Billboard Hot 100: 05/14/2016

[MTSChart21]

Apr 27, 2016 1:41:35 GMT -5 Landmarx said:

Apr 27, 2016 1:40:08 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

Panda is the current #1

iTunes says that Format and a bunch of Prince and Lemonade songs are above it in sales. How is that possible?

You're cracking me up! 

[Dylan :)]

5 pages and it hasn't even been 24 hours.

Anyway, I don't see Formation going to #1, at least not right now. I think sometimes people just assume that every song at #1 on iTunes with a big lead will go to #1 then on the Hot 100. Of course in two weeks if it is still #1 on iTunes and her label take advantage of that it may, but other that I imagine it will start falling soon. Top 10 is still really good for her right now seeing as her last few singles following Drunk In Love missed it (although her release strategies don't help, 7/11 probably would have gotten it had the video been released at the start of the tracking week, and this would have gotten it a few months ago after the video)

[Landmarx]

Apr 27, 2016 1:44:06 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

5 pages and it hasn't even been 24 hours.

Anyway, I don't see Formation going to #1, at least not right now. I think sometimes people just assume that every song at #1 on iTunes with a big lead will go to #1 then on the Hot 100. Of course in two weeks if it is still #1 on iTunes and her label take advantage of that it may, but other that I imagine it will start falling soon. Top 10 is still really good for her right now seeing as her last few singles following Drunk In Love missed it (although her release strategies don't help, 7/11 probably would have gotten it had the video been released at the start of the tracking week, and this would have gotten it a few months ago after the video)

Isn't Format an old song? I don't see it hitting #1, most people bought it after the football game.

[Lozzy]

To those who've been wondering about Prince's airplay, this is what his Mediabase airplay from CHR+HAC+AC+Rhythmic+Urban+UAC+Alt+Triple A added up looks like currently (Tuesday-Monday):

PRINCE - When Doves Cry: 41.163
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION - Kiss: 34.778
PRINCE - 1999: 34.449
PRINCE - Purple Rain: 30.984
PRINCE - Little Red Corvette: 28.354
PRINCE - Let's Go Crazy: 26.021
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION - Raspberry Beret: 25.966
PRINCE - I Wanna Be Your Lover: 23.898
PRINCE - I Would Die 4 U: 17.736
PRINCE & THE N.P.G. - Diamonds And Pearls: 12.846

But most of that falls into last week's tracking week. This is from 2 days before (Sunday-Saturday, so all under last week I believe):

PRINCE - When Doves Cry: 37.043
PRINCE - 1999: 31.826
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION - Kiss: 31.688
PRINCE - Purple Rain: 27.542
PRINCE - Little Red Corvette: 25.223
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION - Raspberry Beret: 23.484
PRINCE - Let's Go Crazy: 23.307
PRINCE - I Wanna Be Your Lover: 21.261
PRINCE - I Would Die 4 U: 15.86
PRINCE & THE N.P.G. - Diamonds And Pearls: 10.652

This suggests to me that Purple Rain will get 10-15 million at most, unless it's got strong airplay on other minor formats or something.

[jtd Thee Stallion]

This thread got fucked while I was asleep

[emperortigerstar]

Apr 27, 2016 2:00:36 GMT -5 Lozzy said:

To those who've been wondering about Prince's airplay, this is what his Mediabase airplay from CHR+HAC+AC+Rhythmic+Urban+UAC+Alt+Triple A added up looks like currently (Tuesday-Monday):

PRINCE - When Doves Cry: 41.163
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION - Kiss: 34.778
PRINCE - 1999: 34.449
PRINCE - Purple Rain: 30.984
PRINCE - Little Red Corvette: 28.354
PRINCE - Let's Go Crazy: 26.021
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION - Raspberry Beret: 25.966
PRINCE - I Wanna Be Your Lover: 23.898
PRINCE - I Would Die 4 U: 17.736
PRINCE & THE N.P.G. - Diamonds And Pearls: 12.846

But most of that falls into last week's tracking week. This is from 2 days before (Sunday-Saturday, so all under last week I believe):

PRINCE - When Doves Cry: 37.043
PRINCE - 1999: 31.826
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION - Kiss: 31.688
PRINCE - Purple Rain: 27.542
PRINCE - Little Red Corvette: 25.223
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION - Raspberry Beret: 23.484
PRINCE - Let's Go Crazy: 23.307
PRINCE - I Wanna Be Your Lover: 21.261
PRINCE - I Would Die 4 U: 15.86
PRINCE & THE N.P.G. - Diamonds And Pearls: 10.652

This suggests to me that Purple Rain will get 10-15 million at most, unless it's got strong airplay on other minor formats or something.

Interesting. So airplay is going up, which is good.

[jenglisbe]

Why are people talking about "PR" falling to #8 when it's also #40 and has other 'versions' as well because it's on several albums/collections? It's still one of the top overall sellers and is by no means falling fast.

[MTSChart21]

Credit to: www.kworb.net/airadio

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Great update for ITAPII! :)

And it looks like Lukas should be getting that #1 spot on Friday

Oh, and Drake is still putting up great gains! (And so is PILLOWTALK, for some reason)

[Gary]

Off to a fine start. Last week's thread ballooned to 18 pages. well on our way to topping that this time.

[Future Captain]

I think Panda is going to be #1 again this week, with Purple Rain somewhere between #2-4. In 21/05 chart, fingers crossed Drake will be #1.

[Au$tin]

Apr 27, 2016 2:00:36 GMT -5 Lozzy said:

To those who've been wondering about Prince's airplay, this is what his Mediabase airplay from CHR+HAC+AC+Rhythmic+Urban+UAC+Alt+Triple A added up looks like currently (Tuesday-Monday):

PRINCE - When Doves Cry: 41.163
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION - Kiss: 34.778
PRINCE - 1999: 34.449
PRINCE - Purple Rain: 30.984
PRINCE - Little Red Corvette: 28.354
PRINCE - Let's Go Crazy: 26.021
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION - Raspberry Beret: 25.966
PRINCE - I Wanna Be Your Lover: 23.898
PRINCE - I Would Die 4 U: 17.736
PRINCE & THE N.P.G. - Diamonds And Pearls: 12.846

But most of that falls into last week's tracking week. This is from 2 days before (Sunday-Saturday, so all under last week I believe):

PRINCE - When Doves Cry: 37.043
PRINCE - 1999: 31.826
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION - Kiss: 31.688
PRINCE - Purple Rain: 27.542
PRINCE - Little Red Corvette: 25.223
PRINCE AND THE REVOLUTION - Raspberry Beret: 23.484
PRINCE - Let's Go Crazy: 23.307
PRINCE - I Wanna Be Your Lover: 21.261
PRINCE - I Would Die 4 U: 15.86
PRINCE & THE N.P.G. - Diamonds And Pearls: 10.652

This suggests to me that Purple Rain will get 10-15 million at most, unless it's got strong airplay on other minor formats or something.

LOZZY?!?! Hast thou bestowed thy return to us?

[Mike is BAD]

Apr 27, 2016 9:49:26 GMT -5 Future Captain said:

I think Panda is going to be #1 again this week, with Purple Rain somewhere between #2-4. In 21/05 chart, fingers crossed Drake will be #1.

Idk bout that:

5/14:
1. Purple Rain
2. Panda
3. One Dance

5/21:
1. Panda
2. One Dance
3. 7 Years

5/28:
1. One Dance
2. Panda
3. ITAPII? WFH? One of those

[Deleted]

Apr 27, 2016 6:42:45 GMT -5 jtd Thee Stallion said:

This thread got f**ked while I was asleep

True, but it was a fun read  :kii:

[Deleted]

Y'all say you aren't racist but have any of you bought an Ariana Grande album?

[badrobot]

Libra and Kurt -- gentle requests to get people back on topic aren't working. These threads remain ridiculous, and the people who have been coming here for years for thoughtful discussion of the charts are being completely edged out. Please take some kind of more severe action to help get this under control.

I don't mind if that means there's a "Hot 100 stat discussion" thread and a "Hot 100 shoot-the-shit" thread, as long as there is some way to address this. Thanks in advance.

[emperortigerstar]

Apr 27, 2016 8:24:21 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Why are people talking about "PR" falling to #8 when it's also #40 and has other 'versions' as well because it's on several albums/collections? It's still one of the top overall sellers and is by no means falling fast.

Actually...I am curious. Would all versions be counted under the same for the charts? I imagine so. And if Kworb is the iTunes charts does it combine the versions together or not?

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Apr 27, 2016 12:32:09 GMT -5 emperortigerstar said:

Apr 27, 2016 8:24:21 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Why are people talking about "PR" falling to #8 when it's also #40 and has other 'versions' as well because it's on several albums/collections? It's still one of the top overall sellers and is by no means falling fast.

Actually...I am curious. Would all versions be counted under the same for the charts? I imagine so. And if Kworb is the iTunes charts does it combine the versions together or not?

all versions count as one.  and kworb only combines them on the weekly estimates, not on the continuous chart (which simply mimics itunes' own continuous chart).

[Dylan :)]

There has been 6 #1 songs so far this year. Just as a simple comparison, this time last year there had been 3, 2014 there had been 4, 2013 there had been 5, 2012 there had been 7, 2011 there had been 7 and in 2010 there had been 5. Hopefully this turnover continues (or speeds up even more)!

[emperortigerstar]

Apr 27, 2016 12:34:59 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Apr 27, 2016 12:32:09 GMT -5 emperortigerstar said:

Actually...I am curious. Would all versions be counted under the same for the charts? I imagine so. And if Kworb is the iTunes charts does it combine the versions together or not?

all versions count as one.  and kworb only combines them on the weekly estimates, not on the continuous chart.  that simply mimics itunes' own chart.

Ok thanks.

Also I'm not sure how many use iTunes compared to other platforms, but in 2013 AmazonMP3 had around 22% of the digital music share according to geekwire. Google Play I imagine also rivals iTunes with a much likely larger market share than AmazonMP3. So these two platforms should be taken into account along with iTunes. Purple Rain is currently number 1 on both of those charts as of right now. Formation is 9 on Amazon and not available yet on Google play. One Dance is 9 on Google and 34 on Amazon. Purple Rain still has this.

[therealstan123]

I think Purple Rain will get #4. Kworb's just updated the prediction: 288k. It's plummeting like crazy.

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Apr 27, 2016 12:36:24 GMT -5 emperortigerstar said:

Apr 27, 2016 12:34:59 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

all versions count as one.  and kworb only combines them on the weekly estimates, not on the continuous chart.  that simply mimics itunes' own chart.

Ok thanks.

Also I'm not sure how many use iTunes compared to other platforms, but in 2013 AmazonMP3 had around 22% of the digital music share according to geekwire. Google Play I imagine also rivals iTunes with a much likely larger market share than AmazonMP3. So these two platforms should be taken into account along with iTunes. Purple Rain is currently number 1 on both of those charts as of right now. Formation is 9 on Amazon and not available yet on Google play. One Dance is 9 on Google and 34 on Amazon. Purple Rain still has this.

It's so hard to tell - lots of variables.  I honestly didn't anticipate PR being #17 on this week's H100.  That was considerably higher than I anticipated - as I had no real gauge for its 3.5 days of airplay which also counted.  So just based on how well it performed on this week's H100, I feel like PR may just pull off #1 on next week's chart.  Even if it doesn't get #1 - it's ultimately only because its sales were split between weeks.

[jenglisbe]

Apr 27, 2016 12:50:43 GMT -5 therealstan123 said:

I think Purple Rain will get #4. Kworb's just updated the prediction: 288k. It's plummeting like crazy.

Saying it's "plummeting like crazy" is an overstatement. The top 'version' is still the #2 song outside of Lemonade songs. It's combined sales still makes it one of the very top-selling songs. It's not like it has fallen out of the top 20.

Also, what we still don't know is whether the YouTube views of some of the live performances will count. These are all categorized under Music and have millions of views (most from the past week):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8BMm6Jn6oU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsRUAoUvP10
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsdR8eycRys

[popstop]

Lozzy, pls come back!

When Purple Rain enters the top 10, it will be an almost 32 year gap since it was last in the top 10. I'm going to guess Prince returning would be a record gap. I think Stand By Me holds the record currently.

I'm trying to think of songs that returned to the top 10 after a long gap. I know Whitney had the gap of 19 years with IWALY. And I can also think of Bohemian Rhapsody and Monster Mash. Any others?

[Deleted]

Apr 27, 2016 14:02:10 GMT -5 popstop said:

Lozzy , pls come back!

When Purple Rain enters the top 10, it will be an almost 32 year gap since it was last in the top 10. I'm going to guess Prince returning would be a record gap. I think Stand By Me holds the record currently.

I'm trying to think of songs that returned to the top 10 after a long gap. I know Whitney had the gap of 19 years with IWALY. And I can also think of Bohemian Rhapsody and Monster Mash. Any others?

The Twist.  And then there's Candle In The Wind (1987 and 1997) - but they were different recordings.

[Gary]

Apr 22, 2016 6:51:49 GMT -5 Gary said:

Another thing to watch for ---- songs in chart history that have hit the top 10 twice

The Twist - Chubby Checker #1 in 1960, #1 again in 1962
Monster Mash - Bobby "Boris" Picket #1 in 1962, #10 in 1973
Stand By Me - Ben E King #4 in 1961, #9 in 1986
Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen #9 in 1976, #2 in 1992
I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston #1 in 1992, #3 in 2012

Others that hit in different versions

Breaking Up Is Hard To Do - Neil Sedaka #1 in 1962, #8 in 1975
Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me - Elton John (and George Michael w/ Elton John) #2 in 1974, #1 in 1992
We Are The World (#1 in 1985, #2 in 2010)

Candle In The Wind - Elton John (#6 1988 --- live original version, #1 1997 - Princess Diana remake)

Walk Don't Run - Ventures #2 1960, #8 1964

found this in a prior post -- also added the Ventures song

[renfield75]

I've been a hardcore Prince fan since I was 9 (in 1984) and a Hot 100 watcher every week since I was 15 (in 1990). I REEEEAAAAALLLLY hope "Purple Rain" reaches #1 this week. It would help make this past week slightly less horrible. Desiigner and Drake and Beyonce can have many more weeks on top afterward, but I just want this one week.

[Mike is BAD]

Apr 27, 2016 15:31:49 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

I've been a hardcore Prince fan since I was 9 (in 1984) and a Hot 100 watcher every week since I was 15 (in 1990). I REEEEAAAAALLLLY hope "Purple Rain" reaches #1 this week. It would help make this past week slightly less horrible. Desiigner and Drake and Beyonce can have many more weeks on top afterward, but I just want this one week.

Same!

[Envoirment]

Apr 27, 2016 12:50:43 GMT -5 therealstan123 said:

I think Purple Rain will get #4. Kworb's just updated the prediction: 288k. It's plummeting like crazy.

It's selling around the same as Drake now or a little more once you combine all versions.

Not sure how accurate Kworb is but it sold almost 200k on Friday/Saturday sales alone and still had a massive lead on Sunday and a large one for most of Monday. Can't see it selling less than 300k this week.

[Mike is BAD]

Apr 27, 2016 16:35:10 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Apr 27, 2016 12:50:43 GMT -5 therealstan123 said:

I think Purple Rain will get #4. Kworb's just updated the prediction: 288k. It's plummeting like crazy.

It's selling around the same as Drake now or a little more once you combine all versions.

Not sure how accurate Kworb is but it sold almost 200k on Friday/Saturday sales alone and still had a massive lead on Sunday and a large one for most of Monday. Can't see it selling less than 300k this week.

288,000 sales is still a lot!

[Lukino]

1 One Dance
2 Purple Rain
3 Panda
4 7 Years
5 Work

Formation will be on 8-9th place imo and we will say goodbye to NO :'(