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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Feb 20, 2020 11:55:16 GMT -5
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Post by wwr on Feb 20, 2020 13:28:24 GMT -5
Does anyone remember if on any of the shows she talked about fighting to get a song that she ended up losing to a girl group? I don't know why i remember her talking about that on the show, but i could be wrong... Wait if she is discussing losing “Forever is Over” to The Saturday’s, which this must be a reference to, I NEED to know more abt this. yeah! i think i heard her talking about it on the show... or was it a dream? |
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Feb 20, 2020 16:28:59 GMT -5
Wait if she is discussing losing “Forever is Over” to The Saturday’s, which this must be a reference to, I NEED to know more abt this. yeah! i think i heard her talking about it on the show... or was it a dream? OMG, I remember hearing about this a decade ago and never thought about it again until now. I can definitely hear the similarities between FIO and The Day We Fell Apart. That era was a mess with early details leaking, the Christ Daughtry duet that never was, the Masquerade title (which changed to AIEW), and also wasn't Kelly going to cut I Only Wanna Dance With You, produced by Max / Luke? Which later went on a later Kesha album. I remember IOWDWY being floated around as a possible title in late 08 before MLWSWY came out. |
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Post by Mike on Feb 20, 2020 18:18:27 GMT -5
This is what The Saturdays said about it (per the Wiki page for "Forever Is Over"):
"We heard the song playing while at our record company and went into the office where James was talking to the head of the label. We said: 'We have to have that song!' Then we found out that Kelly Clarkson was fighting for it but he gave it to us. James is lovely."
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Post by Jack on Feb 20, 2020 18:32:01 GMT -5
The Power of Love - Huey Lewis. I literally only ever heard the song because Nadia covered it on season 4 of Idol lmao I love that song, haha! |
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 20, 2020 22:27:29 GMT -5
yeah! i think i heard her talking about it on the show... or was it a dream? OMG, I remember hearing about this a decade ago and never thought about it again until now. I can definitely hear the similarities between FIO and The Day We Fell Apart. That era was a mess with early details leaking, the Christ Daughtry duet that never was, the Masquerade title (which changed to AIEW), and also wasn't Kelly going to cut I Only Wanna Dance With You, produced by Max / Luke? Which later went on a later Kesha album. I remember IOWDWY being floated around as a possible title in late 08 before MLWSWY came out. Right and FIO is written by the same songwriter as TDWFA. I have this whole theory as to why she lost out, and why TDWFA was relegated to bonus track status: -RCA knew MLWSWY was going to be the lead and probably promised so contractually to Max and Luke -Kelly wanted FIO, but it would have had to be a second single. The Saturdays meanwhile could promise it to be their lead, which it was -Louis Biancaniello still wanted to work with Kelly (and make some coin) so he went back and came up with a kind of copy of FIO, TDWFA, and gave it to Kelly. -She loved it obv, but by this point the Halo/Already Gone situation had come to light, and she was NOT about to get sloppy seconds again, so it went on as a bonus track and never had a chance at being a single, despite it being one of the best songs on the album. Is it me or is this 100% true? |
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 20, 2020 22:51:42 GMT -5
OMG, I remember hearing about this a decade ago and never thought about it again until now. I can definitely hear the similarities between FIO and The Day We Fell Apart. That era was a mess with early details leaking, the Christ Daughtry duet that never was, the Masquerade title (which changed to AIEW), and also wasn't Kelly going to cut I Only Wanna Dance With You, produced by Max / Luke? Which later went on a later Kesha album. I remember IOWDWY being floated around as a possible title in late 08 before MLWSWY came out. Right and FIO is written by the same songwriter as TDWFA. I have this whole theory as to why she lost out, and why TDWFA was relegated to bonus track status: -RCA knew MLWSWY was going to be the lead and probably promised so contractually to Max and Luke -Kelly wanted FIO, but it would have had to be a second single. The Saturdays meanwhile could promise it to be their lead, which it was -Louis Biancaniello still wanted to work with Kelly (and make some coin) so he went back and came up with a kind of copy of FIO, TDWFA, and gave it to Kelly. -She loved it obv, but by this point the Halo/Already Gone situation had come to light, and she was NOT about to get sloppy seconds again, so it went on as a bonus track and never had a chance at being a single, despite it being one of the best songs on the album. Is it me or is this 100% true? I don’t think the last bullet tracks. The AG/Halo thing started the day her album was released, when the track listings had been long decided and pressed. But the rest makes total sense. |
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 20, 2020 23:17:04 GMT -5
Right and FIO is written by the same songwriter as TDWFA. I have this whole theory as to why she lost out, and why TDWFA was relegated to bonus track status: -RCA knew MLWSWY was going to be the lead and probably promised so contractually to Max and Luke -Kelly wanted FIO, but it would have had to be a second single. The Saturdays meanwhile could promise it to be their lead, which it was -Louis Biancaniello still wanted to work with Kelly (and make some coin) so he went back and came up with a kind of copy of FIO, TDWFA, and gave it to Kelly. -She loved it obv, but by this point the Halo/Already Gone situation had come to light, and she was NOT about to get sloppy seconds again, so it went on as a bonus track and never had a chance at being a single, despite it being one of the best songs on the album. Is it me or is this 100% true? I don’t think the last bullet tracks. The AG/Halo thing started the day her album was released, when the track listings had been long decided and pressed. But the rest makes total sense. But didn’t it start for her when she heard Halo, and realized it was the same as Already Gone? Yes it wasn’t a public event until the release, but I would think Kelly saw it coming before that. Assuming so, that was in November 2008, so plenty of time to shuffle tracks around. |
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 20, 2020 23:27:04 GMT -5
I don’t think the last bullet tracks. The AG/Halo thing started the day her album was released, when the track listings had been long decided and pressed. But the rest makes total sense. But didn’t it start for her when she heard Halo, and realized it was the same as Already Gone? Yes it wasn’t a public event until the release, but I would think Kelly saw it coming before that. Assuming so, that was in November 2008, so plenty of time to shuffle tracks around. You’re right—I think she’s said she asked for AG to be taken off the album entirely and they wouldn’t. So maybe that was the “compromise.” |
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Post by Jack on Feb 21, 2020 9:25:43 GMT -5
Hearing her do that makes me all the more wistful that there wasn't, as I saw it, a killer ballad on Meaning Of Life. The only thing it was missing IMO. I mean imagine if she'd released that as the second single. OOof. |
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Post by switch on Feb 21, 2020 9:51:32 GMT -5
That was so gorgeous.
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Feb 21, 2020 10:39:24 GMT -5
But didn’t it start for her when she heard Halo, and realized it was the same as Already Gone? Yes it wasn’t a public event until the release, but I would think Kelly saw it coming before that. Assuming so, that was in November 2008, so plenty of time to shuffle tracks around. You’re right—I think she’s said she asked for AG to be taken off the album entirely and they wouldn’t. So maybe that was the “compromise.” On the whole Halo / Already Gone controversy, wasn't AG recorded first? I feel like I remember hearing that, because they held KC's release til the first quarter of 09. But also I remember Tedder doing an interview saying he had a huge song that was going to drop with a major female artist that is one word and starts with an "H." So naturally everyone assumed it was Kelly until we found out it was Halo. LOL @ at all the stan speculation back in the day on all her albums through Stronger. Now it's kinda like, whatever. |
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Post by neally on Feb 21, 2020 10:42:02 GMT -5
Hearing her do that makes me all the more wistful that there wasn't, as I saw it, a killer ballad on Meaning Of Life. The only thing it was missing IMO. I mean imagine if she'd released that as the second single. OOof. AGREE ! Besides that I love this song, this performance spotlights Kellys’s vocal XFactor - her one in a million TONE (besides her range, soul, power, registers, versatility, etc). IMO, Kelly does not showcase it enough as artists like Adele, for example, always do. |
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Post by QAF on Feb 21, 2020 14:02:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 21:36:21 GMT -5
You’re right—I think she’s said she asked for AG to be taken off the album entirely and they wouldn’t. So maybe that was the “compromise.” On the whole Halo / Already Gone controversy, wasn't AG recorded first? I feel like I remember hearing that, because they held KC's release til the first quarter of 09. But also I remember Tedder doing an interview saying he had a huge song that was going to drop with a major female artist that is one word and starts with an "H." So naturally everyone assumed it was Kelly until we found out it was Halo. LOL @ at all the stan speculation back in the day on all her albums through Stronger. Now it's kinda like, whatever. Kelly and Beyonce were working on their albums at the same time (for a while the word was that both would be released in November or December 2008), so there's not really a way to know which song was 'first.' But Halo got ping-ponged around a bit - it was sent to Beyonce, then when she didn't get back to Tedder after a while, he sent it to Leona. But then Leona's team was also slow to respond, and while waiting on them Beyonce's team finally got back to him and said they wanted it. So I lean toward thinking the Halo arrangement existed either at the same time or a little bit before the AG arrangement, but Kelly's recording of AG likely existed before Beyonce finally got around to recording Halo. |
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Post by BDGeek on Feb 21, 2020 23:27:51 GMT -5
On the whole Halo / Already Gone controversy, wasn't AG recorded first? I feel like I remember hearing that, because they held KC's release til the first quarter of 09. But also I remember Tedder doing an interview saying he had a huge song that was going to drop with a major female artist that is one word and starts with an "H." So naturally everyone assumed it was Kelly until we found out it was Halo. LOL @ at all the stan speculation back in the day on all her albums through Stronger. Now it's kinda like, whatever. Kelly and Beyonce were working on their albums at the same time (for a while the word was that both would be released in November or December 2008), so there's not really a way to know which song was 'first.' But Halo got ping-ponged around a bit - it was sent to Beyonce, then when she didn't get back to Tedder after a while, he sent it to Leona. But then Leona's team was also slow to respond, and while waiting on them Beyonce's team finally got back to him and said they wanted it. So I lean toward thinking the Halo arrangement existed either at the same time or a little bit before the AG arrangement, but Kelly's recording of AG likely existed before Beyonce finally got around to recording Halo. I forgot Leona was part of the equation too! So interesting how songs bounce around between artists. Imagine living in a world where Leona continued her hit streak with "Halo," Kelly slayed "Forever Is Over," and Pink (or even Hilary Duff) claimed "Since U Been Gone" as her signature song. |
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 22, 2020 0:55:22 GMT -5
Kelly needs to cover Halo on her show ASAP tbh
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Post by mcbg1 on Feb 22, 2020 11:23:52 GMT -5
On the whole Halo / Already Gone controversy, wasn't AG recorded first? I feel like I remember hearing that, because they held KC's release til the first quarter of 09. But also I remember Tedder doing an interview saying he had a huge song that was going to drop with a major female artist that is one word and starts with an "H." So naturally everyone assumed it was Kelly until we found out it was Halo. LOL @ at all the stan speculation back in the day on all her albums through Stronger. Now it's kinda like, whatever. Kelly and Beyonce were working on their albums at the same time (for a while the word was that both would be released in November or December 2008), so there's not really a way to know which song was 'first.' But Halo got ping-ponged around a bit - it was sent to Beyonce, then when she didn't get back to Tedder after a while, he sent it to Leona. But then Leona's team was also slow to respond, and while waiting on them Beyonce's team finally got back to him and said they wanted it. So I lean toward thinking the Halo arrangement existed either at the same time or a little bit before the AG arrangement, but Kelly's recording of AG likely existed before Beyonce finally got around to recording Halo. That's not what happened. Kelly wouldn't have been that upset with Ryan Tedder if that was the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 15:51:07 GMT -5
Kelly and Beyonce were working on their albums at the same time (for a while the word was that both would be released in November or December 2008), so there's not really a way to know which song was 'first.' But Halo got ping-ponged around a bit - it was sent to Beyonce, then when she didn't get back to Tedder after a while, he sent it to Leona. But then Leona's team was also slow to respond, and while waiting on them Beyonce's team finally got back to him and said they wanted it. So I lean toward thinking the Halo arrangement existed either at the same time or a little bit before the AG arrangement, but Kelly's recording of AG likely existed before Beyonce finally got around to recording Halo. That's not what happened. Kelly wouldn't have been that upset with Ryan Tedder if that was the case. Yeah, she would have. Again, there's no way to know which song was created 'first,' but frankly it doesn't really matter; what mattered was which one released first. Kelly was upset because it meant that as the one who released second, she would either be seen as copying Beyonce, or Tedder knowingly handing her a leftover. In Kelly's mind, Ryan should have been able to hear the similarities in his work and scrapped the production in one of them before sending it out. Knowing now that she tried to get the song pulled completely (before resorting to trying to suggest it not be a single, and then losing that battle too) I also think her anger could have been that Tedder was the one person left who could keep the song from making the album by blocking the song himself (i.e. revoking permission from RCA to use it), and he could have offered to redo the arrangement. But he didn't do either of those things. |
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Post by mcbg1 on Feb 22, 2020 18:02:12 GMT -5
That's not what happened. Kelly wouldn't have been that upset with Ryan Tedder if that was the case. Yeah, she would have. Again, there's no way to know which song was created 'first,' but frankly it doesn't really matter; what mattered was which one released first. Kelly was upset because it meant that as the one who released second, she would either be seen as copying Beyonce, or Tedder knowingly handing her a leftover. In Kelly's mind, Ryan should have been able to hear the similarities in his work and scrapped the production in one of them before sending it out. Knowing now that she tried to get the song pulled completely (before resorting to trying to suggest it not be a single, and then losing that battle too) I also think her anger could have been that Tedder was the one person left who could keep the song from making the album by blocking the song himself (i.e. revoking permission from RCA to use it), and he could have offered to redo the arrangement. But he didn't do either of those things. No |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 18:08:32 GMT -5
Yeah, she would have. Again, there's no way to know which song was created 'first,' but frankly it doesn't really matter; what mattered was which one released first. Kelly was upset because it meant that as the one who released second, she would either be seen as copying Beyonce, or Tedder knowingly handing her a leftover. In Kelly's mind, Ryan should have been able to hear the similarities in his work and scrapped the production in one of them before sending it out. Knowing now that she tried to get the song pulled completely (before resorting to trying to suggest it not be a single, and then losing that battle too) I also think her anger could have been that Tedder was the one person left who could keep the song from making the album by blocking the song himself (i.e. revoking permission from RCA to use it), and he could have offered to redo the arrangement. But he didn't do either of those things. No yes! |
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 22, 2020 18:23:30 GMT -5
The real tragedy in the AG/Halo controversy (which, I love my girl Kelly but I always felt like she made into a bigger deal than it needed to be) is that she barely performs the song, and if she does, it’s usually not the studio version. It’s one of her best ballads (songs?) and she wrote it. A true shame !
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Post by wwr on Feb 22, 2020 21:02:42 GMT -5
OMG, I remember hearing about this a decade ago and never thought about it again until now. I can definitely hear the similarities between FIO and The Day We Fell Apart. That era was a mess with early details leaking, the Christ Daughtry duet that never was, the Masquerade title (which changed to AIEW), and also wasn't Kelly going to cut I Only Wanna Dance With You, produced by Max / Luke? Which later went on a later Kesha album. I remember IOWDWY being floated around as a possible title in late 08 before MLWSWY came out. Right and FIO is written by the same songwriter as TDWFA. I have this whole theory as to why she lost out, and why TDWFA was relegated to bonus track status: -RCA knew MLWSWY was going to be the lead and probably promised so contractually to Max and Luke -Kelly wanted FIO, but it would have had to be a second single. The Saturdays meanwhile could promise it to be their lead, which it was -Louis Biancaniello still wanted to work with Kelly (and make some coin) so he went back and came up with a kind of copy of FIO, TDWFA, and gave it to Kelly. -She loved it obv, but by this point the Halo/Already Gone situation had come to light, and she was NOT about to get sloppy seconds again, so it went on as a bonus track and never had a chance at being a single, despite it being one of the best songs on the album. Is it me or is this 100% true? Such a spot on theory! TDWFA really sounds like FIO! |
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Post by slowmo on Feb 23, 2020 20:36:35 GMT -5
The real tragedy in the AG/Halo controversy (which, I love my girl Kelly but I always felt like she made into a bigger deal than it needed to be) is that she barely performs the song, and if she does, it’s usually not the studio version. It’s one of her best ballads (songs?) and she wrote it. A true shame ! Tbf, she doesn't not play it. She just did it at her last concert on New Years Eve. She includes it quite a bit in the setlists for the one-offs she does. |
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Post by Jack on Feb 24, 2020 8:43:24 GMT -5
Right and FIO is written by the same songwriter as TDWFA. I have this whole theory as to why she lost out, and why TDWFA was relegated to bonus track status: -RCA knew MLWSWY was going to be the lead and probably promised so contractually to Max and Luke -Kelly wanted FIO, but it would have had to be a second single. The Saturdays meanwhile could promise it to be their lead, which it was -Louis Biancaniello still wanted to work with Kelly (and make some coin) so he went back and came up with a kind of copy of FIO, TDWFA, and gave it to Kelly. -She loved it obv, but by this point the Halo/Already Gone situation had come to light, and she was NOT about to get sloppy seconds again, so it went on as a bonus track and never had a chance at being a single, despite it being one of the best songs on the album. Is it me or is this 100% true? Such a spot on theory! TDWFA really sounds like FIO! I think The Day We Fell Apart is a waaaaay better song. |
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Post by Censor on Feb 24, 2020 16:45:47 GMT -5
So, she wasn't joking when she said this was more than one song. - I Dare You (Spanish Version) [feat. Blas Cantó]
- I Dare You (Hebrew Version) [feat. Maya Bouskilla]
- I Dare You (German Version) [feat. Glasperlenspiel]
- I Dare You (French Version) [feat. Zaz]
- I Dare You (Arabic Version) [feat. Faouzia]
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 24, 2020 16:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by nightshade on Feb 24, 2020 17:02:06 GMT -5
This is very exciting! She should really add a Korean one. Kind of wish she'd had Rosalia on it.
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