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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Aug 1, 2016 13:04:33 GMT -5
This may be a bit off-topic but I've read people saying so many times that they were dropped from Republic Nashville but do we know that as a fact? I didn't follow the whole thing that closely so I guess I must have missed that. I remember reading some pretty nasty comments making fun of it when it happened but it felt like people were assuming that... was that ever revealed?
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Post by dm2081 on Aug 1, 2016 13:05:23 GMT -5
This actually sounds pretty good. I like the light feel to the instrumentation and it actually sounds country-ish. That being said, I think they are going to be met with a lot of resistance from radio programmers because it almost feels like they're taking a shot at them as well. But this one particular lyric is borderline cringe-worthy: You're all invited on my comeback day,I'll serve you ice cream and lemonade.What the hell? Β That just comes across as so arrogant, especially when they're trying to paint themselves as the victims. Β Their whole attitude is just so off-putting and makes it impossible to fully appreciate this song. Hmm, I guess I don't see anything "arrogant" about it β the previous line talks about throwing a parade, and ice cream and lemonade are pretty common snack fare for those, ha. If anything's arrogant, it's the fact they're throwing a parade in the first place, but I guess I don't read it very maliciously. I guess what I'm reading (and maybe this isn't what they meant) is that they were served lemons recently (like the saying "when life gives you lemons") and now they're going to serve those same people lemonade made from the same lemons on their "comeback day". Regardless of what they meant, it still comes across as bizzare and out of place for me.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 1, 2016 13:10:14 GMT -5
This may be a bit off-topic but I've read people saying so many times that they were dropped from Republic Nashville but do we know that as a fact? I didn't follow the whole thing that closely so I guess I must have missed that. I remember reading some pretty nasty comments making fun of it when it happened but it felt like people were assuming that... was that ever revealed? The official press release said they "parted ways". That could mean anything, really. None of us know for sure how exactly the terms they left on went down. BMLG might have wanted a different direction from them musically (before or after "Live Forever") and when TBP disagreed, they separated. We'll never know exactly.
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Post by md1340 on Aug 1, 2016 13:20:02 GMT -5
This may be a bit off-topic but I've read people saying so many times that they were dropped from Republic Nashville but do we know that as a fact? I didn't follow the whole thing that closely so I guess I must have missed that. I remember reading some pretty nasty comments making fun of it when it happened but it felt like people were assuming that... was that ever revealed? They were not dropped. An article in billboard.com at the time states that it was a mutual decision ..
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Post by austin on Aug 1, 2016 13:28:04 GMT -5
I kind of like this. It's definitely a low key "Eff You" to their haters but I think it's kind of a cool vibe. It's not their best song but I think there is a chance it will be a hit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 13:29:48 GMT -5
"How dare you forget where I started out?" with reference to "If I Die Young"...
Okay TBP, you can get over yourselves now. You literally had only 3 years of success and I highly doubt anyone would have "forgotten" anything if you didn't release a garbage attempt at selling out.
The melodic structure in this has virtually no flow. I like how they toned down the production, though.
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Post by someguy on Aug 1, 2016 13:43:25 GMT -5
I don't know how I feel about this yet. In a way, I think they're making this into a much bigger deal than it needs to be. I don't think the average country radio listener even knows about all of the drama with them over the last year, so they're bringing it to the forefront here.
The song has an odd sound to it that I can't quite put my finger on yet. It could grow on me, or it could burn out on me rather quickly. I expect it'll go one way or the other. I don't see it being a big hit....maybe a high, splashy debut and then a quick stallout (kind of like "The Outsiders"). That's what I'm predicting, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 14:18:49 GMT -5
"Comeback Kid" is showing 46 adds on impact.
That's a little higher than I was expecting (I was thinking 35-40 adds), I still remain unconvinced this'll be a hit, but this is definitely off to a good start.
I'm curious has their been any indication of this getting the iHeartMedia debut.
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Post by md1340 on Aug 1, 2016 14:40:09 GMT -5
I'm guessing that Mercury Nashville will pull out all the stops promoting this one, since it's the first release from a new deal. Hope so anyway.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 1, 2016 14:47:06 GMT -5
"Comeback Kid" is showing 46 adds on impact. That's a little higher than I was expecting (I was thinking 35-40 adds), I still remain unconvinced this'll be a hit, but this is definitely off to a good start. I'm curious has their been any indication of this getting the iHeartMedia debut. We'll know for sure what kind of radio debut this one got tomorrow (if any -- I haven't kept tabs on any iHeart station today). I'm very unsurprised by the number (46) adds. This is still a viable name with programmers and UMG/Mercury Nashville is a heavy hitter with radio promotion. The real question is how this one will perform in the coming weeks? This is such an odd song to me and I'm sure some programmers feel the same way. It all depends on how the people in charge of playlists feel and what the testing says but I echo the possibility from others in this thread that say it could stall at some point. Anything's possible with this one I guess -- I wouldn't say anything is guaranteed.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 1, 2016 15:10:15 GMT -5
I don't know how I feel about this yet. In a way, I think they're making this into a much bigger deal than it needs to be. I don't think the average country radio listener even knows about all of the drama with them over the last year, so they're bringing it to the forefront here. That's the thing though, the average country radio listener isn't even going to think this song is some expose on how they felt they were knocked down over the past 12 months. Listening to this, I don't personally hear it either, and I'd only connect those dots because of being a poster here and seeing a lot more news on them than I normally would as a casual fan out in the real world. I think the 'drama' was very minimal for everyone else than it was made out to be here on Pulse, lol.
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Post by someguy on Aug 1, 2016 15:12:12 GMT -5
I don't know how I feel about this yet. In a way, I think they're making this into a much bigger deal than it needs to be. I don't think the average country radio listener even knows about all of the drama with them over the last year, so they're bringing it to the forefront here. That's the thing though, the average country radio listener isn't even going to think this song is some expose on how they felt they were knocked down over the past 12 months. Listening to this, I don't personally hear it either, and I'd only connect those dots because of being a poster here and seeing a lot more news on them than I normally would as a casual fan out in the real world. I think the 'drama' was very minimal for everyone else than it was made out to be here on Pulse, lol. Oh yeah, I agree. I wasn't totally clear though....I wouldn't expect the average listener to know from hearing the song, but I could see it sparking discussions in the media/with radio DJs that could lead people to start talking about a bit. Not just from hearing the song.
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Post by draggintheriver on Aug 1, 2016 15:38:06 GMT -5
This seems like the type of song an artist would have as the last track on their album. Not the lead single.
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Post by sabre14 on Aug 1, 2016 16:29:18 GMT -5
It looks like "Comeback Kid" did get some hourly treatment on iHeartMedia stations today.
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Post by wilddustin on Aug 1, 2016 17:38:30 GMT -5
I can definitely see where some would view this as an 'eff you' song, or however you want to describe it. I interpret the lyrics as TBP saying they tried something different and people didn't like it, so they're giving it another go around (Mississippi Girl?). Singers shift gears quite frequently and it doesn't always work. If anything, they're saying that they got a lot of harsh feedback with Live Forever and they are hurt by some of it. Maybe I'm being naΓ―ve, but that's how I see it. On the other hand, I'm also not implying that this song sounds like it's back to the 'old TBP' but it's not quite as different of a sound as LF was (to me anyway). I guess I'll have to see for sure once I hear more of their new music.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Aug 1, 2016 17:46:40 GMT -5
This is a mess.
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Post by cufan7 on Aug 1, 2016 17:49:47 GMT -5
To me this sounds like an acoustic/countrified version of a song that's actually meant to have a heavy-pop production.
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Post by vann on Aug 1, 2016 18:03:25 GMT -5
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Post by carrieidol1 on Aug 1, 2016 18:06:07 GMT -5
After a couple listens, I don't hate it. It's still super polarizing, but I love the build-up throughout the song. The bitterness is super off-putting, though. You'd think they were shunned for speaking out against George Bush or something... Your fans generally weren't into your last musical venture - sorry, not sorry.
With that said, it's not bad. It'll take some getting used to, but I think it's cleverly written and the production works well with the lyrics.
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Post by Juanca on Aug 1, 2016 18:52:56 GMT -5
On first listen, I do like it. It's unconventional, true, but I think it has an unconventional production for any genre. This isn't straight up pop or country or hot ac, I think, and to me that makes it exciting. It makes me want to hear it again and better grasp the nuances in music and vocal production, including background vocals and instrumentation. In a genre where bro-country and auto-tune have become more common, I think this is a welcome exercise. I also like the lyrics. Yes, I said before that the whole victimization is off putting... But after reading someone commenting on the universality of the message, yeah that angle works well. I could think of a work experience years ago when despite strong initial performance and great built-up expectations from peers, I took a risky decision, did what I could at a tough personal time, and perfect storm at work that blocked my next step in my career. Some senior colleagues told me that I tried and it didn't work and I should look for other options. Others focused on what had happened in that tough "year" and not at all my good work before that. Thankfully soon afterwards I found a new team that really valued me and appreciated my work. I learned a great humbling lesson that made me a better person and that f'ing year did hurt but in the end I came back and had a great new professional beginning. That's a very concrete story of course :) but what I'm trying to say is that if we think in a more non-TBP-specific context the lyrics can be relatable... With work or friendship experiences Anyway maybe TMI but I've learned that people in the country forum are more used to longer posts than those in the Pop forum so I took some liberty ;)
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Post by babybuffalo on Aug 1, 2016 19:27:14 GMT -5
Yup. That Celine Dion style violin was not a welcome surprise. The lyrics are so weak. The βghostβ ending. The whole thing is bizarre.
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Post by kw9461 on Aug 1, 2016 19:43:49 GMT -5
The bitterness in the lyrics is so off putting it's remarkable that a major label signed off on this as a lead single. I know most listeners will be oblivious to the backstory, but it's basically a middle finger to anyone who didn't like their bizarre shift in style - including the TBP fans themselves. This group is the living embodiment of every bad millennial stereotype I can think of. Such entitlement for a group with a modest track record to begin with.
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Post by 14887fan on Aug 1, 2016 19:49:38 GMT -5
I'm down with the bitter lyrics. Write what you feel! I support it. I also support taking what you feel and writing it, uh, well. Could they have made the wording any more generic? Maybe they felt as though this one called for simplicity, but they could've at least done something with the triteness in the verses and chorus.
The production is different. I agree with whoever/those(?) of you who said that it sounds like a pop song reduced to a Country remix. Also, that violin wedged in between the first chorus and the second verse is completely out of place and bizarre. Having said that, if Mercury actually promotes this (meanwhile, Lauren Alaina sits on a bed of failed singles that are mostly 10x better than this, thanks a lot xoxox), I could see it getting a Top 15 peak simply off of Country finally receiving something from the group that wasn't swallowed by a yellow synthesizer.
But yeah, they all seem pissy. If this means the album will be vengeful and snarky, I'm down. Just write it decently. I have no idea what the hell happened to their penmanship, but the downhill spiral that they've gone in from "If I Die Young" to this is unsettling and aggravating. At least they can pick solid color schemes. Aesthetics: the important stuff.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Aug 1, 2016 20:25:46 GMT -5
I feel like context in playing a big part in people's perception of this song. I can totally understand how someone would feel the lyrics are bitter in the context of what The Band Perry went through this past year, but then, seeing the lyrics on their own, I just dont see what's so bitter abou it. I mean, I can't help but think this very same lyrics wouldn't feel particularly bitter to some of you had somebody else wrote it and released it. It's definitely "general" (or even generic) enough to probably be seen as trying to be "inpirational" or whatever (which, taking from their description on the iHeart video posted here, was the goal). To me, It's definitely not as "in your face" and "direct" as something like "Mean" by Taylor Swift for example, but again, context it's really important and it really benefited her. She had the persona and track record to fit the narrative for that song to work and not be seen as someone who couldn't take critism, but as a victim of "mean" people instead. I guess the problem here (and it's just my two cents) is not the lyrics themselves but the fact that the narrative doesn't fit the perception (some of) you have of the artist. I'm, off course, not getting into the quality of the songwriting, that's would be a whole different discussion LOL
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Post by md1340 on Aug 1, 2016 20:37:26 GMT -5
I see a lot of conjecture as to who "they" in the lyrics is referring to, and just who TBP is singing about, but I am not willing to assume anything until they come out point blank and tell their story in a straightforward way. Personally I don't think that putting down their own fans, even disgruntled ones, has anything to do with it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 20:38:49 GMT -5
Wait, I thought they were "Pop-tarts at heart". Also about the whole in context thing and how if it was any other artist doing it, people here wouldn't hate it as much l. I am somebody who hates it when people dismiss critics, fans of artists who aren't satisfied with their direction. Then there's the line that really gets under my skin "How dare you forget how I started out". That line in particular if said by any artist really gets me p.o. For The Band Perry all I have to say is no I didn't forget how you started out. I still have your debut album and play it occasionally, I was a genuine fan and "If I Die Young" is a classic in my opinion, but in my opinion you guys lack a clear musical direction.
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Post by countrymusicjunkie on Aug 1, 2016 20:44:14 GMT -5
It's interviews like this that make it so hard to root for these guys, Their attitude and arrogance are just so off putting. I also agree with those who don't like the bitterness in the lyrics for this song. I think this will probably debut pretty good but I just can't see it becoming a big hit, I'll be surprised if it makes the top 20.
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Post by trustypepper on Aug 1, 2016 20:51:43 GMT -5
What a letdown. This whole situation has been so disappointing.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy π§π· on Aug 1, 2016 20:55:32 GMT -5
Also about the whole in context thing and how if it was any other artist doing it, people here wouldn't hate it as much l. I am somebody who hates it when people dismiss critics, fans of artists who aren't satisfied with their direction. Well... I never said people "wouldn't hate it as much if other artist was doint it"... Please, don't put words in my mouth. My point was that IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT, this song wouldn't be seen as "bitter" by some of the people who do now. I didn't say anything about people liking or disliking the song (and I made it pretty clear in my closing remarks that wasn't the case). I think it's completely fair to dislike (or hate, wtv) when people dismiss critics... I was just sharing that CONTEXT has made similar situations get a free pass because the narrative fitted the artist public persona and history. My comment had nothing to do with people hating or loving the song... As I said on my original post, that's a completely different subject.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 20:58:46 GMT -5
Also about the whole in context thing and how if it was any other artist doing it, people here wouldn't hate it as much l. I am somebody who hates it when people dismiss critics, fans of artists who aren't satisfied with their direction. Well... I never said people "wouldn't hate it as much if other artist was doint it"... Please, don't put words in my mouth. My point was that IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT, this song wouldn't be seen as "bitter" by some of the people who do now. I didn't say anything about people liking or disliking the song (and I made it pretty clear in my closing remarks that wasn't the case). I think it's completely fair to dislike (or hate, wtv) when people dismiss critics... I was just sharing that CONTEXT has made similar situations get a free pass because the narrative fitted the artist public persona and history. My comment had nothing to do with people hating or loving the song... As I said on my original post, that's a completely different subject. Oh ok, I'm sorry, I kind of skimmed through your posts. Please forgive me, I had no intention of starting anything.
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