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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 14:44:10 GMT -5
Don't Mind really had a much faster rise and fall than most of us expected it would...
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Post by Zach on Aug 6, 2016 15:21:44 GMT -5
How is it evidence of that? It's possible that its overall points would be higher if all three metrics carried the same weight. Are you saying it should be 1 sale = 1 stream = 1 AI? Or that they should adjust the formula to target an average of a third chart point contribution each from airplay, sales and streams? Either way, bad idea. |
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Post by Parerastarr10 on Aug 6, 2016 15:53:45 GMT -5
It's possible that its overall points would be higher if all three metrics carried the same weight. Are you saying it should be 1 sale = 1 stream = 1 AI? Or that they should adjust the formula to target an average of a third chart point contribution each from airplay, sales and streams? Either way, bad idea. Are you for songs like "Panda" (removing your personal feelings about the song) generating over 30K in points with less than 45k in sales and just over 50m in AI and 21m in streams? |
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Post by Parerastarr10 on Aug 6, 2016 16:23:01 GMT -5
It's possible that its overall points would be higher if all three metrics carried the same weight. What does that even mean? If 1 audience = 1 stream = 1 sale, the chart would basically be identical the airplay chart, so obviously the three formats need to have different weights. The fact is that Cheap Thrills is only #1 on airplay, but not in sales or streaming, its only fair that its a weak #1. Ok, maybe not the same weight, but do the scales need to be tipped in favour of streaming? Another example would be CSTF vs OD. You could say it was more of bad luck that CT couldn't secure #1 on the digital end of the chart, rather than necessarily being "weak". Other songs have topped the digital chart selling less. |
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 6, 2016 17:23:20 GMT -5
It's odd to me radio has dropped "Me Too" despite it being a consistent seller. ...and yet it's only managed to get up to #58 on spotify so far. A problem with Me Too on that front is it was never added to Spotify's pop/hottest hits playlists. I don't know why that was. Though even at that, NO still peaked in the mid teens on Spotify. Oh well. Single #3 has already been announced and Me Too still managed decent returns. Hopefully Better, even with it being more forgettable in my opinion, will revitalize the era a little bit. |
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Post by chicken077 on Aug 6, 2016 17:46:21 GMT -5
I don't think there's been another #1 song in recent memory for which an official video hasn't been released, or even a relatively big top ten hit. Anyone know? The last one I think was in the 90s. And then maybe One Dance. Late comment but I think Can't Feel My Face was all the way at #2 before the video dropped, but the video didn't propel it to #1. It stayed at 2 for another week or so before getting its first week at #1. |
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Post by ry4n on Aug 6, 2016 18:40:30 GMT -5
Plenty of songs have gone #1 before the video was released.
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Post by Bigfatliar 3 on Aug 6, 2016 19:20:45 GMT -5
The last one I think was in the 90s. And then maybe One Dance. Late comment but I think Can't Feel My Face was all the way at #2 before the video dropped, but the video didn't propel it to #1. It stayed at 2 for another week or so before getting its first week at #1. Probably Panda is the latest song before One Dance to hit #1 without promotional video (you can say official video). " Desiigner's debut hit "Panda" pounces to No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 (dated May 7)" "Approximately two-thirds of the track's Hot 100 points are from streaming, with the highest share (43 percent) of its streams from non-Vevo YouTube views, as no official video for the track has yet been released; an official clip is in the works, according to Def Jam." Billboard 4/25/2016 by Gary Trust
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Post by NeRD on Aug 6, 2016 20:18:40 GMT -5
How is it evidence of that? It's possible that its overall points would be higher if all three metrics carried the same weight. Meanwhile streaming has consistently been the weakest metric of Cheap Thrills through its entire chartrun. |
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Post by MTSChart21 on Aug 6, 2016 21:47:02 GMT -5
When was the last time an artist had two songs in the top 3? And If Let Me Love You has even remotely similar stats to Cold Water, then I'm pretty sure Justin will part of the top 2 songs. Let Me Love You is gonna have 2 problems. YouTube (there is a lyric video, but it might not get as much views because it's not official on DJ Snake's channel) and airplay. This is because it's in DJ Snake's album and is just album track (for now), not a single. Oh, and I forgot to answer the question. The last time an artist had 2 songs in the top 3 was early this year when Justin Bieber had "Sorry" and "Love Yourself" both in the top 2. |
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Post by Zach on Aug 6, 2016 22:04:58 GMT -5
Are you saying it should be 1 sale = 1 stream = 1 AI? Or that they should adjust the formula to target an average of a third chart point contribution each from airplay, sales and streams? Either way, bad idea. Are you for songs like "Panda" (removing your personal feelings about the song) generating over 30K in points with less than 45k in sales and just over 50m in AI and 21m in streams? Yes I am. Streaming is the biggest way that music is being consumed and must hold the biggest weighting. Regardless of Panda's sales and AI in its weeks at and near the top of the chart, it was streamed so much that it was the most consumed/one of the most consumed songs of those weeks. Therefore, it got loads of chart points and charted high. With the rise of streaming and its concurrent surge in contribution to chart points, now more than ever the Hot 100 is ranking what people are actually listening to on a week-to-week basis. Yes, it has slowed the chart down a lot but it's the goal of the Hot 100 to be accurate, not fast/fluid. |
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Post by MTSChart21 on Aug 6, 2016 22:51:05 GMT -5
Are you for songs like "Panda" (removing your personal feelings about the song) generating over 30K in points with less than 45k in sales and just over 50m in AI and 21m in streams? Yes I am. Streaming is the biggest way that music is being consumed and must hold the biggest weighting. Regardless of Panda's sales and AI in its weeks at and near the top of the chart, it was streamed so much that it was the most consumed/one of the most consumed songs of those weeks. Therefore, it got loads of chart points and charted high. With the rise of streaming and its concurrent surge in contribution to chart points, now more than ever the Hot 100 is ranking what people are actually listening to on a week-to-week basis. Yes, it has slowed the chart down a lot but it's the goal of the Hot 100 to be accurate, not fast/fluid. Exactly. Also, just think about all the people that go straight to YouTube or Spotify just to hear music. Also, radio too. Sales shouldn't be weighed as much as they are, sorry. |
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 6, 2016 23:00:48 GMT -5
Sales aren't weighted very high at all, though.
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Post by taylor on Aug 7, 2016 1:24:18 GMT -5
I don't think there's been another #1 song in recent memory for which an official video hasn't been released, or even a relatively big top ten hit. Anyone know? The last one I think was in the 90s. And then maybe One Dance. IIRC Don't Tell 'Em by Jeremih ft YG didn't have an official video also. It peaked at No. 6 in late 2014. BTW DJ Snake's song ft JB is awesome. |
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Post by BlueSwan on Aug 7, 2016 3:52:49 GMT -5
Don't Mind really had a much faster rise and fall than most of us expected it would... Am I the only one thinking that this was hurt by the title? I bet if you go up to a random group of teens on the street and ask them what they think of "Don't Mind" by Kent Jones, they'll respond "what record is that again?". Then when you play it for them they'll go "Oh that record, yeah I like that". It is such an obvious summer smash, but the fact that the title "Don't Mind" gives zero hint to what the record is, was probably not a wise decision from a marketing point of view. |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Aug 7, 2016 7:31:03 GMT -5
Yes I am. Streaming is the biggest way that music is being consumed and must hold the biggest weighting. Regardless of Panda's sales and AI in its weeks at and near the top of the chart, it was streamed so much that it was the most consumed/one of the most consumed songs of those weeks. Therefore, it got loads of chart points and charted high. With the rise of streaming and its concurrent surge in contribution to chart points, now more than ever the Hot 100 is ranking what people are actually listening to on a week-to-week basis. Yes, it has slowed the chart down a lot but it's the goal of the Hot 100 to be accurate, not fast/fluid. Exactly. Also, just think about all the people that go straight to YouTube or Spotify just to hear music. Also, radio too. Sales shouldn't be weighed as much as they are, sorry. "as much as they are" except they have next to No value |
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 7, 2016 7:32:05 GMT -5
Streaming is the biggest way that music is being consumed and must hold the biggest weighting. Is it? I ask out of ignorance. I'd love to read the latest reports/ratings of streaming versus radio and other forms of consumption. |
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Post by Mike is BAD on Aug 7, 2016 8:04:35 GMT -5
The last one I think was in the 90s. And then maybe One Dance. IIRC Don't Tell 'Em by Jeremih ft YG didn't have an official video also. It peaked at No. 6 in late 2014. BTW DJ Snake's song ft JB is awesome. Dont Tell Em didn't reach #1. Any predictions for Heathens because a lot of people think it will hit the Top 10 this week. |
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Post by felipe on Aug 7, 2016 9:39:30 GMT -5
Are you for songs like "Panda" (removing your personal feelings about the song) generating over 30K in points with less than 45k in sales and just over 50m in AI and 21m in streams? Yes I am. Streaming is the biggest way that music is being consumed and must hold the biggest weighting. Is it really? No song has come even close to 200 million streams in a week. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 7, 2016 9:49:10 GMT -5
Yes I am. Streaming is the biggest way that music is being consumed and must hold the biggest weighting. Is it really? No song has come even close to 200 million streams in a week. I don't know that measuring data for one song/the top song is the best comparison since with streaming people can listen to more than just the main popular songs...but I would like more data on the amount of people who use streaming, who download, who listen to radio, etc. |
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Post by Parerastarr10 on Aug 7, 2016 9:53:45 GMT -5
Are you for songs like "Panda" (removing your personal feelings about the song) generating over 30K in points with less than 45k in sales and just over 50m in AI and 21m in streams? Yes I am. Streaming is the biggest way that music is being consumed and must hold the biggest weighting. Regardless of Panda's sales and AI in its weeks at and near the top of the chart, it was streamed so much that it was the most consumed/one of the most consumed songs of those weeks. Therefore, it got loads of chart points and charted high. With the rise of streaming and its concurrent surge in contribution to chart points, now more than ever the Hot 100 is ranking what people are actually listening to on a week-to-week basis. Yes, it has slowed the chart down a lot but it's the goal of the Hot 100 to be accurate, not fast/fluid. I disagree completely! Songs should not be so heavily rewarded for taking the path of least resistance. Again, streaming has earned its place, I am for its inclusion, but there is a big difference between adjusting to the times and basically doing away with the two longstanding pillars that Billboard is known for. |
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Post by Soulsista on Aug 7, 2016 10:16:41 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:
August 22, 1981
01 01 Endless Love - Diana Ross & Lionel Richie (2nd of 9 weeks at #1)
02 02 Theme From Greatest American Hero - Joey Scarbury
03 03 I Don't Need You - Kenny Rogers
04 06 Slow Hand - The Pointer Sisters
05 04 Jessie's Girl - Rick Springfield
06 21 Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Stevie Nicks w/Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
07 07 Boy From New York City - Manhattan Transfer
08 09 Queen Of Hearts - Juice Newton
09 10 (There's) No Gettin' Over Me - Ronnie Milsap
10 11 Lady (You Bring Me Up) - The Commodores
August 23, 1986
01 01 Papa Don't Preach - Madonna (2nd and final week at #1)
02 04 Higher Love - Steve Winwood
03 06 Venus - Bananarama
04 03 Mad About You - Belinda Carlisle
05 02 Glory Of Love - Peter Cetera
06 07 Dancing On The Ceiling - Lionel Richie
07 09 Take My Breath Away - Berlin
08 05 We Don't Have To Take Our Clothes Off - Jermaine Stewart
09 08 Rumors - Timex Social Club
10 10 The Edge Of Heaven - Wham!
August 24, 1991
01 01 (Everything I Do) I Do It For You - Bryan Adams (5th of 7 weeks at #1)
02 03 It Ain't Over 'Til It's Over - Lenny Kravitz
03 02 Every Heartbeat - Amy Grant
04 05 Fading Like a Flower (Every Time You Leave) - Roxette
05 04 Summertime - DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
06 06 Temptation - Corina
07 09 Wind Of Change - The Scorpions
08 12 The Promise Of a New Day - Paula Abdul
09 10 3AM Eternal - KLF
10 11 I Can't Wait Another Minute - Hi-Five
August 17, 1996
01 01 Macarena (Bayside Boys Mix) - Los Del Rio (3rd of 14 weeks at #1)
02 04 Twisted - Keith Sweat
03 08 C'Mon N' Ride It (The Train) - The Quad City DJ's
04 02 You're Makin' Me High / Let It Flow - Toni Braxton
05 06 Change The World - Eric Clapton
06 10 Loungin' - LL Cool J feat. Total
07 07 I Can't Sleep Baby (If I) - R. Kelly
08 03 How Do U Want It / California Love - 2Pac feat. K-Ci & JoJo
09 12 I Love You Always Forever - Donna Lewis
10 05 Give Me One Reason - Tracy Chapman
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Aug 7, 2016 10:24:32 GMT -5
Yes I am. Streaming is the biggest way that music is being consumed and must hold the biggest weighting. Regardless of Panda's sales and AI in its weeks at and near the top of the chart, it was streamed so much that it was the most consumed/one of the most consumed songs of those weeks. Therefore, it got loads of chart points and charted high. With the rise of streaming and its concurrent surge in contribution to chart points, now more than ever the Hot 100 is ranking what people are actually listening to on a week-to-week basis. Yes, it has slowed the chart down a lot but it's the goal of the Hot 100 to be accurate, not fast/fluid. I disagree completely! Songs should not be so heavily rewarded for taking the path of least resistance. Again, streaming has earned its place, I am for its inclusion, but there is a big difference between adjusting to the times and basically doing away with the two longstanding pillars that Billboard is known for. The path of least resistance would obviously be airplay. |
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Post by Soulsista on Aug 7, 2016 10:40:27 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:
August 14, 1961 (For the week ending August 19)
01 01 Tossin' & Turnin' - Bobby Lewis (6th of 7 weeks at #1)
02 02 I Like It Like That - Chris Kenner
03 03 Last Night - The Mar-Keys
04 04 Dum Dum - Brenda Lee
05 09 Wooden Heart - Joe Dowell
06 10 Michael - The Highwaymen
07 07 Pretty Little Angel Eyes - Curtis Lee
08 08 Let's Twist Again - Chubby Checker
09 06 Together - Connie Francis
10 16 School Is Out - Gary U.S. Bonds
August 20, 1996
01 01 Summer In The City - The Lovin' Spoonful (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 07 Sunny - Bobby Hebb
03 02 Lil Red Riding Hood - Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs
04 04 Wild Thing - The Troggs
05 03 They're Coming To Take Me Away Ha-Haaa! - Napoleon XIV
06 14 See You In September - The Happenings
07 05 The Pied Piper - Crispian St. Peters
08 08 Mother's Little Helper - The Rolling Stones
09 11 I Couldn't Live Without Your Love - Petula Clark
10 20 Sunshine Superman - Donovan
August 21, 1971
01 01 How Can You Mend a Broken Heart - The Bee Gees (3rd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 02 Mr. Big Stuff - Jean Knight
03 03 Take Me Home, Country Roads - John Denver
04 09 Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology) - Marvin Gaye
05 05 You've Got a Friend - James Taylor
06 15 Sweet Hitch-Hiker - Creedence Clearwater Revival
07 07 Beginnings / Color My Wind - Chicago
08 10 Signs - The Five Man Electrical Band
09 04 Draggin' The Line - Tommy James
10 14 Liar - Three Dog Night
August 21, 1976
01 01 Don't Go Breaking My Heart - Elton John & Kiki Dee (3rd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 02 You Should Be Dancing - The Bee Gees
03 03 Let 'Em In - Wings
04 04 You'll Never Find Another Love Like Mine - Lou Rawls
05 07 I'd Really Love To See You Tonight - England Dan & John Ford Coley
06 08 (Shake, Shake, Shake) Shake Your Booty - K.C. & The Sunshine Band
07 05 Rock & Roll Music - The Beach Boys
08 09 Kiss And Say Goodbye - The Manhattans
09 11 Get Closer - Seals & Crofts
10 10 Turn The Beat Around - Vicki Sue Robinson
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Aug 7, 2016 11:36:07 GMT -5
I disagree completely! Songs should not be so heavily rewarded for taking the path of least resistance. Again, streaming has earned its place, I am for its inclusion, but there is a big difference between adjusting to the times and basically doing away with the two longstanding pillars that Billboard is known for. The path of least resistance would obviously be airplay. idk, considering you don't get to choose what songs are played. |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Aug 7, 2016 11:47:18 GMT -5
The fact that Panda is JUST dropping out of the top ten with near non existent sales and airplay is proof enough streaming is weighted too heavily imo.
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Post by georgetherunner314 on Aug 7, 2016 12:26:16 GMT -5
Thought I'd post this for the sales/radio/streams weighing discussion. Here are the percentages for how many of the total points each of the three metrics gave each song in the top 20 last week. Streaming seems to be weighted double what sales are, on average.  |
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Aug 7, 2016 17:48:32 GMT -5
Streaming weighed twice as much as sales!?!? That's absolutely ridiculous. I understand that streaming is the most popular way to consume music and should be weighed the highest, but to be weighed twice as much as sales is a bit much. Perhaps it would be better for sales to be weighed as much as radio is according to the last post.
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Post by 85la on Aug 7, 2016 17:55:45 GMT -5
^ So on average about 25% for sales, 30% for airplay, and 45% for streaming. I'd say that is a fair distribution.
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Aug 7, 2016 18:57:53 GMT -5
^ So on average about 25% for sales, 30% for airplay, and 45% for streaming. I'd say that is a fair distribution. Personally I think 35% for sales, 40% for streaming, and 25% for radio would be a more fair distribution. |
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