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Post by wavey.✨️ on Aug 25, 2017 23:15:33 GMT -5
I love that Taylor is snatching wigs. One thing about her is she will ALWAYS stand up for herself. She threw flawless shade and the fact that Nicki Minaj and Kim K have responded speaks volumes. Look..wheres the proof, cause both of thier edges are intact and unbothered.
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Post by allow that on Aug 25, 2017 23:22:39 GMT -5
I love that Taylor is snatching wigs. One thing about her is she will ALWAYS stand up for herself. She threw flawless shade and the fact that Nicki Minaj and Kim K have responded speaks volumes. Look..wheres the proof, cause both of thier edges are intact and unbothered. Kim was out enjoying her life today while Taylor just dedicated a whole song to whining about her. Who seems more bothered?
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Post by Zinc. on Aug 25, 2017 23:28:53 GMT -5
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Aug 25, 2017 23:38:59 GMT -5
Yeah, the media is trying to make that happen. No. But did anyone peep the memes already created from the preview. Plus, I noticed Todrick Hall is in the vid.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 26, 2017 0:03:01 GMT -5
Look..wheres the proof, cause both of thier edges are intact and unbothered. Kim was out enjoying her life today while Taylor just dedicated a whole song to whining about her. Who seems more bothered? Chile lets not pretend Kim wasn't hella bothered when she leaked that phone call. She has a history of very much being bothered on a plethora of topics. =)
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Post by allow that on Aug 26, 2017 0:09:21 GMT -5
Kim was out enjoying her life today while Taylor just dedicated a whole song to whining about her. Who seems more bothered? Chile lets not pretend Kim wasn't hella bothered when she leaked that phone call. She has a history of very much being bothered on a plethora of topics. =) She leaked it to set the story straight and that was that. It showed Taylor's true colors; not hers. She's not dwelling on it a whole year later. (And PS: I don't even LIKE Kim K but she's not the one who took the L in this situation. Lbr.)
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Post by mcsteamy on Aug 26, 2017 0:15:52 GMT -5
Yeah, no
Kim dragged Taylor with nothing but truth bombs. No way to deny this
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Post by †ealsünset on Aug 26, 2017 0:28:40 GMT -5
She leaked it to set the story straight and that was that. It showed Taylor's true colors; not hers. She's not dwelling on it a whole year later. And Taylor is? She experienced something a year ago and wrote a song about it that has just been released. We don't know that she's dwelling on it.
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Post by allow that on Aug 26, 2017 0:34:45 GMT -5
She leaked it to set the story straight and that was that. It showed Taylor's true colors; not hers. She's not dwelling on it a whole year later. And Taylor is? How is that not clear? She's dwelling on it in the very song you reference! In a very whiney, self-victimizing way which is off-putting considering we all know her dualities now.
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Post by †ealsünset on Aug 26, 2017 1:00:09 GMT -5
How is that not clear? Let me make myself clear. She wrote the song months to a year ago. Past tense. Saying that's she's whining about it currently is disingenuous. Didn't you read the court transcript? She's not whining. She's dwelling on it in the very song you reference! In a very whiney, self-victimizing way which is off-putting considering we all know her dualities now. Let me make myself clear. She wrote the song months to a year ago. Past tense. Saying that's she's whining about it currently is disingenuous. Didn't you read the court transcript? She's not whining. Actually, I had my mind on several songs when I wrote that, and it could have applied to all of them if I hadn't said "just been released." Love Story was written a year before it was released about a boy she almost dated. The song amplifies her feelings at the time, and by no means do I think she literally felt that way that day, a year later, or ten years later. It's a stylization of how she felt at a particular time.
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Post by matty005 on Aug 26, 2017 2:30:10 GMT -5
How is that not clear? She's dwelling on it in the very song you reference! In a very whiney, self-victimizing way which is off-putting considering we all know her dualities now. I hate that Taylor is talking about it still. I think she is so much better than that. But the fact of the matter is, Kim LIVES for things like this because that is the reason she is famous. She doesn't have a movie career or anything like that. She needs drama like this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 3:36:23 GMT -5
How is that not clear? Let me make myself clear. She wrote the song months to a year ago. Past tense. Saying that's she's whining about it currently is disingenuous. Didn't you read the court transcript? She's not whining. She's dwelling on it in the very song you reference! In a very whiney, self-victimizing way which is off-putting considering we all know her dualities now. Let me make myself clear. She wrote the song months to a year ago. Past tense. Saying that's she's whining about it currently is disingenuous. Didn't you read the court transcript? She's not whining. Actually, I had my mind on several songs when I wrote that, and it could have applied to all of them if I hadn't said "just been released." Love Story was written a year before it was released about a boy she almost dated. The song amplifies her feelings at the time, and by no means do I think she literally felt that way that day, a year later, or ten years later. It's a stylization of how she felt at a particular time. What does the court transcript have to do with LWYMMD? That was an entirely unrelated situation. LWYMMD is just a badly written song, and I say this as someone who normally thinks Taylor is a good writer and has defended her against many a 'childish' dig. She is certainly capable of turning out something that doesn't sound so immature, but LWYMMD is not it. Honestly this is how I figure she hasn't really moved on from last summer's events because if she had, I'd like to think she would have gone back in for a sharper rewrite that didn't sound so bratty. All songs are, in a sense, "past tense." It's rare that something is released as soon as it's written; things don't get put out until months or even years after first being penned. But as an artist - you write and release material because it's your way of sharing your feelings. For sensitive subject matter it's also about catharsis, taking a very necessary step on the path to letting go of negative emotions. So if you're going to commit to recording and releasing something then you are also pretty much committing to whatever emotion you put into that song for at least the duration of the song's shelf life. So Taylor can't have it both ways here. She can't put out this song that is obviously her dealing with her feelings about the Kimye situation, and then claim that she's not still feeling that way at least a little bit. She's about to spend the next two-three months promoting and singing about it! Plus, I can't get to the place where "I honestly don't give two fucks about that whole mess anymore, but I'm going to launch my entire album era with a song about it even though I'm entirely capable of selling without the drama and God knows the last thing any enemy of Kim K should want to do is validate her existence with attention" makes sense unless we're finally shedding all pretense and acknowledging that Taylor is just the flip side of Kim K's attention-whoring, PR-stunting coin. Taylor can claim she's over it when she's moved on to single #2...maybe. She did name her album Reputation; she clearly thinks hers was wrongfully smeared. She might not be able to truthfully claim being 'over it' till the entire era is done.
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Post by †ealsünset on Aug 26, 2017 4:47:36 GMT -5
What does the court transcript have to do with LWYMMD? That was an entirely unrelated situation. Yes, the court case is something entirely different, showing that Taylor's a mature person, and generally avoids drama but will not pass up an opportunity to defend herself. It showed that she's aware she's privileged and that people make presupposing opinions of her based on her music, which is what I'm arguing against, typecasting her as an artist. She can be more than just what the media or our interpretations of her current song portray her as. Cynthia rose, I agree with most of what you said but I'm going to bring up to you what someone said to me in regards to Adele: She's got a brand. I don't know what we expect Taylor to do other than write songs based on her experiences, film a music video, use it to promote an album and perform on tour for a year. Some may not like it but some artists can attest that when you change your style the audience goes to. You also articulated better than I ever could that an artist achieves catharsis through their work. I've noticed several painters I know doing political pieces this past year, and instead of reacting with "Oh, you're a political artist now?" I observe that they're using their creation to show how they feel at the moment, yet it doesn't have to be part of their identity as an artist. Overall, I think these specifically personal songs are Taylor's product, but we shall see if the consumer continues to buy. I just hope one self-victimizing song doesn't pigeonhole her. We all have those moments and listening to a song like LWYMMD can help us get through a situation like that and put it behind us. I hope I can be as brave as her and admit how I feel and move on as she surely will once the next single is out.
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 26, 2017 6:27:10 GMT -5
The new single can be looked at several perspectives. It's not impossible to take it as a "survival song" from a bad relationship or marriage either. So while the Twitter universe bashes her about being immature and a martyr the song itself is actually quite universal I think.
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Post by jughead on Aug 26, 2017 7:00:10 GMT -5
The new single can be looked at several perspectives. It's not impossible to take it as a "survival song" from a bad relationship or marriage either. So while the Twitter universe bashes her about being immature and a martyr the song itself is actually quite universal I think. This.
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Post by when the pawn... on Aug 26, 2017 7:31:23 GMT -5
That was definitely a coincidence. The Kim and Kanye controversy was beyond petty and both probably both parties didn't care at all really. This song is mostly a joke, she isn't declaring all out war A lot of these so-called feuds are all part of the publicity game. Remember they both shared the same manager at the time of VMAs - which started the 'feud,' etc. Honestly, take away 'controversies' and a lot of musicians and actors would have zero coverage - and it's all about profile and breaking through the noise. Is that true? Seems kinda crazy to me? If so, how long did they share management?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 7:56:13 GMT -5
The new single can be looked at several perspectives. It's not impossible to take it as a "survival song" from a bad relationship It is just that I think other people should write songs about survival from her... As I wrote once, I don't think this song 'looks good' for her and I don't think she will have famous boyfriends anymore but then again, she can buy one/some from out of spotlight I guess
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 26, 2017 8:23:41 GMT -5
Is Taylor bothered, clearly, but to assert Kim is some shinning beacon of maturity is laughably hilarious to anyone who even remotely keeps up with her. Kim gets her panties in a bunch just as often.
Taylor's detractors will drag her for literally any and everything. Of course she cares, who wouldn't care being so publicly humiliated (whether or not she put her own foot in her mouth). Let's not all act like we are all perfect little souls who never held a grudge and have forever remained "unbothered" in life. We're human.
Taylor has always written of her experiences in life. It is her catharsis. Idk why people expect different this go around. She is still in her twenties, still developing in an environment and structure we know nothing of. I feel she is progressing just fine personally.
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Post by allow that on Aug 26, 2017 9:24:53 GMT -5
The new single can be looked at several perspectives. It's not impossible to take it as a "survival song" from a bad relationship or marriage either. So while the Twitter universe bashes her about being immature and a martyr the song itself is actually quite universal I think. It is definitely NOT a survival song. Survival songs carry a positive message. LWYMMD is entirely negative, shit talking, scapegoating. Just like 45 rants about fake news and 8 Dems who control Congress, Taylor is looking to blame everyone else except herself for HER mistakes and miscalculations.
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Post by garrettlen on Aug 26, 2017 9:31:38 GMT -5
Is Taylor bothered, clearly, but to assert Kim is some shinning beacon of maturity is laughably hilarious to anyone who even remotely keeps up with her. Kim gets her panties in a bunch just as often. Taylor's detractors will drag her for literally any and everything. Of course she cares, who wouldn't care being so publicly humiliated (whether or not she put her own foot in her mouth). Let's not all act like we are all perfect little souls who never held a grudge and have forever remained "unbothered" in life. We're human. Taylor has always written of her experiences in life. It is her catharsis. Idk why people expect different this go around. She is still in her twenties, still developing in an environment and structure we know nothing of. I feel she is progressing just fine personally. And Taylor's die-hard supporters will excuse her for literally any and everything.
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Post by Oprah on Aug 26, 2017 9:41:18 GMT -5
Is Taylor bothered, clearly, but to assert Kim is some shinning beacon of maturity is laughably hilarious to anyone who even remotely keeps up with her. Kim gets her panties in a bunch just as often. Yeah which is why the fact that it was KIM FUCKING KARDASHIAN that exposed Taylor just made the whole incident that much better.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 26, 2017 10:09:24 GMT -5
Is Taylor bothered, clearly, but to assert Kim is some shinning beacon of maturity is laughably hilarious to anyone who even remotely keeps up with her. Kim gets her panties in a bunch just as often. Taylor's detractors will drag her for literally any and everything. Of course she cares, who wouldn't care being so publicly humiliated (whether or not she put her own foot in her mouth). Let's not all act like we are all perfect little souls who never held a grudge and have forever remained "unbothered" in life. We're human. Taylor has always written of her experiences in life. It is her catharsis. Idk why people expect different this go around. She is still in her twenties, still developing in an environment and structure we know nothing of. I feel she is progressing just fine personally. And Taylor's die-hard supporters will excuse her for literally any and everything. Name a major pop star who doesn't have annoying blind stans.
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Post by allow that on Aug 26, 2017 10:13:19 GMT -5
... God knows the last thing any enemy of Kim K should want to do is validate her existence with attention" makes sense unless we're finally shedding all pretense and acknowledging that Taylor is just the flip side of Kim K's attention-whoring, PR-stunting coin. Taylor can claim she's over it when she's moved on to single #2...maybe. She did name her album Reputation; she clearly thinks hers was wrongfully smeared. She might not be able to truthfully claim being 'over it' till the entire era is done. @ the validation. But I mean, TS's album cover features a twin of the Life Of deleted font, what looks like a Yeezy sweater, and Kim K's signature wet hairstyle. That's a whole lot of attention thrown at her alleged nemeses. She's also forever attaching THEIR imagery to HER art, all in an attempt to manipulate the public into thinking she's the real victim. So yeah I don't think she'll be "over it" at anytime during this era, if at all.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 26, 2017 10:55:07 GMT -5
A lot of these so-called feuds are all part of the publicity game. Remember they both shared the same manager at the time of VMAs - which started the 'feud,' etc. Honestly, take away 'controversies' and a lot of musicians and actors would have zero coverage - and it's all about profile and breaking through the noise. Is that true? Seems kinda crazy to me? If so, how long did they share management? David Wirtschafter at William Morris Agency was manager for both at that time. It wasn't not a coincidence and it was completely staged. Plenty of sources confirm same management team.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 26, 2017 11:00:04 GMT -5
Is Taylor bothered, clearly, but to assert Kim is some shinning beacon of maturity is laughably hilarious to anyone who even remotely keeps up with her. Kim gets her panties in a bunch just as often. Taylor's detractors will drag her for literally any and everything. Of course she cares, who wouldn't care being so publicly humiliated (whether or not she put her own foot in her mouth). Let's not all act like we are all perfect little souls who never held a grudge and have forever remained "unbothered" in life. We're human. Taylor has always written of her experiences in life. It is her catharsis. Idk why people expect different this go around. She is still in her twenties, still developing in an environment and structure we know nothing of. I feel she is progressing just fine personally. And Taylor's die-hard supporters will excuse her for literally any and everything. Meh. Taylor has done a lot over the last few years that have personally left a bad taste in my mouth, but this idiocy of her being lambasted for being "bothered", by an event which most people in the same situation would be "bothered" by is ridiculous. This was national level humiliation, of course she was affected and bothered by it. Hell, most people here get themselves bothered by simple posts. It's not this Taylor-centric situation that's tiresome to me, but the mentality that something having any kind of negative emotional impact on someone is seen as being "weak" and why "unbothered" has become such a popular thing. How cool to be so emotionally unplugged and disconnected, but it's not in human nature. Lots of hypocrisy, but hey, we're all hypocrites at the end of the day.
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Post by dwhite725 on Aug 27, 2017 1:23:01 GMT -5
I understand as a writer/artist there is a catharsis discussing/reacting and putting it in your work. Like I said in another thread I think she should have done this as a deep cut. This song is totally about the Kimye situation. I think Taylor has great writing skills and could have a better deep cut about the situation. I just realized and I do not believe it has been mentioned in any thread or article I've read but the whole "the old Taylor is dead" is part of a phone call. That totally points to the Kimye situation. Forgive me if I'm dumb and missed that.
Again, like I just said in a thread in CHR/Pop, maybe we're the butt of the joke. We buy into it. Maybe these feuds are PR. Not like that hasn't happened before. It seems as though Taylor is the one benefiting the most though.
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Post by born on Aug 27, 2017 1:56:42 GMT -5
Guys, this is a "Blank Space" 2.0, I don't think she really means any of that, she wouldn't just "kill" the old Taylor Swift. I think she just wants all the extra hype & media talk as she always does. Let's wait for a few interviews and stuff like that, maybe she gives us a meaning/explanation of the song.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 27, 2017 7:02:36 GMT -5
Guys, this is a "Blank Space" 2.0, I don't think she really means any of that, she wouldn't just "kill" the old Taylor Swift. I think she just wants all the extra hype & media talk as she always does. Let's wait for a few interviews and stuff like that, maybe she gives us a meaning/explanation of the song. This is exactly what I am thinking. I am thinking the entire album is going to be "Blank Space" 2.0 actually. I think she is going to have fifteen songs written from the perspective of the "character" the media portrays of her (like BS). I think the songs are gonna play up her serial dating, calculating, victimized, cunning and manipulative persona.
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Post by born on Aug 27, 2017 8:11:49 GMT -5
That'd be an interesting project and it'd match the album title. However, I don't want any more songs where she writes about how others see her because that will make her look obsessed. Also, she doesn't have to be the victim all the time. I want her to do happy/emotional/sexy songs without any bad blood between her and another person. Give me a wedding dance-worthy song, an honest breakup ballad, some "life is great" bops. Give me playful & cheeky singalong anthems. That's life too.
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