly women are.  It is not fair but true.  I love artists like Katy Perry, Janet Jackson, Adele, Taylor Swift but no matter how big they are as they age airplay gets more and more difficult.  Even after they go past big airplay years it is hard to even remain relevant.  If male older artists like Paul McCartney or Rod Stewart or Mick Jagger were female they would not be as much in the public eye since they all look old.  For some reason men can look like crap and it is OK.  The only women from the 1960's who were able to work into their 50's and 60's (big arenas) are Tina Turner and Cher.  Of course Tina and Cher were still expected to be sexy.  If Cher tours next year as she plans (at age 70) she will still need to wear sexy things.  Her male counterparts like Paul M or Rob S or Elton J and Mick J do not need to worry about it.  None of us want to see them shirtless, right.

While it's true that female acts are expected to be sexier even at an old age, let's keep in mind that it's not straight men who expect them to be sexy but rather their gay fans. No man cares whether Cher dresses in sexy outfits or not, but she has to do it because that's what her gay fans expect of her. Same for Madonna. Or Britney.

Sorry, but this is flat out homophobic. Gay males aren't attracted to women sexually, so why would they want them to look sexy! Most of the leaders and decision makers in the music industry are still straight men, who control female images based on what they think the public wants or respond to, which consists of all types of people - gay, straight, male, female, young, old.... Although I would argue that older female pop starts are pressured to look not so much sexy, but more beautiful, attractive, stylish, etc.

[Gary]

The stereotyping discussion of what gay/straight men do and don't listen to is amusing.

On the related topic of ageism. Older people males & females alike are less likely to score big hits not because of their gender or sexuality or the sexual orientation of their perceived audience but I think it has more to do with the age of the audience that determines the "hits".

If you are a teenager, are you more likely to listen to someone "young and hip" or are you likely to gravitate towards someone your mom or grandma liked when they were kids?

[felipe]

Nov 3, 2015 11:28:57 GMT -5 85la said:

Nov 2, 2015 6:37:19 GMT -5 felipe said:

While it's true that female acts are expected to be sexier even at an old age, let's keep in mind that it's not straight men who expect them to be sexy but rather their gay fans. No man cares whether Cher dresses in sexy outfits or not, but she has to do it because that's what her gay fans expect of her. Same for Madonna. Or Britney.

Sorry, but this is flat out homophobic. Gay males aren't attracted to women sexually, so why would they want them to look sexy! Most of the leaders and decision makers in the music industry are still straight men, who control female images based on what they think the public wants or respond to, which consists of all types of people - gay, straight, male, female, young, old.... Although I would argue that older female pop starts are pressured to look not so much sexy, but more beautiful, attractive, stylish, etc.

I never said that gay men are sexually attracted to female popstars. I do believe a lot of them expect these women to be super sexy and barely clothed though. Do you think Cher would be able to keep her gay fanbase if she got really fat or stopped trying to look young? Same goes for Madonna. Would Miley Cyrus still have such a large fanbase if she stopped being so sexy and naked? Or Gaga? We can't know for sure, but we can surely see the connection between all these female acts and compare them to the ones whose fanbase isn't mostly gay (such as Adele, Florence, Taylor, etc)

Nov 2, 2015 22:49:45 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Nov 2, 2015 20:23:32 GMT -5 felipe said:

Exactly, straight men dont care about what Cher or Madonna wear, they are expected to dress sexy and be in perfect shape because that's what their gay fans expect from them. So I'm not sure you could call it sexism or what the term should be.

Generalization, don't ya?

Of course, but every time we talk here about sexism, ageism, or culture in general we rely on generalization. So now we can't generalize just because the word "gay" is in the sentence?

[ry4n]

But why would gays only be fans of female popstars if they're slim and sexy? That literally makes no sense.

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Nov 3, 2015 13:15:32 GMT -5 felipe said:

Nov 3, 2015 11:28:57 GMT -5 85la said:

Sorry, but this is flat out homophobic. Gay males aren't attracted to women sexually, so why would they want them to look sexy! Most of the leaders and decision makers in the music industry are still straight men, who control female images based on what they think the public wants or respond to, which consists of all types of people - gay, straight, male, female, young, old.... Although I would argue that older female pop starts are pressured to look not so much sexy, but more beautiful, attractive, stylish, etc.

I never said that gay men are sexually attracted to female popstars. I do believe a lot of them expect these women to be super sexy and barely clothed though. Do you think Cher would be able to keep her gay fanbase if she got really fat or stopped trying to look young? Same goes for Madonna. Would Miley Cyrus still have such a large fanbase if she stopped being so sexy and naked? Or Gaga? We can't know for sure, but we can surely see the connection between all these female acts and compare them to the ones whose fanbase isn't mostly gay (such as Adele, Florence, Taylor, etc)

You're not gay, so you have not a lot to say huh?
Take me as an example, I DO love Gaga (though not the favorite), admire Madonna and even think Miley Cyrus does have artistic talent (wrecking ball is excellent video!)
However, it's not exactly how less clothes they're wearing make me admire them, but instead their provocative and rebellious and unique persona and all. You know in general they're totally valued by me right?

[YourFaveIsAFlop]

Nov 3, 2015 13:26:26 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

You're not gay, so you have not a lot to say huh?
Take me as an example, I DO love Gaga (though not the favorite), admire Madonna and even think Miley Cyrus does have artistic talent (wrecking ball is excellent video!)
However, it's not exactly how less clothes they're wearing make me admire them, but instead their provocative and rebellious and unique persona and all. You know in general they're totally valued by me right?

But their clothes/personas are how they convey that.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 3, 2015 7:10:14 GMT -5 balletgirlmom said:

The issue here is not about how men feel about Cher or Madonna's attire.  That is foolish.  It's about female artists having to still look attractive in some way.  My point initially was female artists from the 1960's who are still around today (not many) still have to look good.  If Tina Turner and Cher were fat or dumpy their careers would have ended back then.  Because they were able to look good and had talent they were able to keep their careers going.  Their male counterparts who had talent as well never had to worry as much about how they looked.  Females in music have it even harder than females in the acting field.  I only used Cher and Tina Turner as examples since the men who came up with them (Paul M, Rod S, Mick J) never had to worry about how they aged.

Right now hot young artists are immune from it.  Taylor is only 25, Adele is just 27 so they have many years to go.  I hope things change down the road and that older women are not held to a different standard as they are now.  Ageism is rampant in the music biz and airplay adds get rough for artists as they get into their 30's.  Once again I hope talented artists in the future can get adds even if they are 40 or 50.

A lot of it has to do with what is considered attractive anyway. I know people who have said Mick Jagger is sexy as hell. It's how male and female sexiness is perceived and women is expected to look and present themselves a certain way, but so are men. Granted, men can let themselves go more than women can but that's more to do with men being considered attractive in ways beyond looks whereas women tend to be judged primarily on how they look.

Regarding Tina, Cher, etc. Blaming their gay fans is not really accurate. Gay men don't demand their pop divas dress a certain way. But a lot of gay men do get empowerment from strong women anyway and Tina and Cher continuing to dress sexy shoes confidence. Gay men like women who are confident, not sexy, but for women a lot of the time the two go hand in hand.

[felipe]

Nov 3, 2015 13:26:26 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

Nov 3, 2015 13:15:32 GMT -5 felipe said:

I never said that gay men are sexually attracted to female popstars. I do believe a lot of them expect these women to be super sexy and barely clothed though. Do you think Cher would be able to keep her gay fanbase if she got really fat or stopped trying to look young? Same goes for Madonna. Would Miley Cyrus still have such a large fanbase if she stopped being so sexy and naked? Or Gaga? We can't know for sure, but we can surely see the connection between all these female acts and compare them to the ones whose fanbase isn't mostly gay (such as Adele, Florence, Taylor, etc)

You're not gay, so you have not a lot to say huh?
Take me as an example, I DO love Gaga (though not the favorite), admire Madonna and even think Miley Cyrus does have artistic talent (wrecking ball is excellent video!)
However, it's not exactly how less clothes they're wearing make me admire them, but instead their provocative and rebellious and unique persona and all. You know in general they're totally valued by me right?

But Lorde is provocative and rebellious, and she doesn't seem to have nearly as many gay fans as Ariana Grande, who doesn't really try to sell a rebellious image at all. And Ariana's gay following seemed to only grow after her outfits got smaller.

I don't know what the reason for this is, and i'm not saying it's sexual attraction, but it seems that gay men would rather stan for a sexy woman/girl than for an actual man, like Bieber for instance.

[felipe]

Nov 3, 2015 13:24:16 GMT -5 ry4n said:

But why would gays only be fans of female popstars if they're slim and sexy? That literally makes no sense.

Just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it's not true, does it? Have you never read the amount of complaint by gay fans whenever Christina Aguilera puts on weight? Or the amount of compliments whenever Jennifer Lopez puts on a revealing dress and people on Pulse go "Flawless" or "Perfect" for two whole pages?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 3, 2015 13:50:02 GMT -5 felipe said:

Nov 3, 2015 13:26:26 GMT -5 THINKIN BOUT YOU said:

You're not gay, so you have not a lot to say huh?
Take me as an example, I DO love Gaga (though not the favorite), admire Madonna and even think Miley Cyrus does have artistic talent (wrecking ball is excellent video!)
However, it's not exactly how less clothes they're wearing make me admire them, but instead their provocative and rebellious and unique persona and all. You know in general they're totally valued by me right?

But Lorde is provocative and rebellious, and she doesn't seem to have nearly as many gay fans as Ariana Grande, who doesn't really try to sell a rebellious image at all. And Ariana's gay following seemed to only grow after her outfits got smaller.

I can only speak from experience based on who I know (which is probably more than you can tbh) but Lorde is definitely more liked by the gay men I know than Ariana.

Nov 3, 2015 13:54:05 GMT -5 felipe said:

Nov 3, 2015 13:24:16 GMT -5 ry4n said:

But why would gays only be fans of female popstars if they're slim and sexy? That literally makes no sense.

Just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it's not true, does it? Have you never read the amount of complaint by gay fans whenever Christina Aguilera puts on weight? Or the amount of compliments whenever Jennifer Lopez puts on a revealing dress and people on Pulse go "Flawless" or "Perfect" for two whole pages?

Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

People don't say flawless because a dress is revealing. Do you actually seriously believe that or do you just like digging holes in the ground?

[ry4n]

Nov 3, 2015 13:54:05 GMT -5 felipe said:

Nov 3, 2015 13:24:16 GMT -5 ry4n said:

But why would gays only be fans of female popstars if they're slim and sexy? That literally makes no sense.

Just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it's not true, does it? Have you never read the amount of complaint by gay fans whenever Christina Aguilera puts on weight? Or the amount of compliments whenever Jennifer Lopez puts on a revealing dress and people on Pulse go "Flawless" or "Perfect" for two whole pages?

I think I've seen Christina criticized more for her off-putting personality than her weight gains. But, of course, this is all just anecdotal evidence. We can't just make generalizations for an entire demographic based on our own personal experiences... I don't remember Kelly losing all her gay fans when she gained weight; for instance.

[THINKIN BOUT YOU]

Nov 3, 2015 13:54:05 GMT -5 felipe said:

Nov 3, 2015 13:24:16 GMT -5 ry4n said:

But why would gays only be fans of female popstars if they're slim and sexy? That literally makes no sense.

Just because it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it's not true, does it? Have you never read the amount of complaint by gay fans whenever Christina Aguilera puts on weight? Or the amount of compliments whenever Jennifer Lopez puts on a revealing dress and people on Pulse go "Flawless" or "Perfect" for two whole pages?

All I'm saying is people's difference in values. I'm a member of gays but I couldn't care less about Jennifer Lopez's revealing dress for I'd rather hear more good music and stuff.. Maybe I don't know about the others but I feel like you all are stereotyping people huh?

[Gary]

They are slotting people into categories based on their perception of what that category should be. It is total stereotyping.

Counter examples to everything, though.


All here are chart watchers with exposure to all sorts of music, so lots of counter examples among people who post here.

If for instance, we say that all 18 year old gay males love Cher and Madonna, I will bet you will come up with an 18 year old gay male here who does not.


Because we are all chart watchers with exposure to all sorts of music, if we say all 25 year old straight men hate Britney Spears, you will likely find someone here who is straight that likes Britney Spears.

Fruitless discussion from that end because no one will agree with everyone.