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Post by forg on May 3, 2016 21:20:20 GMT -5
Well hate to say it but Beyonce is in her 30s and her age is likely a factor too because for some reason pop radio usually leans younger especially for solo acts. Her last big pop play was Run the World (Girls) and that didn't do that well. Anyway, I think Beyonce saw that as a sign that going big for singles might not be the best anymore and she is smart for focusing on her album as a whole and not just lean on hit singles. She's on a different level now.
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Post by Au$tin on May 3, 2016 21:21:49 GMT -5
The other issue with Beyonce and pop radio (that it seems a lot of people hate to mention) is that she's getting old. I don't mean her actual age...she's 34...but she's been a superstar on pop radio for nearly 20 years now. Even as a solo artist she's 13 years in. Few people dominate as radio stars for that long. Madonna had a solid run from 1983/4 to 2000 with "Music" but after that even her catchiest singles had a hard time getting real radio traction. It's okay though. Her sales are strong and she's long past ever having to worry about being a "has-been". Once you hit icon/legend status you don't need radio anymore. And then there's P!nk, having zero trouble with a random soundtrack single on airplay and it's been 16.5 years since the release of her debut single. |
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Post by Your Faves Fave. on May 3, 2016 21:22:40 GMT -5
Beyoncé doesn't make music that Top 40 wants to play. It's really just that simple.
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Post by forg on May 3, 2016 21:24:49 GMT -5
The other issue with Beyonce and pop radio (that it seems a lot of people hate to mention) is that she's getting old. I don't mean her actual age...she's 34...but she's been a superstar on pop radio for nearly 20 years now. Even as a solo artist she's 13 years in. Few people dominate as radio stars for that long. Madonna had a solid run from 1983/4 to 2000 with "Music" but after that even her catchiest singles had a hard time getting real radio traction. It's okay though. Her sales are strong and she's long past ever having to worry about being a "has-been". Once you hit icon/legend status you don't need radio anymore. And then there's P!nk, having zero trouble with a random soundtrack single on airplay and it's been 16.5 years since the release of her debut single. And Pink was such a different artist when she started, her career longevity is amazing |
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Post by DJ General on May 3, 2016 21:49:30 GMT -5
This is just a different time for music, and artists are doing different things. It is an incredible time to be alive. If you would have told me even in 2010 that Beyonce would release 2 essentially surprise albums I would have never believed an A-list artist would do this
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Post by rimetm on May 3, 2016 22:07:28 GMT -5
If you told me a few years back that a gritty, semi-artsy album would thrive almost entirely on streaming platforms (~50 raw copies this week. JUST 50!) and it would come from an A-lister like Kanye (who I would know back then for fluff like Heartless and Stronger), I would've scoffed.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 22:51:46 GMT -5
Hymn for the Weekend hasn't gone for adds yet, at least on Pop. There are 3 Rihanna singles right now (Needed Me, Kiss It Better, TIWYCF), which one do you mean? (I'm guessing TIWYCF) Probably Too Good, which is a new song from Drake's album featuring Rihanna (totally sounds like a hit). Speaking of Rihanna, unless there's some promo soon, Kiss It Better will die. It was easily overshadowed by Needed Me, but now it also has to share the Pop spotlight with the Calvin collaboration. I'm pretty sure Kiss It Better is gonna do just fine, if a little slow climbing up the charts. It's probably gonna be replacing Needed Me when that song starts fading. Right now it's in a similar position to Ride. Decent gains, but somewhat blocked by the Prince/Beyonce wall. It's gonna jump quite a bit over the next couple weeks. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on May 3, 2016 23:35:58 GMT -5
Drake has got to be #1 this week. I honestly cannot believe Panda is #1. I listened to it one time and thought it was a f**king joke. This is the first time in a long time I've been mad at a #1 It's basically a brand new genre of music. It's still Hip-Hop, but so far removed from traditional Hip-Hop. You can't make a type of music that is new and innovative without turning off a portion of people. I know Desiigner is essentially a Future rip-off, but I'm guessing you don't listen to Future either or what? If it was a Future or Young Thug song, it would probably rank as one of their better songs. |
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Post by Enigma. on May 4, 2016 2:44:06 GMT -5
Beyoncé doesn't make music that Top 40 wants to play. It's really just that simple. It's just sad that one of the most iconic hitmakers (and #1 artist on Hot 100 of the 00s btw) faces this challenge already now when hip hop IS practically pop and she's making music that connects with audience better than ever. |
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Post by Glove Slap on May 4, 2016 3:07:21 GMT -5
Beyoncé doesn't make music that Top 40 wants to play. It's really just that simple. It's just sad that one of the most iconic hitmakers (and #1 artist on Hot 100 of the 00s btw) faces this challenge already now when hip hop IS practically pop and she's making music that connects with audience better than ever. Just because it's connecting with an audience, doesn't mean it's connecting with the CHR audience. It's simple as that. She's sent several singles to CHR over the past 5 years and they've all been met with bad callout and response. There's no reason for a format to automatically give an artist hits when their specific audience clearly doesn't like hearing them on their stations. It's nothing to do with their general opinion of her. And saying "hip hop is pop" is just an uninformed statement. Hip-hop, like other genres, has many sub-styles within. There's a major difference between the type of Hip-Hop flavored track that may cross over to CHR and get a good response, and something like 7/11 and Formation. |
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Post by Enigma. on May 4, 2016 4:41:01 GMT -5
Well maybe it's just me because in Finland all main pop stations just play what is popular, at least on certain level. It seems very different and complicated in the States.
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Post by ry4n on May 4, 2016 5:52:02 GMT -5
Pop has been hesitant to play her for a while. Halo and Sweet Dreams both took like 4-5 months to reach their peaks. And I don't think she's had a top 10 hit on pop since then, Telephone aside.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on May 4, 2016 5:54:07 GMT -5
Beyoncé doesn't make music that Top 40 wants to play. It's really just that simple. It's just sad that one of the most iconic hitmakers (and #1 artist on Hot 100 of the 00s btw) faces this challenge already now when hip hop IS practically pop and she's making music that connects with audience better than ever. What measurement ranks Beyonce as #1 in the 2000's decade? It doesn't sound unreasonable, just curious. |
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Post by Glove Slap on May 4, 2016 5:55:33 GMT -5
Well maybe it's just me because in Finland all main pop stations just play what is popular, at least on certain level. It seems very different and complicated in the States. It is. US radio is a lot more compartmentalized and specifically marketed than European radio stations. When I lived in Switzerland, I noticed the difference as well. They're not good comparisons to make. It's just sad that one of the most iconic hitmakers (and #1 artist on Hot 100 of the 00s btw) faces this challenge already now when hip hop IS practically pop and she's making music that connects with audience better than ever. What measurement ranks Beyonce as #1 in the 2000's decade? It doesn't sound unreasonable, just curious. Billboard did. When they did their end of decade charts for the 00s, she was the #1 Hot 100 artist, and #4 overall (top female). |
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Post by Future Captain on May 4, 2016 5:57:26 GMT -5
My country's big radio stations practically copy Australian hits, so it's :v
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Post by ry4n on May 4, 2016 6:27:20 GMT -5
Yeah, US radio is all about putting artists into boxes. Radio rewards artists for being unimaginative and homogeneous and punishes them if they want to transcend genres and go left-field. Just about every track on Beyonce's last 2 albums doesn't sound like anything else on pop radio at the moment, so that's why they're struggling. It's also why many European hits don't crossover to the US - they don't neatly fit into any box.
But this is one of the reasons why Beyonce's last 2 albums have gotten so much praise - they show that she refuses to be boxed in. She just does her own thing and couldn't care less about following current pop trends to appease pop radio.
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Post by Future Captain on May 4, 2016 8:26:00 GMT -5
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Post by pnobelysk on May 4, 2016 8:31:44 GMT -5
Well hate to say it but Beyonce is in her 30s and her age is likely a factor too because for some reason pop radio usually leans younger especially for solo acts. Her last big pop play was Run the World (Girls) and that didn't do that well. Anyway, I think Beyonce saw that as a sign that going big for singles might not be the best anymore and she is smart for focusing on her album as a whole and not just lean on hit singles. She's on a different level now. Best thing I never had , drunk in love , and xo all got better pop play than girls and came out after it as well |
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Post by renfield75 on May 4, 2016 9:12:26 GMT -5
The other issue with Beyonce and pop radio (that it seems a lot of people hate to mention) is that she's getting old. I don't mean her actual age...she's 34...but she's been a superstar on pop radio for nearly 20 years now. Even as a solo artist she's 13 years in. Few people dominate as radio stars for that long. Madonna had a solid run from 1983/4 to 2000 with "Music" but after that even her catchiest singles had a hard time getting real radio traction. It's okay though. Her sales are strong and she's long past ever having to worry about being a "has-been". Once you hit icon/legend status you don't need radio anymore. And then there's P!nk, having zero trouble with a random soundtrack single on airplay and it's been 16.5 years since the release of her debut single. Pink is her own phenomenon for sure. While Beyonce was dominating the pop culture conversation Pink quietly racked up a long list of hits. Of course Pink is huge too, but she was never the absolute biggest thing in music at any one point in her career (like Britney or Beyonce were at the time). Honestly I think not being so closely identified with any one specific moment or era has helped her in the long run. She's one of those artists that the casual music fan doesn't realize just how many of her songs they know. |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on May 4, 2016 9:22:29 GMT -5
So, will Radiohead's "Burn the Witch" chart this week?
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Post by MTSChart21 on May 4, 2016 10:20:50 GMT -5
Am I the only one that notices the fact that Florida Georgia Line's "H.O.L.Y" could be getting 120k+ sales?
Since when has a country song gotten this much sales on iTunes in one week? (Well probably Stapleton, but that was because of a performance though)
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Post by Future Captain on May 4, 2016 10:28:21 GMT -5
Am I the only one that notices the fact that Florida Georgia Line's "H.O.L.Y" could be getting 120k+ sales? Since when has a country song gotten this much sales on iTunes in one week? (Well probably Stapleton, but that was because of a performance though) Well, you answered your own question  |
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Post by MTSChart21 on May 4, 2016 10:29:33 GMT -5
Am I the only one that notices the fact that Florida Georgia Line's "H.O.L.Y" could be getting 120k+ sales? Since when has a country song gotten this much sales on iTunes in one week? (Well probably Stapleton, but that was because of a performance though) Well, you answered your own question  I kinda did, but I'm talking about a country song getting this many sales without performance boosts (like Stapleton's, for example) |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 10:29:41 GMT -5
Am I the only one that notices the fact that Florida Georgia Line's "H.O.L.Y" could be getting 120k+ sales? Since when has a country song gotten this much sales on iTunes in one week? (Well probably Stapleton, but that was because of a performance though) It was probably FGL as well, "Dirt" sold 182,000 in its first week in July of 2014 and debuted at #11 on the Hot 100. |
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Post by Future Captain on May 4, 2016 10:32:42 GMT -5
Well, you answered your own question I kinda did, but I'm talking about a country song getting this many sales without performance boosts (like Stapleton's, for example) It will be Jason Aldean's Burning It Down then, which debuted just two weeks after Dirt with around 180k as well. |
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Post by MTSChart21 on May 4, 2016 10:34:14 GMT -5
Am I the only one that notices the fact that Florida Georgia Line's "H.O.L.Y" could be getting 120k+ sales? Since when has a country song gotten this much sales on iTunes in one week? (Well probably Stapleton, but that was because of a performance though) It was probably FGL as well, "Dirt" sold 182,000 in its first week in July of 2014 and debuted at #11 on the Hot 100. That was the first thing that came to my mind (I didn't know how many sales it got, but I do remember the #11 debut) because that was the highest debut for a country song in the past few years. And maybe even in this decade (I'm talking about 2010-now btw) I kinda did, but I'm talking about a country song getting this many sales without performance boosts (like Stapleton's, for example) It will be Jason Aldean's Burning It Down then, which debuted just two weeks after Dirt with around 180k as well. Wait, really? 180k sales? Damn! |
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Post by Future Captain on May 4, 2016 10:34:28 GMT -5
It was probably FGL as well, "Dirt" sold 182,000 in its first week in July of 2014 and debuted at #11 on the Hot 100. That was the first thing that came to my mind (I didn't know how many sales it got, but I do remember the #11 debut) because that was the highest debut for a country song in the past few years. And maybe even in this decade (I'm talking about 2010-now btw) The highest debut for a country song in this decade is Lady Antebellum's Just A Kiss which debuted at #7 in 2011, actually. |
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Post by MTSChart21 on May 4, 2016 10:35:59 GMT -5
That was the first thing that came to my mind (I didn't know how many sales it got, but I do remember the #11 debut) because that was the highest debut for a country song in the past few years. And maybe even in this decade (I'm talking about 2010-now btw) The highest debut for a country song in this decade is Lady Antebellum's Just A Kiss which debuted at #7 in 2011, actually. #7?!?!? Wow! (I don't remember much from before 2012/2013, so that's probably why) |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 10:38:57 GMT -5
That was the first thing that came to my mind (I didn't know how many sales it got, but I do remember the #11 debut) because that was the highest debut for a country song in the past few years. And maybe even in this decade (I'm talking about 2010-now btw) The highest debut for a country song in this decade is Lady Antebellum's Just A Kiss which debuted at #7 in 2011, actually. Yes although Dirt is the highest debut for a country duo in Hot 100 History. |
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